Is it fractionMan's fault?

[bonathanjishop]

does the human rights act specifically mention sysops?

if it does not, perhaps you would care to reference a case where sysop privalages in an online community have been chalenged under the human rights act.

John Perry Barlow claimed in 1996 that the laws of nation states didn't apply in Cyberspace, suggesting that sysop prerogative was absolute. However it has been shown since then that law including human rights law applies online. 'Sysop prerogative' is a term I've made up, but I might write more about it if I apply to write for this book and I am successful:
http://www.igi-global.com/AuthorsEd...ontentId=a536086f-264e-46dd-87f5-821175837bd4

 

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John Perry Barlow claimed in 1996 that the laws of nation states didn't apply in Cyberspace, suggesting that sysop prerogative was absolute. However it has been shown since then that law including human rights law applies online. 'Sysop prerogative' is a term I've made up, but I might write more about it if I apply to write for this book and I am successful:
http://www.igi-global.com/AuthorsEd...ontentId=a536086f-264e-46dd-87f5-821175837bd4

so you cannot provide me with a citation of it actually being used. until you can, it is speculation

 

[Blagsta]

Well the Human Rights Act extends sysop prerogative to give sysops the right to refuse anyone membership on any grounds except where otherwise illegal. An example where the state would be able to override the decision of a sysop to exclude someone would be if a F1 site in the UK supporting Lewis Hamilton excluded someone because they were Spanish and supported Alonso, for instance.

Interestingly, if you Google "sysop prerogative", the only result you get is this thread.

 

[kabbes]

Nobody cares. Go away.

I care!

I can't believe he actually came back. It's pure grade-A masochism.

Fraction obviously got under this eejit's skin though. So much so that the idiot actually bothered to return months and months later when he thought that he might have something to catch him out on. That's good going, FM, well done on your internet winding-up skills.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Can I for one just say that JB is very welcome here and is to be encouraged to start threads on whatever he sees fit.

 

[editor]

If you look at this link:
http://www.newstatesman.com/nma/nma2004/nma2004shortlist.htm
You'll see my invention is in the Top 10 of the Innovation category

Err, no. They weren't handing out "Top 10" awards and you didn't win anything. You were merely shortlisted with a load of other people and failed miserably to win anything, and it's utterly dishonest to claim otherwise.

 

[toggle]

I care!

I can't believe he actually came back. It's pure grade-A masochism.

Fraction obviously got under this eejit's skin though. So much so that the idiot actually bothered to return months and months later when he thought that he might have something to catch him out on. That's good going, FM, well done on your internet winding-up skills.

sulks.

i shall have to try harder

 

[Proper Tidy]

The reaction to you here has been entirely based on your words and your conduct, and has nothing to do with your supposed "achievements."

Tbf, a major part of my dislike for him is that he's a Labour man who despises working class people, the massive narcissistic twat

 

[toggle]

Interestingly, if you Google "sysop prerogative", the only result you get is this thread.

it is quite interesting to look at this fro the perspective of analysing a teaching style. He is not prepared to deal with anyone who challenges any of his claims and he is not used to anyone actually reading his citations to see if they actually say something that supports his theories.

He is the sort of teacher that you can get good grades off by working out what his opinions are and parroting them back at him. unfortunately, this isn't all that uncomon. they tend to get all upset and weeble in a pile in the corner if you point out to the that one of their statements is unsupportable

 

[marty21]

just wondering if all Chartered IT professionals manage to double post on twitter several times, and not know how to delete them

http://twitter.com/jonathan_bishop?...onathan_bishop&utm_content=15508192021&ref=nf

 

[fogbat]

I'd like to refer you all to a paper I wrote earlier this year on really runny poos, and the difficulty in properly wiping them away afterwards.

Well, I say wrote. I mean smeared.

 

[quimcunx]

I have no idea what this thread is about but I like it.

 

[editor]

Seems strange that such a self-professed leading public figure in the socio-legal, info-scientific and economic solutions to issues affecting techno-cultural communities, both organic and virtual took so long to register on Twitter (8 August 2008), and that such a "Big Man" in the internet world has only managed to muster a paltry 36 followers in all that time.

It also seems a tad odd that a pioneer in educational technology and online community development has still got a broken "state of the art" homepage with a screwed up text display, months after he was told about it here. Doesn't he know anything about how important a good looking website is to one's online image?

 

[teuchter]

This chap seems to have got certain people rather wound up and suspiciously over-defensive, trying to demonstrate their superior Internet Professional statuses.

This indicates that he's onto something. I suspect there is something going on behind the scenes and will follow this story with interest.

Unfortunately I missed the 'other thread' - can someone post a link?

 

[quimcunx]

It's the Welsh Labour closing down bulletin boards something or other thread.

Although I'm not sure it will illuminate.

HTH.

 

[Proper Tidy]

just wondering if all Chartered IT professionals manage to double post on twitter several times, and not know how to delete them

http://twitter.com/jonathan_bishop?...onathan_bishop&utm_content=15508192021&ref=nf

I like the way he refers to himself in the third person...

is not voting for Ed Balls because he criticised Danny Alexander for being a member of Britain in Europe, which Jonathan was also part of

Presumably in an attempt to make the world think he has 'his people'.

 

[marty21]

I like the way he refers to himself in the third person...



Presumably in an attempt to make the world think he has 'his people'.

also, all his tweets get automatically put on his facebook page, I find that annoying and I'm sure other non Chartered IT Professionals agree with me

 

[fractionMan]

wtf.



eta: no it's nothing to do with me or anything I work on.

 

[fractionMan]

Actually, I was hoping fractionMan would respond, as on another thread he said that part of his job was implimenting Shib networks. Of course, I wanted to use the difficulty other researchers and I have experienced to tease him about his claimed expertise, but I did actually want to know what the recent problems were caused by, and would expect him to know.

This would be a question for the university of wales, who manage their own access and identity infrastructure.

How about you email them? They might be better placed than someone half way across the country with no access to their systems. Just a thought like.

 

[marty21]

wtf.



eta: no it's nothing to do with me or anything I work on.

it's your fault - blates

how could you argue with a Chartered IT Professional ?


you numpty

 

[kabbes]

You are responsible for the IT in the whole of Wales, you fucker. And if this problem starts bleeding across the Severn, we'll all know who to blame.

 

[fractionMan]

p.s.

you're fucking nuts.

 

[marty21]

I can't understand the lack of respect towards a Chartered IT Professional

we should be ashamed

 

[kabbes]

Which is the chartered profession, incidentally, that creates the chartered IT professional? When did it get its charter?

Speaking as a member of a profession that got its charter 175 years ago, this all seems frightfully modern.

 

[fractionMan]

Which is the chartered profession, incidentally, that creates the chartered IT professional? When did it get its charter?

Speaking as a member of a profession that got its charter 175 years ago, this all seems frightfully modern.

the british computer society.

It's pointless though and nobody bothers, except the terminally vain.

 

[kabbes]

What exams do you have to pass to become the chartered professional?

 

[editor]

the british computer society.

It's pointless though and nobody bothers, except the terminally vain.

I'd never even heard of it before Bishop started trumpeting it around here.

 

[fractionMan]

What exams do you have to pass to become the chartered professional?

you have to have 5 years experience (10 without a degree) and pass a numpty "Breadth of knowledge" multiple choice exam.

http://www.bcs.org/server.php?show=nav.10981

 

[Fruitloop]

Wow, that would be ..... totally pointless.

 

[kabbes]

you have to have 5 years experience (10 without a degree) and pass a numpty "Breadth of knowledge" multiple choice exam.

http://www.bcs.org/server.php?show=nav.10981

Fuck me. That's it? No series of exams that take years' worth of hard slog? Just hang around long enough and pass a single multiple choice exam. Brilliant. Well worth waving THAT bit of paper in peoples' faces.