Is it fractionMan's fault?

[el-ahrairah]

I believe everyone should be equal before the law, and that sovereignty should lie with the people. Ideally we would have no government, just communities which are self-sufficient and self-regulating.



The only national state institutions we need are the NHS and HMRC. The purpose of the state should be to collect tax and redistribute in order to provide universal provision of basic needs. So, you should be able to every two years walk into any opticians and get a free sight-test, and free prescription glasses up-to a certain value, which you can upgrade. It shouldn't matter how wealthy you are, as the current system where this is only available to the poor keeps people in poverty.




I am pro-business, I think everyone should own one, or part of one. As for the church, I am an agnostic who takes part in Christian culture. I think religion can give people a disciplined lifestyle with opportunities for thought and social engagement, therefore improving health, but all are man-made and not to be taken as 'the truth', which is inaccessible with current science.



I'm an egalitarian. I believe everyone should have as much wealth as they are capable of using. So, I disagree with the existence of wealthy people with millions in the bank which they are not using. That money should be in the economy, developing new products, creating new jobs. If they are not using it, they obviously have more than they need, so more needy people should have it.

So why the fuck are you Labour then when you don't share any of their values or aims, or those of their funders who have more say in party direction that any member? Cognitive dissonance much?

 

[toggle]

It would have to be phenomenally busy to have any significant impact on bandwidth, and would require a committed hardcore of hundreds - if not thousands - of regular users.

That's why I know Jonathan is bullshitting here.

pretty much what i thought.

 

[bonathanjishop]

So why the fuck are you Labour then when you don't share any of their values or aims, or those of their funders who have more say in party direction that any member? Cognitive dissonance much?

The Labour Party's aim is:

The Labour Party is a democratic socialist party. It
believes that by the strength of our common
endeavour we achieve more than we achieve alone,
so as to create for each of us the means to realise
our true potential and for all of us a community in
which power, wealth and opportunity are in the hands
of the many not the few; where the rights we enjoy
reflect the duties we owe and where we live together
freely, in a spirit of solidarity, tolerance and respect.

One of their objectives is:

A DYNAMIC ECONOMY, serving the public interest, in which the enterprise of the market and the rigour of competition are joined with the forces of partnership and co-operation to produce the wealth the nation needs and the opportunity for all to work and prosper with a thriving private sector and high-quality public services where those undertakings essential to the common good are either owned by the public or accountable to them

I think its most of the other members that would be experiencing cognitive dissonance if they actually read the party's constitution.

 

[Frankie Jack]

Bearing in mind that he elected to come back here purely to have a go at another poster and now seems unable to do anything other than bullshit, what do you suggest we do?

Ban him? I can't imagine him acting any different in any other thread he may post on, so the 'discomfort' is unlikely to go away.

Wasn't asking you to ban him ++++.. Just suggested that the thread be closed.. Mebbe its just me but having followed the thread and the other one from the start I feel as though this lad aint quite the full shilling.. Jeez there are many in power similar with a one track point of view.. Half the cabinet of the gubmnt are kinda similar in their fuckwittery.. How d'ya think twats get into power.. fuckwits that just appear in politics that we've seen so many times before.. Eejits that are doing what they can to be noticed like this twunt is.. Close him down.. he's using the site to get his search up..

He's just as daft as another so called Scottish political poster that I'm not gonna give his name a google search..

 

[phildwyer]

Stop wriggling about and answer the question. Exactly how many people were using this bandwidth guzzling chatroom on average per hour - and why can't I even find it on the web archive?

Who cares?

What I'm seeing here is JB responding in a calm and polite manner to some pretty aggressive and pointless attacks on him, which are being backed up by a fairly unpleasant chorus of sycophants.

 

[el-ahrairah]

The Labour Party's aim is:



One of their objectives is:


I think its most of the other members that would be experiencing cognitive dissonance if they actually read the party's constitution.

So what you're saying is that you support Labour's pro-big business stance whilst being in favour of small businesses that can't compete with the likes of Labour major funders?

 

[el-ahrairah]

Who cares?

What I'm seeing here is JB responding in a calm and polite manner to some pretty aggressive and pointless attacks on him, which are being backed up by a fairly unpleasant chorus of sycophants.

oh god phil, not the monothought clique argument. truly you let down the ranks of the white knights, defending the honour of liars and deluded fantasists everywhere. they never use that argument.

 

[editor]

Who cares?

What I'm seeing here is JB responding in a calm and polite manner to some pretty aggressive and pointless attacks on him, which are being backed up by a fairly unpleasant chorus of sycophants.

Actually, he started this thread with an attack on another named poster, in direct contravention of the rules here.

He then went on to try and bullshit everyone with a stream of nonsense telling everyone how brilliant he is and how he knows better than anyone else, so I'm not surprised some people got a little exasperated with his wriggling, disingenuous conduct.

I said I'd ignore him from now on, but was promptly informed that such a course of action "was a form of abuse" related to children. Or something.

Anyway, it's clear you're only trying to stir up trouble anyway, so I'll leave you to it and I'm afraid Jonathan's "abuse" will have to continue as I'm fed up trying to get the truth out of him.

 

[teuchter]

Perhaps an independent arbiter would be a constructive way forward with this?

JB could present the evidence for why he is a leading figure in various fields, and then others could present evidence for why they are, in fact, more leading than him. Then we would be able to look at this objectively and identify who is leading in which fields and to what extent.

 

[editor]

Perhaps an independent arbiter would be a constructive way forward with this?

Perhaps you could just stop stirring instead?

 

[phildwyer]

You'll all be sorry when he's PM.

 

[bonathanjishop]

So what you're saying is that you support Labour's pro-big business stance whilst being in favour of small businesses that can't compete with the likes of Labour major funders?

Most people in the Labour Party were quite happy when my brother lost his shares in Northern Rock when it was nationalised, further back many were pleased when a relative of my brother-in-law lost his shares in Railtrack when it was de facto-nationalised. That doesn't sound like Labour are very Pro-business and signed-up to their constitution's commitment to have a thriving private sector where 'emanations of the state' are owned by the public. I'm no state socialist, but most people in the Labour Party are, despite the reforms Tony Blair made.

If you were to read my LLM dissertation on the e-learning industry, you would see that I'm in favour of a European Union of small businesses each with their specialised offerings. Big business is not really big business if the only market it serves is the UK, or its offerings are in fragmented markets across the union. So as someone going into mobile phone application development, I'd like to see Big Mobile Phone Businesses across the EU, where for example, a call made on Vodafone in one member state to another costs the same as if it was in the same member state. It shouldn't matter which member state you got your contract in, you should be able to use it in any other at the same cost, in my opinion.

 

[kabbes]

You like writing your little essays, eh? Teaching the rest of us what's what? Good fellow. Make sure you file them all safely and I'm sure I'll get to them at some point.

 

[teuchter]

Well, this thread still isn't showing up in google results, unlike his own website, so it seems that Jonathan Bishop knows what he is doing as far as search engine optimisation is concerned.

 

[editor]

Well, this thread still isn't showing up in google results, unlike his own website, so it seems that Jonathan Bishop knows what he is doing as far as search engine optimisation is concerned.

Stop stirring please.

 

[teuchter]

It's a simple statement of fact.

 

[editor]

It's a simple statement of fact.

You're not really up to speed here, are you?

He arrived here after vanity searching the obscure term: "Jonathan Bishop Labour Ponty Town" and finding urban75.

Now, thanks to his sterling efforts here, he can be swiftly found as a top three result for "Jonathan Bishop Labour".

Or do you think it was all part of a cunning plan to make it easier for people to find examples of him making an arse of himself and being slagged off by members of a large online community?

 

[teuchter]

He is indeed in the top results for those searches, but presumably this was the case before he posted on U75 as it was conducting those searches that led him here in the first place.

"Jonathan Bishop" - no U75 on first 5 pages of google

"Jonathan Bishop Councillor" - no u75 on first 3 pages of google

"Jonathan Bishop Pontypridd" - no U75 on first page of google

My feeling is that the might of U75 google search status is yet to bring him down. However, perhaps if people continue this pantomime thread long enough, it will catch up with him. I don't know - I'm not a chartered IT professional.

 

[jonnyd1978]

This thread makes many look like cunts.

 

[editor]

This thread makes many look like cunts.

Welcome to the club.

 

[ddraig]

what's the fucking problem??
JB could just back down and stop all the bollocks grandstanding

 

[fractionMan]

To be fair, this thread needs to be seen in context of the other, more epic one. The one that riled him enough to return here and call me out.

 

[claphamboy]

You can cite my blog if you wish for now:
http://jonathanbishop.com/index.php/403/sysop-prerogative/

Comments are moderated.

 

[claphamboy]

a legend in his own lifetime bathtime

Slight correction for you.

 

[claphamboy]

You'll all be sorry when he's PM.