Is it fractionMan's fault?

[editor]

It was the Llantrisant Town Trust, who commissioned the site. You can read the full report in my degree dissertation:
http://www.jonathanbishop.com/Library/Documents/EN/docCs311Report.pdf

All this ludicrous waffle for a fucking tiny website that flopped hopelessly. I actually feel sorry for the poor sods who had to deal with you.

Funny how there's no mention of these 'high bandwidth charges' too.

24/09/2001
Jonathan Bishop reported that he had completed the background reading to the project. He
also reported that the Task Analysis had been put on the web, but was not active due to the
effects of the Nimda worm on the university server.

01/10/2001
Jonathan Bishop reported that the research had been put on an external server due to the
continued problems with the University server.

15/10/2001
Jonathan Bishop reported that he was having problems with the new host of the site and this
issue was being looked into.

13/11/2001
Jonathan Bishop reported that the project was stalled due to problems with the hard disk on
his laptop. This issue was being dealt with.

17/12/2001
Jonathan Bishop reported that progress was being made on the implementation with the
project. He indicated that there were many technical issues that needed to be addressed,
particularly with the use of HTML tables in order to make the site work with all Web
Browsers.

25/02/2002
Jonathan Bishop reported that the Alpha Testing phase was completed and all evaluators had
submitted their reports. He also reported that the server problems continued, but these were
being looked at.

08/03/2002
Jonathan Bishop reported that the Beta Testing had commenced. He reported that informed
the participants of the Task Analysis and the User Interaction Study that the prototype was
live.

18/04/2002
Jonathan Bishop reported that the Beta testing had been completed and the observations and
data from the prototype were being looked at.

How much did they pay you for this webastrophe, btw?

 

[bonathanjishop]

How much did they pay you for this webastrophe, btw?

I didn't get paid by them for the development of Llantrisant Online (which wasn't a 'webastrophe' BTW) - I was working at Broadway Studios at the time and the project was part of my degree. But I paid the hosting charges and they reimbursed me. When I sent them a bill for £140 as per our agreement they refused to pay it! What was I supposed to do but cut my losses. I followed Derek Powazek's guidelines for closing a community as you can see from the Internet archives.

 

[meurig]

tbh you need to be taken to court by them for fraud then...

That's a bit strong Garf - how exactly did he defraud them?

OTH I'm beginning to think it wouldn't be so bad if Treforest Poly were to feel the brunt of Higher Education Cuts.

 

[editor]

I didn't get paid by them for the development of Llantrisant Online (which wasn't a 'webastrophe' BTW) - I was working at Broadway Studios at the time and the project was part of my degree. But I paid the hosting charges and they reimbursed me. When I sent them a bill for £140 as per our agreement they refused to pay it! What was I supposed to do but cut my losses. I followed Derek Powazek's guidelines for closing a community as you can see from the Internet archives.

So it was such a disaster, they refused to pay you. That certainly looks like a total webastrophe to me: it was all talk and no action from you. And no users. And - time to be honest now, please - no busy, bustling, bandwidth-crushing chatroom either.

I followed Derek Powazek's guidelines for closing a community as you can see from the Internet archives.

Does Derek Powazek (whoever he is) recommended automatically redirecting users to the designers unrelated personal site?

 

[toggle]

So it was such a disaster, they refused to pay you. That certainly looks like a total webastrophe to me: all talk and no action. And no users. And - time to be honest now, please - no busy, bustling, bandwidth-crushing chatroom either.
Does Derek Powazek (whoever he is) recommended automatically redirecting users to the designers unrelated personal site?

how busy would a chatroom have to be to eat significant bandwidth? from what i've been told, that woudln't be a significant cost.

 

[goldenecitrone]

I believe everyone should be equal before the law, and that sovereignty should lie with the people. Ideally we would have no government, just communities which are self-sufficient and self-regulating.

But what about the poor sods that end up in your community? With no escape from your self-regulating? Poor buggers.

 

[editor]

how busy would a chatroom have to be to eat significant bandwidth? from what i've been told, that woudln't be a significant cost.

It would have to be phenomenally busy to have any significant impact on bandwidth, and would require a committed hardcore of hundreds - if not thousands - of regular users.

That's why I know Jonathan is bullshitting here.

 

[rollinder]

That's a load of fookin' shite. Mind you, seeing as you've never run a busy, successful bulletin board it's no surprise to see you haven't got a fucking clue about them.

I've also no idea why you're referencing an unrelated book that is nearly a decade old.

he's spamming his amazon associate link (the jonathanbishop-21 bit) in the hope one of us will buy something and give him some monney.

 

[bonathanjishop]

It would have to be phenomenally busy to have any significant impact on bandwidth, and would require a committed hardcore of hundreds - if not thousands - of regular users.

The chatroom was written in HTML using the 'Refresh' command - that is why.

 

[fractionMan]

*bites tongue*

 

[marty21]

The site had 99 users within the first 10 weeks of launching. I don't have any page impression data, but you must remember re: the bandwidth - this was 2000-2003 and the sponsor was a small charity and I wasn't exactly rich either.

99 users in 10 weeks!!!

cheesus, that must have been the busiest site in whole of the internets!

 

[kabbes]

It's numbers like that that make you one of the top 0.001% people in the world.

 

[kabbes]

Assuming that the numbers are distributed as evenly as surely they must be in such a scientifically rigorous study, I'm curious to know who the other 499 UK residents were in that top 50,000 people. I'm thinking possibly Cheryl Cole? And also there's this guy Keith and my work who's quite good at getting new clients in.

 

[editor]

The chatroom was written in HTML using the 'Refresh' command - that is why.

Really. So, on average, how many users were on this unbelievably busy, bandwidth-chomping HTML chat room every hour of the day and how come none of them elected to post on your tumbleweed-strewn, webastophic bulletin boards?

Oh, I ran a HTML chat room for a while. And that's why I know that you're still bullshitting.

 

[teuchter]

Jonathan Bishop is starting to win the argument here, I think. It seems that the case against him is based almost entirely on pedantic niggling about how many users his site from nearly ten years ago had. Who cares about that? He is responding in a calm and reasoned way to all the questions being put to him. I for one welcome our new poster, jonathanbishop.

 

[kabbes]

Gawd bless yer, teuchter. Gawd bless yer.

 

[marty21]

Gawd bless yer, teuchter. Gawd bless yer.

that post probably put him in the top 50000 imo

 

[editor]

Curiously, there appears to be no link to this bustling, bandwidth-guzzling chat room from the front page. I wonder how all these hundreds of users managed to find it as they stampeded to join the scintillating conversation.

 

[fractionMan]

I'd just like to point out that none of this is my fault, ok?

 

[kabbes]

I'd just like to point out that none of this is my fault, ok?

To be honest, it's amazing that such a blatant call-out thread has managed to survive for 350 posts.

 

[editor]

I'd just like to point out that none of this is my fault, ok?

Indeed, It's all JB's doing, and if he insists on endless braying on about his "achievements" from the past, then posters have every right to question their credibility and truthfulness.

He's really not doing very well at the moment - and he's only got himself to blame!

 

[bonathanjishop]

Oh, I ran a HTML chat room for a while. And that's why I know that you're still bullshitting.

Well now I can get 30GB of bandwith for £25, but back then you couldn't get much. Add on top of that UK2.net's domain fees and DNS charges, you're talking more money than a charity with low income can afford. Your perceptions of high cost and theirs is clearly different.

 

[marty21]

I'd just like to point out that none of this is my fault, ok?

the evidence is mounting up

 

[fractionMan]

To be honest, it's amazing that such a blatant call-out thread has managed to survive for 350 posts.

even my call out threads are epic*



*sample size: 1

 

[quimcunx]

I'd just like to point out that none of this is my fault, ok?

au contraire mon frère. I think you'll find the evidence is stacking up against you.

 

[editor]

Well now I can get 30GB of bandwith for £25, but back then you couldn't get much. Add on top of that UK2.net's domain fees and DNS charges, you're talking more money than a charity with low income can afford. Your perceptions of high cost and theirs is clearly different.

Stop wriggling about and answer the question. Exactly how many people were using this bandwidth guzzling chatroom on average per hour - and why can't I even find it on the web archive?

As for cost, there was ample free/very low cost web space available back in 2002. I was writing for Internet Magazine at the time and we did several features on it, you hopeless, bullshitting plonker.

 

[Frankie Jack]

I get a feeling that jb is ... someone who may have a higher form of mental ability/disability..

Instead of being an opponent of this man Ed.. Have a think eh.. Doesnt read to me like all his bases are covered... yet he has a direction that he focuses on..

And I've not seen any antagonism from him..

Just answers that he was capable of giving..

I don't think he can see the other aspects of what he'd doing.. yet he is doing something.. and in all seriousness there is no real harm so far.. Consider that you just may be not suffering an asperger..

This ills has depths not yet uncoverd..

Close the thread and let it go please ++++.. I think it's a very uncomfortable thread for reasons I can't quite put my finger on...........

 

[editor]

I get a feeling that jb is ... someone who may have a higher form of mental ability/disability..

Instead of being an opponent of this man Ed.. Have a think eh.. Doesnt read to me like all his bases are covered... yet he has a direction that he focuses on..

And I've not seen any antagonism from him..

Just answers that he was capable of giving..

I don't think he can see the other aspects of what he'd doing.. yet he is doing something.. and in all seriousness there is no real harm so far.. Consider that you just may be not suffering an asperger..

This ills has depths not yet uncoverd..

Close the thread and let it go please ++++.. I think it's a very uncomfortable thread for reasons I can't quite put my finger on...........

Bearing in mind that he elected to come back here purely to have a go at another poster and now seems unable to do anything other than bullshit, what do you suggest we do?

Ban him? I can't imagine him acting any different in any other thread he may post on, so the 'discomfort' is unlikely to go away.

 

[kabbes]

We all know that he's talking arse though, Ed. All of us. It doesn't require you to do anything more to prove it. It's palpably obvious from the first thread and the 350+ posts in this thread. At this point, you really could afford to just not bother to respond to him again. If the rest of us do likewise, it'll just die.

 

[editor]

We all know that he's talking arse though, Ed. All of us. It doesn't require you to do anything more to prove it. It's palpably obvious from the first thread and the 350+ posts in this thread. At this point, you really could afford to just not bother to respond to him again. If the rest of us do likewise, it'll just die.

It's clearly pointless trying to debate anything with him because he's clearly not here for a discussion, but to just repeat himself regardless of the truthfulness of his claims or the facts. So I'll do my best to ignore him.