Is Elon Musk the greatest visionary or the greatest snake oil salesman of our age?
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moochedit
I'm not feeding seagulls
Yeah exactly but just like trump, musk wants to be the center of attention.
Cloo
Banana for scale
It is ridiculous that Musk is frantically tweeting like some kid in his mum's basement whereas if he actually gave a shit about any of the stuff he berates others about he is literally THE RICHEST MAN IN THE WORLD and can easily afford to to fucking go out and fix it. But of course he doesn't actually want to.
I read the other day that the $220m he spent supporting trump is literally the equivalent of an average American earner spending $37. Dunno if true, but if it is, gives you an idea of scale.
I read the other day that the $220m he spent supporting trump is literally the equivalent of an average American earner spending $37. Dunno if true, but if it is, gives you an idea of scale.
ska invita
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The big question is what does he really give a shit about. What are his motives.
Either he literally has regressed to a 4chan teenage state of mind OR more likely to me is he knows what he is doing to some extent and feels he is advancing a bigger political project. It was barely a month ago that he announced to the word from a stage that he was DARK MAGA - basically an open fascist.
The press dont know how to report this kind of thing...they tend to pretend it didnt happen.
Is he genuinely DARK MAGA? Who knows.
Maybe he thinks he can push things generally into a vicious "anti-woke" direction by pouring poison into the pot...maybe he wholeheartedly genuinely believes this shit he comes out with. Its so hard to tell.
danny la rouge
I have a cheese grater in the dishwasher.
Is that real?
ska invita
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yesIs that real?
danny la rouge
I have a cheese grater in the dishwasher.
Miss Evangelina from the Library in Doctor Who.
tommers
It was... Rebekah Vardy's account
Can I update my Celebrity Dead Pool nominations please?
ska invita
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The going for Starmer thing is really "interesting."
They see him as a "socialist" and obviously that needs nipping in the bud.
The Tories had a Sell Off The UK trade deal with Trump written up by Liam Fox ready to go just before BJ got binned. Unfinished business. Starmer isnt BJ tbf.
There is a special relationship that they're going to need to have some awkward dealings on.
Maybe part of the Trump/Musk deal is that Musk is in charge of shitposting and altright culture spreading, shifting the dial ever rightward, while Trump mops up the political impacts to his advantage?
They see him as a "socialist" and obviously that needs nipping in the bud.
The Tories had a Sell Off The UK trade deal with Trump written up by Liam Fox ready to go just before BJ got binned. Unfinished business. Starmer isnt BJ tbf.
There is a special relationship that they're going to need to have some awkward dealings on.
Maybe part of the Trump/Musk deal is that Musk is in charge of shitposting and altright culture spreading, shifting the dial ever rightward, while Trump mops up the political impacts to his advantage?
DownwardDog
Riding a Brompton with a power meter.
Free Luigi. There is yet work for him to do.
ska invita
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I think thats too simplistic. You dont go FREE TOMMY ROBINSON just for attention. He's got ideas whirling around his head for sure
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danny la rouge
I have a cheese grater in the dishwasher.
Oh he’s got ideas. Just not a plan.
ska invita
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For someone without a plan he's doing pretty well for himself
danny la rouge
I have a cheese grater in the dishwasher.
Yeah, but the idea that he offered money to Farage then fell out with him as part of some diabolical scheme he’d thought through is bollocks. He’s a far right brat with his own social media platform throwing strops in real time.
Like when he called that submarine guy a pedo then had to hire lawyers to argue that was just South African bantz and not an accusation in his culture.
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
yeah - hes like shit batman villain - a considerably less smart version of the joker. Sees himself as some sort of "chaos agent" - ultimately its all about having the attention. Like trump - he is emotionally/pychologically retarted - with the lack of filters, impulse control and empathic abilities similar to what youd see in a toddler or a particularly out fo control adolescent. But hes also the richest man in the world who wants to play with his power and money and play to the gallery of anybody who will clap him along - which happens to be all the demented edgelords and embttiered incels of social media. hes nor like murdoch or the rest of the super rich and powerful - doesnt seem to be any coherent strategy for building power and wealth- or a really coeherent ideology - Its all about looking for immdediate self validation. Cocaine? ADHD? A life time of prvilige and having whatever you want whenever you want it? all of the above?
ultimately youd think its utterly self destructive - but the damage he does and could do is still significent.
not least using his global social media channel to promote inflamatory far right bullshit and falsehood .
In the UK he has helped massively boost the far right "grooming gangs" trope - to point it is no longer a fringe POV - but a major toxic battle line where the truth of the situation is buried underneath a narrative of conspiracy, and cover up to be laid at the door at Starmer, the mainstream media and the rest of the trecherous "woke elite".
surely its time to change the original thread title - as i dont think anyone outside of the fash/techbro/mano-sphere would now argue hes some sort of visionary - more a case of debating exactly what sort of massive shitcunt we are dealing wit.
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ska invita
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I get that he loves attention but I can't get on board with him not having a personal political drive and just playing to a random gallery who happen to be edgelords. There's are other bigger galleries
tommers
It was... Rebekah Vardy's account
Yeah he's a right wing nutjob completely disassociated from any consequences for his actions, or reality.
I think he believes what he's saying and loves that they were talking about him on the BBC news last night. Now he's got access to the US govt he's gone proper batshit.
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
Like trump - or the far right/conpsiricay world generally - I dont think he has any sort of coherent poltical narrative - just a collection of grudges and bigotries and resenments against those that are "against him" (interffeering govenments who want to clip his wings and make him pay tax, women, liberals and leftists - anyone who criticies or takes the piss out him) . His power and wealth enable him to inulge his caprice and obsessions. How does he see himself? A visonary, an exceptional individual with a midas touch for whom the normals rules dont apply. A super intelligent, charismatic prophet re-shaping the world whilst having hilarious bantz with his fans along the way. A creative disrupter blowing away the "establishment" in order release the inherent genius of humanity/Elon Musk.
Cloo
Banana for scale
I think it's partly he really believes that because he is the richest person in the world he is the smartest person in the world so he needs people in charge who understand that and defer to him. I think he's basically said he thinks that autistic high intelligence people ought to be in charge of everything because they know best.
Apparently it was his daughter transitioning that really sent him off the rails. I had heard he selected for boys when impregnating women (I won't call it fathering children) and wasn't sure it was true but have just now seen all his other 11 kids are male. So yes, he has been selecting boys because he thinks they are worth more than girls and because presumably he sees it as proof of his virility. So no wonder he was fuming when his daughter turned down the amazing privilege of being male
Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
may all these scum devour each other.
Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
this thread title is fucking stupid can we change it please.
How about 'Dumb Cunt Musk Does Dumb Shit Again' or something.
How about 'Dumb Cunt Musk Does Dumb Shit Again' or something.
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
Something along those lines... tim?
BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
Another issue is the lack of shared narrative. Even if the mainstream newspapers and media report on him, his demise, his lunacy, etc, well the world doesn't really work inside such narratives any more. In the age of say 10 newsapers, we would all read the same shit, and then put it down again, and process it, and discuss it, and it would be part of a kind of collective conciousness, for better or worse.
a good example of this is: we all used to gather around the fire, then we gathered round a radio, then we gathered, around the TV, now we each have our own device and our own infinite source of news and entertainment and stare into for hours and hours. So in my reality Musk falls and is disgraced, but that's just one person, one feed, in another feed he is another thing. But if it was just 10 newspapers kicking the shit out of him, then that would seep far more deeply into the collective conciousness.
There's no such thing as a total and utter collapse of someone any more (see Brand, for example, see Trump, for example, etc). As for Musk, It would be hard if not impossible for him to shut the fuck up/disappear/be ashamed to be in public. He'll just tap into new digital ecosystems.
This was being forcast by french philosophers decades ago. Baudrillard said it will become one giant system of exchange, not for anything real, i.e. IRL, but for itself - the internet runs largely on more internet. So an image exchanged for an image, over and over and over. And this to me partly explains the power of someone like Musk and the horrendous stickability of what are essentially modern day grotesques.
as i say, for better and worse. it's just the new landscape, nothing to be done about it, certainly cannot be reversed.
a good example of this is: we all used to gather around the fire, then we gathered round a radio, then we gathered, around the TV, now we each have our own device and our own infinite source of news and entertainment and stare into for hours and hours. So in my reality Musk falls and is disgraced, but that's just one person, one feed, in another feed he is another thing. But if it was just 10 newspapers kicking the shit out of him, then that would seep far more deeply into the collective conciousness.
There's no such thing as a total and utter collapse of someone any more (see Brand, for example, see Trump, for example, etc). As for Musk, It would be hard if not impossible for him to shut the fuck up/disappear/be ashamed to be in public. He'll just tap into new digital ecosystems.
This was being forcast by french philosophers decades ago. Baudrillard said it will become one giant system of exchange, not for anything real, i.e. IRL, but for itself - the internet runs largely on more internet. So an image exchanged for an image, over and over and over. And this to me partly explains the power of someone like Musk and the horrendous stickability of what are essentially modern day grotesques.
as i say, for better and worse. it's just the new landscape, nothing to be done about it, certainly cannot be reversed.
ska invita
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yes and well thats the problem, the richest man in history at the heart of government of the biggest and most powerful empire in history. And he definitely wants to disrupt - which he is doing effectively. This is not just grandstanding for likes.
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BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
He probably genuienly cares more about Mars than earth.
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