Is Elon Musk the greatest visionary or the greatest snake oil salesman of our age?
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Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
I get annoyed by Gates too. He's a little lower profile now, except as someone the right blames for everything. I do see him pop up on my feed with offers to take a subscription to his blogs. Like a lot of billionaires, they mistake the ability to make money for some kind of wisdom the rest of us should follow. It ain't so.
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
Thesaint
Active Member
His company 20 years ago was embroiled in all sorts of illegal and unethical anti competitive practices, yet today all seems forgotten, so struck me as a far bigger villain of the corporate world of tech than Musk.
Even wierder is critisising Gates is right wing it seems, yet not critisising Musk is right wing
I suspect they have opinions on all sorts of things but the difference to anyone on place like here is those opinions get reported on and circulated.
Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
There's been all sorts of books written and movies made about his unethical practices. I doubt if Urban can offer anything new.
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I stayed away from this thread for 2 days, to save myself from being on every 4th reply for about 8 pages, "me me me me me me" yadadada.
Yeah I am right wing - I've always been honest about that. I ONLY consider myself right wing because if you put a gun to my head and force me to choose between Labour and the Tories, I'd pick the tories. That doesn't mean I'd actually want to vote for them.
I suspect that I'm being hounded here simply because I'm being objective about Musk. There's things that he's done in the past that are plain dumb, there's other things he's done that are quite good.
There's also a matter of perspective. If Musk is a bad person, then a tell you what, when it comes to being evil, he hasn't got anything on Bill Gates. That's the fucker everyone really wants to be wary of.
Yossarian
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This thread's been around since 2017 but 150 of its 200 pages are from after Musk announced his intention to buy Twitter around a year ago, we'd probably be seeing more on Gates if he'd beclowned himself with a disastrous purchase of a social media company he'd been posting a lot of dodgy shit on.
You know Musk obeyed Turkey and withdrew the ability of Turkish based Twitter users to criticises the government
Musk is all about free speech as long as he’s the one being listened to
Under Elon Musk, Twitter has approved 83% of censorship requests by authoritarian governments
The social network has restricted and withdrawn content critical of the ruling parties in Turkey and India, among other countries, including during electoral campaignsenglish.elpais.com
“I’m going to take Twitter out of Europe because they asked me to stop lying and spreading antisemitism and moderate my platform”
Vs
“Yes sir Mr Erdogan, we can’t have people criticising your government and Twitter will do what you ask”
People here (not neccessarily you) seem to think that I believe Musk will decentralise twitter. I don't know if he will.
I'm saying that he will be eventually forced to, in order to keep it going.
If he doesn't decentralise it, it's going to fail. If I had the money, I wouldn't have bought it for that reason alone.
Either people here are trying to mispresent my views or they simply haven't read what I've been posting on this forum for the past months.
I don't trust people to make moderating decisions, it doesn't matter who they are, they have their own interests, the powers that be know who they are, then they have a targer to go after to get what they want.
Musk could be the biggest champion of free speech mankind has ever known, but to place our faith in him would be a huge mistake because good people can be got at and the tide of fortune changes against us normal people.
If I put a gun to your head it wouldn’t be to ask you daft questions
It's as if they're two completely different people.Even wierder is critisising Gates is right wing it seems, yet not critisising Musk is right wing
Yossarian
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I don't think it works anymore but there's been a 'Punch Bill Gates' page on this site since the turn of the century
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
You literally said:
Which on a plain reading clearly says that you believe he is currently in the process of decentralising Twitter. A proposition for which you provided no evidence whatsoever.
You have to put a gun to his head apparently
When he walked into twitter, most the right was muffled in favour of the left. The right could say what it wanted, but not that real damaging stuff ... oh like the Hunter Biden laptop story.
Do you think it was right people were banned from even discussing that?
You only believe he's racist, transphobic and all the rest of it, because he's not activally pushing ALL of the narratives you want him to push, while muting the right and generally doing everything possible to get people you like elected.
Musk is an American citizen. Rightly or wrongly, he believes that everyone should have free speech and he's said where the boundaries are ... it's national law ... but even then, there are clear rules about spreading hatred against protected characteristics, including race, sexuality and gender.
Also, you seem to want people to be banned from social media for what they have said or done away from social media. That's not how social media should be done. Twitter, facebook etc, are content platforms, it's not their place to ban people based on who they are.
Obviously if a criminal has been abusing social media as part of their real world crimes and a government wants them taken off social media for the wider good - for example to protect people from a sexual predator, then of course that's a different matter.
I could re-double my efforts to become a billionaire. Doesn't mean I'll be one.
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
Yes, but you would still be making the effort regardless of whether you're successful or not. There's no evidence of any effort on Musk's part to decentralise Twitter.
I've never emplied that Musk controlling twitter is a great thing. It's certaintly better than the old crowd who were letting the FBI run the thing for the benefit of the Democrats.
Then it won't survive in the long run. You're rather binary about all of this. It's Musk we're talking about. Not Marmite.
Anyone can go broke tomorrow. It's a fair comment for people to make that he's a business genius, especially when he became the richest man in the world.
I would say Gates these days is better at business even if he worth less than Musk. Musk has more chance of fucking up and going broke than Gates has, because Gates is well diversified.
However, Gates is waaaay more dodgy than Musk by a country mile. I can see myself really, really hating Gates, he really doesn't have humanities' best interests at heart.
Thesaint
Active Member
A big difference is Gates has already earned all his money and retired so isn't grabbing more, but now uses his wealth through his foundation and is now dabbling in the murky world of global organizations like the WHO.
The same happened with Soros who once forced the UK out of the ERM so was villain no1, but now is all fluffy and nice he has a foundation too.
Musk needs to retire and start using his wealth if he wants a rest from critics
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
There's a flat on the market now you might like Phillip Schofield sells £1.2m London apartment he bought with wife
Thesaint
Active Member
He better sell quick incase the market collapses early nineties style.
Plus this is an on theme post, as Elon has predicted such a collapse too
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
Musk needs to retire and start using his wealth if he wants a rest from critics
maybe not coming across like an angry divorce dad would be a better option
dude wants attention amazed people are surprised he gets a reaction
on the other side Gates never had hordes of right wing fan boi's defending his every action like he is a genius
*shrugs
its fun arguing with them
What conspiraloon thing are you thinking Bill Gates is up to?
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
he installed us all with chips that track our movements of course
tbf gates is a life long republican and a serial womaniser who fucked over people in business deals
but on the other side he thinks trumps is a cunt and does not cosey up to the alt right
so clearly worse than elon
he installed us all with chips that track our movements of course
tbf gates is a life long republican and a serial womaniser who fucked over people in business deals
but on the other side he thinks trumps is a cunt and does not cosey up to the alt right
so clearly worse than elon
Its going to be something mad about vaccines or the like.
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