US drops plan to elect Iraqi advisory council
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Greek lawyers to sue Blair for war crimes
Source:http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/jun2003/grce-j02.shtml
Doesn't it WR. Lets hope they get him banged up, along with his British and Spanish accomplaces, as soon as possible, that way the world will be a much safer place for us all to inhabit. [Some hope!]
Though I hold no brief for George Galloway, he was, nonetheless, right when he described Blair and his accomplaces as wolf's. Amazing how that Daily Telegraph newshound managed to fall over that box file wasn't it?
I don't know if you listen to BBC 5 live at all WR, but if you had been listening yesterday morning you would have heard Victoria Derbyshire announce that 82% of those voting through their text messaging sevice thought that Blair was a liar and then immediately tag on to the end of this highly pertinent information two messages from listeners supporting Blairs position, with a third jokingly rubbishing all politicians! Of course Nicky Cambell was ready and primed to deliver his own star billing two penneth of unadulterated drivel, which, as it turned out, was the signal for the whole studio to begin their collective guffaw. In this way a very salient fact was deminished in the ear of the listener!!
This is what we are reduced to. The message is the lie and the lie is the message.
Though I hold no brief for George Galloway, he was, nonetheless, right when he described Blair and his accomplaces as wolf's. Amazing how that Daily Telegraph newshound managed to fall over that box file wasn't it?
I don't know if you listen to BBC 5 live at all WR, but if you had been listening yesterday morning you would have heard Victoria Derbyshire announce that 82% of those voting through their text messaging sevice thought that Blair was a liar and then immediately tag on to the end of this highly pertinent information two messages from listeners supporting Blairs position, with a third jokingly rubbishing all politicians! Of course Nicky Cambell was ready and primed to deliver his own star billing two penneth of unadulterated drivel, which, as it turned out, was the signal for the whole studio to begin their collective guffaw. In this way a very salient fact was deminished in the ear of the listener!!
This is what we are reduced to. The message is the lie and the lie is the message.
BF - On BBC news this morning the Gvt spokeswoman (can't remember the name) said that all the evidence of WMD in Iraq given to politicians and the public were from the security services - and all the claims being made that it had been "sexed" up etc were rubbish - - - so what about the dossier on the internet which turned out to be written by an undergraduate/graduate? - so they continue the lies and deceit even when they know the public are already aware about some shady material.
Blair rounds on Short and war critics
Get this - Blair rounds on Short for saying that he made a secret agreement with Bush to invade Iraq, then our puplic school educated lawyer demands from Short evidence of this secret agreement!! Short, as everybody knows, was a member of the Cabinet. With hindsight, she is looking back on events in order to figure out how she and the Party were duped. Her conclusion; the whole process of embroiling the country in war was a political charade. She demands that Blair publish the Attorney General's legal opinion, but Blair climbs out of the bubble of jurisprudence and refuses. She claims now that Blair and Bush have conspired in secret. "Where is your evidence" squawks Blair climbing back inside the bubble of jurisprudence. Thus, Blair, the scrofulous sophist, speaks.
Get this - Blair rounds on Short for saying that he made a secret agreement with Bush to invade Iraq, then our puplic school educated lawyer demands from Short evidence of this secret agreement!! Short, as everybody knows, was a member of the Cabinet. With hindsight, she is looking back on events in order to figure out how she and the Party were duped. Her conclusion; the whole process of embroiling the country in war was a political charade. She demands that Blair publish the Attorney General's legal opinion, but Blair climbs out of the bubble of jurisprudence and refuses. She claims now that Blair and Bush have conspired in secret. "Where is your evidence" squawks Blair climbing back inside the bubble of jurisprudence. Thus, Blair, the scrofulous sophist, speaks.
BF - [Street was cleared "very properly" by the Joint Intelligence Committee. ]
Doesn't say much for them then does it when they pass someone elses work for publication - I wonder if they asked his permission?
On a programme last night the reporter - so I guess its just his opinion - said that if the UK hadn't been able to enter the "coalition" - for political reasons the US would not have been able to go alone. Blair knew there was no way the UK would accept just tagging along with the US alone - so this is where the charade of the UN came in - they managed to get the first vote by being fairly unspecific about the consequences - and then well the fun and games began. I don't think there was much doubt in many people's minds that the war would take place no matter what with the US/UK going it alone. They had possibly less intention of abiding by a UN decision than even Saddam ever had - so neatly avoided the second vote.
Doesn't say much for them then does it when they pass someone elses work for publication - I wonder if they asked his permission?
On a programme last night the reporter - so I guess its just his opinion - said that if the UK hadn't been able to enter the "coalition" - for political reasons the US would not have been able to go alone. Blair knew there was no way the UK would accept just tagging along with the US alone - so this is where the charade of the UN came in - they managed to get the first vote by being fairly unspecific about the consequences - and then well the fun and games began. I don't think there was much doubt in many people's minds that the war would take place no matter what with the US/UK going it alone. They had possibly less intention of abiding by a UN decision than even Saddam ever had - so neatly avoided the second vote.
[Whenever it happened, the pledge to support Bush's world view became a crucial limitation on our prime minister's independent judgment. It lay behind every decision the British took. Yes, Blair helped persuade Bush to take the UN route - but it's apparent that he never intended to do anything other than follow along if and when Bush reneged on it. All those words about war not being inevitable were for the birds. Yes, Blair urged delay, but for a period whose main effect was to allow time to assemble the US and UK armies for attack, by which time it was inconceivable, even when almost invited to by Donald Rumsfeld, that the Brits would pull out. Yes, Blair beat his head against the wall in defence of the case for Saddam possessing biological/chemical/nuclear weapons that posed an imminent threat to the UK - but he loaded the benefit of any doubt in favour of war rather than no war.
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This was to be suspected at the time, but has now become indisputable. Paul Wolfowitz reveals that the discovery of WMD was merely a "bureaucratic" detail, necessary to broaden support for the war. Rumsfeld admits that he doesn't expect to find any WMD, and blithely claims this doesn't matter. The entire US performance through autumn and winter at the UN can now be starkly seen as a sham, conducted to keep Blair and a few others sweet. Washington needed one faithful ally, and was prepared to go this far to secure him, no doubt mindful of his frequent, self-abnegating assertion - the strangest diplomatic axiom ever laid down by a prime minister - that British policy must be guided by the need to protect Washington from isolation. ]
full article
http://warmwell.com/2jun3blair.html[
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This was to be suspected at the time, but has now become indisputable. Paul Wolfowitz reveals that the discovery of WMD was merely a "bureaucratic" detail, necessary to broaden support for the war. Rumsfeld admits that he doesn't expect to find any WMD, and blithely claims this doesn't matter. The entire US performance through autumn and winter at the UN can now be starkly seen as a sham, conducted to keep Blair and a few others sweet. Washington needed one faithful ally, and was prepared to go this far to secure him, no doubt mindful of his frequent, self-abnegating assertion - the strangest diplomatic axiom ever laid down by a prime minister - that British policy must be guided by the need to protect Washington from isolation. ]
full article
http://warmwell.com/2jun3blair.html[
The Unravelling Of Tony Blair
By John Pilger
When I saw this image of Blair holding a child in Basra, I happened to be in a hotel in Kabul in Afghanistan, the scene of an earlier "historic victory" of Bush and Blair in another stricken land. I found myself saying out loud the words, "ultimate obscenity". It was in Basra that I filmed hundreds of children ill and dying because they had been denied cancer treatment equipment and drugs under an embargo enforced with enthusiasm by Tony Blair.
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THERE is a series of such lies; I have counted at least a dozen significant ones. They range from Blair's "solid evidence" linking Iraq with Al-Qaeda and September 11 (refuted by British intelligence) to claims of Iraq's "growing" nuclear weapons programme (refuted by the International Atomic Energy Agency when documents quoted by Blair were found to be forgeries), to perhaps his most audacious tale - that Iraq's weapons of mass destruction "could be activated within 45 minutes".
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What is different now is that the truth is winning through. This week, publication of an extraordinary map left little doubt that the British military had plastered much of Iraq with cluster bombs, many of which almost certainly have failed to detonate on impact. They usually wait for children to pick them up, then they explode, as in Kosovo and Afghanistan.
They are cowardly weapons; but of course this was one of the most craven of all wars, "fought" against a country with no navy, no air force and rag-tag army. Last month, HMS Turbulent, a nuclear-power submarine, slipped back to Plymouth, flying the Jolly Roger, the pirates' emblem. How appropriate.
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What did HMS Turbulent's 30 missiles hit? How many people did they kill and maim? And why have we heard nothing about this? Perhaps the missiles had sensory devices that could distinguish Bush's "evil-doers" and Blair's "wicked men" from toddlers? What is certain is they were not aimed at the Ministry of Oil.
This cynical and shaming chapter in Britain's modern story was written in our name, your name. Blair and his collaborators ought not to be allowed to get away with it.
http://warmwell.com/2jun3pilg.html
By John Pilger
When I saw this image of Blair holding a child in Basra, I happened to be in a hotel in Kabul in Afghanistan, the scene of an earlier "historic victory" of Bush and Blair in another stricken land. I found myself saying out loud the words, "ultimate obscenity". It was in Basra that I filmed hundreds of children ill and dying because they had been denied cancer treatment equipment and drugs under an embargo enforced with enthusiasm by Tony Blair.
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THERE is a series of such lies; I have counted at least a dozen significant ones. They range from Blair's "solid evidence" linking Iraq with Al-Qaeda and September 11 (refuted by British intelligence) to claims of Iraq's "growing" nuclear weapons programme (refuted by the International Atomic Energy Agency when documents quoted by Blair were found to be forgeries), to perhaps his most audacious tale - that Iraq's weapons of mass destruction "could be activated within 45 minutes".
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What is different now is that the truth is winning through. This week, publication of an extraordinary map left little doubt that the British military had plastered much of Iraq with cluster bombs, many of which almost certainly have failed to detonate on impact. They usually wait for children to pick them up, then they explode, as in Kosovo and Afghanistan.
They are cowardly weapons; but of course this was one of the most craven of all wars, "fought" against a country with no navy, no air force and rag-tag army. Last month, HMS Turbulent, a nuclear-power submarine, slipped back to Plymouth, flying the Jolly Roger, the pirates' emblem. How appropriate.
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What did HMS Turbulent's 30 missiles hit? How many people did they kill and maim? And why have we heard nothing about this? Perhaps the missiles had sensory devices that could distinguish Bush's "evil-doers" and Blair's "wicked men" from toddlers? What is certain is they were not aimed at the Ministry of Oil.
This cynical and shaming chapter in Britain's modern story was written in our name, your name. Blair and his collaborators ought not to be allowed to get away with it.
http://warmwell.com/2jun3pilg.html
LesNatrels
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Tempers flare as US attacks gas sellers in Baghdad
Gas stations throughout Baghdad have been ordered by the US to stop selling gas to re-sellers and only let people fill their cars, in order to cut down on crowding. When a group of Iraqis carrying gas cans, including Alaiwi, approached Abu Qlam at 1:30pm today, US soldiers stationed there without a translator told the group in English that they couldn’t fill their cans. When the Iraqis continued to approach the station, either not understanding or ignoring the order, the soldiers shouted at them to stop, and the Iraqis ran away. The soldiers pursued the group, and pistol-whipped Alaiwi when they caught him, leaving two, prominent welts on his forehead. The soldiers then destroyed the gas cans with their knives.
Alaiwi was confused and angry after the beating. I never attached them, they suddenly attacked me. They beat me with their guns, and threatened me with a knife. When they came, they were supposed to give us our freedom, not assault us. He [the soldier] insulted me. If he was an Iraqi, I would kill him. But he is an American, and I can’t do anything, Alaiwi said.
Ahmed, an eyewitness to the attack, commented, The fight today was nothing. A few days ago, an old man quarreled with the Americans and they kicked him in the head. Every day such situations happen.
Smith, one of the US soldiers stationed at Abu Qlam, said, People were standing in line waiting to buy gasoline, and these guys came with their gallon cans in order to get gasoline to sell in the street. We told them not to do that. They ignored us, and when we ordered him to stop, they ran away. Smith continued, People who run from us are bad people.
Hoopra, one of the soldiers who allegedly participated in the beating, said, What guys? and turned away when asked about the attack.
Ghassan Al-Zubaidi, a high school student working at the gas station, complained after the beating, The Americans came for the freedom? That’s all lies. They came, occupied us, and stole our oil. They wanted this [bad situation] for our country. They robbed, and they looted, and they burned all the Ministries, except the Ministry of Oil, which wasn’t touched, because they wanted the oil. George Bush is a son-of-a-bitch.
photos on Baghdad Independent Media centre
Gas stations throughout Baghdad have been ordered by the US to stop selling gas to re-sellers and only let people fill their cars, in order to cut down on crowding. When a group of Iraqis carrying gas cans, including Alaiwi, approached Abu Qlam at 1:30pm today, US soldiers stationed there without a translator told the group in English that they couldn’t fill their cans. When the Iraqis continued to approach the station, either not understanding or ignoring the order, the soldiers shouted at them to stop, and the Iraqis ran away. The soldiers pursued the group, and pistol-whipped Alaiwi when they caught him, leaving two, prominent welts on his forehead. The soldiers then destroyed the gas cans with their knives.
Alaiwi was confused and angry after the beating. I never attached them, they suddenly attacked me. They beat me with their guns, and threatened me with a knife. When they came, they were supposed to give us our freedom, not assault us. He [the soldier] insulted me. If he was an Iraqi, I would kill him. But he is an American, and I can’t do anything, Alaiwi said.
Ahmed, an eyewitness to the attack, commented, The fight today was nothing. A few days ago, an old man quarreled with the Americans and they kicked him in the head. Every day such situations happen.
Smith, one of the US soldiers stationed at Abu Qlam, said, People were standing in line waiting to buy gasoline, and these guys came with their gallon cans in order to get gasoline to sell in the street. We told them not to do that. They ignored us, and when we ordered him to stop, they ran away. Smith continued, People who run from us are bad people.
Hoopra, one of the soldiers who allegedly participated in the beating, said, What guys? and turned away when asked about the attack.
Ghassan Al-Zubaidi, a high school student working at the gas station, complained after the beating, The Americans came for the freedom? That’s all lies. They came, occupied us, and stole our oil. They wanted this [bad situation] for our country. They robbed, and they looted, and they burned all the Ministries, except the Ministry of Oil, which wasn’t touched, because they wanted the oil. George Bush is a son-of-a-bitch.
photos on Baghdad Independent Media centre
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TWO British soldiers have been ordered out of Iraq after the alleged beating of Iraqi prisoners of war.
The men, whose regiment has not been revealed, were thought to have been flown to their barracks in Germany.
The MoD spokeswoman said: "We can confirm that an alleged incident has been reported involving the beating of Iraqi PoWs. "Two soldiers have been returned to barracks pending an investigation."
john x
The men, whose regiment has not been revealed, were thought to have been flown to their barracks in Germany.
The MoD spokeswoman said: "We can confirm that an alleged incident has been reported involving the beating of Iraqi PoWs. "Two soldiers have been returned to barracks pending an investigation."
john x
this guy has either been given the wrong song sheet or there is a method in his madness.
[Asked why a nuclear power such as North Korea was being treated differently from Iraq, where hardly any weapons of mass destruction had been found, the deputy defence minister said: "Let's look at it simply. The most important difference between North Korea and Iraq is that economically, we just had no choice in Iraq. The country swims on a sea of oil."]
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,970331,00.html
[Asked why a nuclear power such as North Korea was being treated differently from Iraq, where hardly any weapons of mass destruction had been found, the deputy defence minister said: "Let's look at it simply. The most important difference between North Korea and Iraq is that economically, we just had no choice in Iraq. The country swims on a sea of oil."]
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,970331,00.html
Still looking for Saddam
[On the opening night of the war that began March 20, the coalition launched a massive bombing and cruise missile raid against what was suspected to be one of Saddam's secret bunkers at the Dora Farms complex in south Baghdad.
But a series of intensive searches completed there last week failed even to find a body, let alone any underground facilities.]
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...fp/iraq_saddam_probe_error&cid=1514&ncid=1478
[On the opening night of the war that began March 20, the coalition launched a massive bombing and cruise missile raid against what was suspected to be one of Saddam's secret bunkers at the Dora Farms complex in south Baghdad.
But a series of intensive searches completed there last week failed even to find a body, let alone any underground facilities.]
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...fp/iraq_saddam_probe_error&cid=1514&ncid=1478
[A small team from the International Atomic Energy Agency is due in Iraq on Friday to check on looting of atomic materials, but the United States has barred it from visiting all but one site at a nuclear research complex south of Baghdad.]
http://abcnews.go.com/wire/World/reuters20030605_121.html
http://abcnews.go.com/wire/World/reuters20030605_121.html
The Niger connection: Tony Blair, forged documents and the case for war
Source: http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/story.jsp?story=412558
US raid on Palestinian embassy in Baghdad: an act of political gangsterism
Source:http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/jun2003/emb-j05.shtml
'Overwhelming evidence Blair agreed to war last summer'
Sorce: http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_787700.html?menu=news.iraqaftermath
US troops once again deployed in Fallujah. Who said this War was over?
In Qatar, it's high-fives and handshakes for Bush with his troops. In Iraq, it's a different story: bloodshed, fear and a deadly ambush
Hmmm...
In Qatar, it's high-fives and handshakes for Bush with his troops. In Iraq, it's a different story: bloodshed, fear and a deadly ambush
Hmmm...
Sorry about that link. Obviously Janet street Porter smells profit in Fisks articles. So here's a free version..
Bloodshed, Fear And a Deadly Ambush
Bloodshed, Fear And a Deadly Ambush
[In its report last September, the Defense Intelligence Agency said it could find no reliable information to indicate that Iraq had any chemical weapons available for use on the battlefield. But the agency also said Iraq probably had stockpiles of banned chemical warfare agents.
The existence of the DIA report was disclosed by U.S. News & World Report, and a classified summary was reported by Bloomberg News on Thursday. Two Pentagon officials who had read the summary confirmed Friday that it said DIA had no hard evidence of Iraqi chemical weapons.]
http://warmwell.com/2jun6sfc.html
The existence of the DIA report was disclosed by U.S. News & World Report, and a classified summary was reported by Bloomberg News on Thursday. Two Pentagon officials who had read the summary confirmed Friday that it said DIA had no hard evidence of Iraqi chemical weapons.]
http://warmwell.com/2jun6sfc.html
Ilam, June 7, IRNA -- An influential US politician predicted on Saturday that the United States' military presence in Iraq might last for sixty years.
http://www.irna.ir/en/head/030607234855.ehe.shtml
http://www.irna.ir/en/head/030607234855.ehe.shtml
In a personal letter apologizing to MI6 chief Richard Dearlove, Campbell admitted discrediting the service with the release to journalists of the so-called "dodgy dossier" on Iraq and weapons of mass destruction.
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2003-06/08/content_909076.htm
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2003-06/08/content_909076.htm
Iraq's Sunnis Seethe Over Loss of Prestige, Focus Anger on Americans
http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0603/90070.html
US-led coalition at odds with Iraq Shiites as arms deadline nears
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...wl_mideast_afp/iraq_shiite&cid=1514&ncid=1478
http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0603/90070.html
US-led coalition at odds with Iraq Shiites as arms deadline nears
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...wl_mideast_afp/iraq_shiite&cid=1514&ncid=1478
Would-be Iraqi rulers doling out cash, jobs
http://www.kentucky.com/mld/kentucky/news/breaking_news/6042408.htm
http://www.kentucky.com/mld/kentucky/news/breaking_news/6042408.htm
WR - So Cambell apologizes to his chum Dearlove--a fully paid-up member of Britain's secret state within a state--for offendeding his fragile sensibilities while at the same time ignoring the offended sensibilities of the British public--the real victims of the deception. Amazing isn't it?
Meanwhile, down on the Westminster wind farm, the whitewash is on...
Britain: Blair defeats motion for inquiry into Iraqi WMDs
Meanwhile, down on the Westminster wind farm, the whitewash is on...
Britain: Blair defeats motion for inquiry into Iraqi WMDs
source: http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/jun2003/blai-j07.shtml
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