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Originally posted by wizard61
http://www.msnbc.com/news/898588.asp?0cv=CA01&cp1=1

Shops began to open and street vendors hawked vegetables loaded onto donkey carts.

On the Karada district’s commercial street, vegetable vendor Karim al-Fleih dumped fresh bags of beans into the boxes at his corner stand. “I stayed open through all the bombing,” al-Fleih said.




Okay, can someone please explain if they know....BBC was saying all shops have closed, etc, now we hear different reports......but I swear I heard/read from many sources that Iraq's currency was no longer valid. Therefore, of course no shops are open, they wouldn't be making real money. Also, the shops that are open, what are they using for currency?

:confused:
 
Originally posted by Miss Caphat
I was merely giving a play by play of the press conference.

PB, also, I thought this country was formed on the separation of church and state!

That doesn't mean the president can't talk about prayer.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

And i hope the hell you recognize this and know exactly were it comes from.

"or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" - that clearly means that all americans can express their belive and talk about it at anytime.

If its an inapropriet time, you can be fired., that is a seperat issue... school teachers who are pushing religion instead of teaching.
 
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

You had better take a look at the new laws drafted in by Bush in the last few weeks pbman.
Say goodbye to your precious constitution.

Clean yer guns, you might need them.
 
Originally posted by pk
You had better take a look at the new laws drafted in by Bush in the last few weeks pbman.
Say goodbye to your precious constitution.

Clean yer guns, you might need them.

Well at least i have them.

You have shit.

Good luck with that.
 
Originally posted by Johnny Canuck2
There are indications that the russian convoy fired upon by the US, was trying to spirit Iraqi intelligence documents out of the country.

Possibly including details of a secret deal between Saddam and the CIA which was brokered by the Russians.

john x
 
Originally posted by pbman
Well its been of tv so much, i didn't bother.

Andi though i would wait for the final confermation.

But here you go in the mean time.


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,83840,00.html

Fox News' Rick Leventhal
Lots of Fox stuff snipped.

PB, As I've said before Fox News is NOT a trusted source of information. It is about as accurate as the old style Pravda. If you are going to post media quotes kindly use sources that will not be laughed at.
 
Originally posted by pbman
Well at least i have them.

You have shit.

Good luck with that.
Yes you have the freedom to carry arms and I'm sure you could make a decisive difference with your popguns should you choose to revolt against your gov't.


In one corner: pbman with a couple of rifles.


Other corner: One A10 Thunderbolt with 30 mm GAU-8/A seven-barrel Gatling gun plus 8 hardpoints 16,000 lb AG weapons including Maverics, bombs of many kinds, 2.75" Rockets and AIM9 AA missiles.


Hard to work out who'd come up trumps :p

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Meanwhile the battle moves to Tikrit

Thankfully the war's nearly over then
 
Originally posted by Loki
Yes you have the freedom to carry arms and I'm sure you could make a decisive difference with your popguns should you choose to revolt against your gov't.


In one corner: pbman with a couple of rifles.


Other corner: One A10 Thunderbolt with 30 mm GAU-8/A seven-barrel Gatling gun plus 8 hardpoints 16,000 lb AG weapons including Maverics, bombs of many kinds, 2.75" Rockets and AIM9 AA missiles.


Hard to work out who'd come up trumps :p

***

Meanwhile the battle moves to Tikrit

Thankfully the war's nearly over then

Well the poor bastards at waco held off the left wing storm troopers for a long time.

Much much better than being taking in the dead of the night.

Actually the press was so bad, on the waco incident that the battle was won.... they never tried again.
 
1645: US Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld accuses Syria of conducting a chemical weapons test "over the past 12, 15 months". (BBC)

Didn't take long did it?!
 
Originally posted by wizard61
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-fill/f4868.pdf

Russia provided Saddam’s regime with assistance in the months before the war, including secret intelligence on private conversations between British Prime Minister Tony Blair and other Western leaders, Britain’s Telegraph newspaper reported Sunday. The paper, citing documents obtained from the bombed-out headquarters of Iraq’s military intelligence service in Baghdad, also said that Moscow gave Saddam lists of “assassins” available for use in the Westand details of weapons deals to neighboring countries.


So Russia is next after Syria, Iran, etc etc........:confused:
 
1800: The entire contents of Iraq's national library and archives are reported to have been burned down, destroying priceless records of the country's history.
 
1800: The entire contents of Iraq's national library and archives are reported to have been burned down, destroying priceless records of the country's history.

There are tens of thousands of American troops in Iraq, a great many of them in the near vacinity of Baghdad. All significant military resistance has been routed and yet the American forces claim they are unable to prevent the looting and destruction of an ancient peoples cultural legacy. US troops stand guard over the oil fields while hospitals, museums and libraries are looted and raised to the ground.

It all seems like a deliberate attempt to drive Iraq back into the stoneage to me. The only thing the Iraqi people are being liberated from is progress.
 
You're right Bigfish, cultural history going out the window...Sorry if this has been posted before...

Robert Fisk wrote in the NZ Herald:

"US troops have sat back and allowed mobs to wreck and then burn the Ministry of Planning, the Ministry of Education, the Ministry of Irrigation, the Ministry of Trade, the Ministry of Industry, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the Ministry of Culture and the Ministry of Information.

They did nothing to prevent looters from destroying priceless treasures of Iraq's history in the Baghdad Archaeological Museum and in the Museum in the northern city of Mosul, nor from looting three hospitals.

However, the Americans have put hundreds of troops inside two Iraqi ministries, which remain untouched - and untouchable - because tanks and armoured personnel carriers and Humvee jeeps have been placed inside and outside both institutions.

And which particular ministries proved to be so important for the Americans? Why, the Ministry of Interior, of course - with its vast wealth of intelligence information on Iraq - and the Ministry of Oil."

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=3401035&thesection=news&thesubsection=dialogue
 
Not sure if this is .............

news exactly, but BBC defence correspondant Andrew Gilligan said that the majority of Iraqis he has spoken to in Baghdad say that they are grateful to the US for ridding them of Saddam, but they must leave their country now.

Not exactly a scientific poll but an indication of where things stand now.

john x
 
Originally posted by john x
Not sure if this is .............

news exactly, but BBC defence correspondant Andrew Gilligan said that the majority of Iraqis he has spoken to in Baghdad say that they are grateful to the US for ridding them of Saddam, but they must leave their country now.

Not exactly a scientific poll but an indication of where things stand now.

john x

This is a bit like what I feel about Tory B.Liar. 'OK thanks for getting rid of John Major and co but can you please fuck off now before you ruin my country more'
 
Sweden’s largest newspaper, Dagens Nyheter, published an interview April 11 with a Swedish researcher of Middle Eastern ancestry who had gone to Iraq to serve as a human shield. Khaled Bayoumi told the newspaper, “I happened to be right there just as the American troops encouraged people to begin the plundering.”

He described how US soldiers shot security guards at a local government building on Haifa Avenue on the west bank of the Tigris, and then “blasted apart the doors to the building.” Next, according to Bayoumi, “from the tanks came eager calls in Arabic encouraging people to come close to them.”

At first, he said, residents were hesitant to come out of their homes because anyone who had tried to cross the street in the morning had been shot. “Arab interpreters in the tanks told the people to go and take what they wanted in the building,” Bayoumi continued. “The word spread quickly and the building was ransacked. I was standing only 300 yards from there when the guards were murdered. Afterwards the tank crushed the entrance to the Justice Department, which was in a neighboring building, and the plundering continued there.

“I stood in a large crowd and watched this together with them. They did not partake in the plundering but dared not to interfere. Many had tears of shame in their eyes. The next morning the plundering spread to the Modern Museum, which lies a quarter mile farther north. There were also two crowds there, one that plundered and one that watched with disgust.”

From here:
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/apr2003/iraq-a15.shtml
 
In the Orwellian language of New York Times columnist William Safire, the US aim is to “introduce free enterprise and the rule of law”—by means of a criminal invasion, followed by widespread looting. This will set the stage for a much bigger theft: the privatization of Iraq’s vast oil resources and their exploitation, directly or indirectly, by US and British oil companies.

There is more at stake, however, than rank hypocrisy or an appetite for Iraq’s oil wealth. The looting in Iraq directly serves the political interests of American imperialism in cementing its domination of the conquered country.

The Bush administration is seeking to encourage the emergence of a new ruling elite in Iraq, formed from the most rapacious, reactionary and selfish elements, which will serve as a semi-criminal comprador force entirely subservient to the United States. The acquisition of property through the theft of Iraqi state assets serves to bind these elements to the US occupation forces by their own economic self-interest. As one Army officer told the Times, as he watched the looting approvingly, “This is the new income redistribution program.”

From the same article:
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/apr2003/iraq-a15.shtml
 
At least 10 killed in Mosul shooting, US troops blamed

"At least 10 people were killed and scores wounded in shooting in Mosul, a hospital doctor said, as other witnesses alleged US troops had opened fire..."

(Edited to remove non-functioning link)
 
Theres a new link (the news item from the previous link has been removed) to the story which has been amended:

At least 10 killed in Mosul shooting, US denies accusations it is to blame

MOSUL, Iraq (AFP) - At least 10 people were shot dead and scores wounded in the northern Iraqi town of Mosul, a hospital doctor said, with witnesses claiming US troops had opened fire on a crowd after it turned against an American-installed local governor.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...wl_mideast_afp/iraq_war_us_mosul_030415151253
 
dude,

Your link doesn't work...again.

I searched all over Yahoo/news and can't find the story.

Nothing on the bbc site either!!!
 
re: dude's link: That pesky vBulletin bug rears its head again. If you remove the %20 and <br%20/> bits after clicking on dude's link it'll work.
 
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