Immigration to the UK - do you have concerns?
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planetgeli
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When Labour played the racist card
Newly released cabinet papers reveal the shocking truth behind James Callaghan's 1968 Commonwealth I
www.newstatesman.com
Came across this article in footnotes of Maya Goodfellow book on immigration.
It's a Labour government rushing in legislation to stop Asians from coming to UK
They had British passports. And were exercising their rights to come here.
The problem for the Labour government was that weren't white.
Just a few months after this legislation was rushed through Enoch gave his rivers of blood speech . Which distracted attention from what some newspapers called at the time a shameful episode for Labour.
A few MPa across the political spectrum opposed it
The legislation was as is usual in UK not specifically aimed at Asians but in practice everyone knew it would be.
So the fiction that immigration controls aren't racist could be upheld.
As article says Enochs inflammatory speech diverted attention away from actions of the supposed reasonable non racist people in Labour government.
Basically the view was that large influx of non white people would disrupt social harmony.
One of the differences between then and now is that at least some papers and MPs saw through this.
Now this kind of racist immigration control is regarded as sensible.
Also like to point out that for those who post that immigration controls are necessary. Well this country has both Labour and Conservative governments since 60s bringing in more and more restrictions yet it still appears people have concerns
Always worth a look at the context
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
No posts in this thread since Sunday, despite this being another week of tragic deaths in the Channel. 
Perhaps this thread will inevitably wither as most have had their chance to articulate concerns and, maybe, it will just reflect immigration falling down the news media agenda again as the riots become forgotten.
Perhaps this thread will inevitably wither as most have had their chance to articulate concerns and, maybe, it will just reflect immigration falling down the news media agenda again as the riots become forgotten.
danny la rouge
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Though to be fair, this thread is for people who have concerns. They never actually have concerns about the welfare or lives of the migrants.No posts in this thread since Sunday, despite this being another week of tragic deaths in the Channel.
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Perhaps this thread will inevitably wither as most have had their chance to articulate concerns and, maybe, it will just reflect immigration falling down the news media agenda again as the riots become forgotten.
andysays
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I see the old "It's not racist to look after your own" trope is getting another outing
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brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Saw this Ipsos polling in a S.Times article and thought of this thread:
Evidence of manufactured dissent?
Evidence of manufactured dissent?
It’s always difficult to know what these kind of surveys really mean, to be honest. People don’t have an internal quantified metric of “things that matter” to read off the highest value from. They have to make sense of the question, and to do so they will draw upon contextual information, salient events and be clued to think of certain things by the question itself. The very act of asking “what is important to the country… and to you?” creates a separation between the individual self and the wider social self — it invites the respondent give different answers to each. So I would be reluctant to read too much into the manufactured divide in the answers.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Yes, don't disagree with much of that. But, that methodological criticism would seemingly apply to all of the question categories so, perhaps the relative discrepancies are noteworthy? The gap for immigration does appear to be in a different league to the other prompts.
PTK
Paul Kegan
I would like to know how they ask these questions. The order in which the issues are presented must have a great effect on the answers.
krtek a houby
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Pardon my ignorance; what is a salient event?
danny la rouge
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Tall Ships, Americas Cup, that sort of thing.
Salience means something in your conscious awareness — something that you are “bearing in mind”. So a salient event is one that you are thinking of when you answer the question.
It particularly applies to the notion of immigration though — you are being invited to make a distinction between the individual and social self when constructing the notion of “importance”, and what could that distinction be more relevant to than grand sweeping notions related to the nation as a whole? Once that distinction has been constructed on behalf of the respondent, in what manner could the respondent even make meaning of this particular issue “facing them personally”?
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
I think I can see what you're getting at, but I'm not convinced that the distinction difficulty you suggest applies particularly to any one of the 10 issues.
I'd say that the 5 highest "you personally" indicate that the respondents' national concerns were founded in their lived reality of high prices, poor NHS service, low wages/job security, shortage/unaffordability of housing and underfunded schools, but not when it came to immigration. I readily accept that polling tends to find respondents not wanting to admit their own racism and instead cast that on the generality. But to me it still looks like polling numbers that have been ramped by racist politicians and their client media.
Like I said, you just have to be extremely careful how you interpret what the results really mean. You could just as well take it that they tell you something interesting about what notions are constructed as being abstract societal-level ideas (e.g. immigration and political legitimacy), which have large gaps between the results, versus which are constructed as being concrete issues affecting the personal (eg health and cost of living), which have small gaps.
Elpenor
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Housing being precarious and poor quality must cause so many negative health and education outcomes.
saw this story over the weekend. I admit I didn't think it was still going on to this extent. grim.
More than 900 people crossed the English Channel in small boats on Saturday - the highest daily total so far this year.
According to the Home Office, 973 migrants arrived in 17 boats, bringing the total number for the year to 26,612 people in 503 boats.
More than 900 people crossed the English Channel in small boats on Saturday - the highest daily total so far this year.
According to the Home Office, 973 migrants arrived in 17 boats, bringing the total number for the year to 26,612 people in 503 boats.
Migrants: More than 900 people arrive in small boats in a day
Another 973 people arrived in the UK by small boat on Saturday, according to the Home Office.
www.bbc.co.uk
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
Just ordered this book after reading this review:
www.theguardian.com
Trilling knows his onions, so I’m looking forward to reading it.
Plus, I thought the final paragraph of the review might be worth sharing here:
“Another, equally important part of De Haas’s argument is that we should stop thinking of migration in terms of costs and benefits. Yes, immigration helps fill labour shortages, but it has little overall impact on labour markets, and the profits mainly go to employers. Yes, remittances help sustain communities back home, but their benefits are mostly cancelled out by the costs of people leaving in the first place. Instead, De Haas suggests, it’s more useful to think of migration as a fact of life. The social and political questions it raises, therefore – over rights at work, or economic priorities, or national identity – are ones that concern us all. As de Haas puts it: “Any real debate on migration will therefore inevitably be a debate on the type of society we want to live in.”
Are we all barking up the wrong tree? We certainly are in the long term.
How Migration Really Works by Hein de Haas review – home truths
A powerful debunking of myths about global migration, and an indictment of the political dishonesty that generates them
Trilling knows his onions, so I’m looking forward to reading it.
Plus, I thought the final paragraph of the review might be worth sharing here:
“Another, equally important part of De Haas’s argument is that we should stop thinking of migration in terms of costs and benefits. Yes, immigration helps fill labour shortages, but it has little overall impact on labour markets, and the profits mainly go to employers. Yes, remittances help sustain communities back home, but their benefits are mostly cancelled out by the costs of people leaving in the first place. Instead, De Haas suggests, it’s more useful to think of migration as a fact of life. The social and political questions it raises, therefore – over rights at work, or economic priorities, or national identity – are ones that concern us all. As de Haas puts it: “Any real debate on migration will therefore inevitably be a debate on the type of society we want to live in.”
Are we all barking up the wrong tree? We certainly are in the long term.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Taking the piss
ska invita
back on the other side
Legitimate naturally arising concerns
www.thesun.co.uk
No10 boss orders Labour MPs not to shy away from immigration debate
LABOUR MPs must talk about migration more or face being booted out after one term, a new No10 boss has warned. On Wednesday Morgan McSweeney told squeamish newbie politicians to stop ignoring small…
www.thesun.co.uk
andysays
Love and solidarity
Legitimate naturally arising concerns
No10 boss orders Labour MPs not to shy away from immigration debate
LABOUR MPs must talk about migration more or face being booted out after one term, a new No10 boss has warned. On Wednesday Morgan McSweeney told squeamish newbie politicians to stop ignoring small…
Please don't link to the Sun ska invita.
You've been here long enough not to need this pointing out to you.
danny la rouge
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Yup. It’s not a small thing either. It’s important: don’t buy the S*n, don’t share links to the S*n, don’t click on links to the S*n, don’t speak to S*n “reporters”. They are enemies of the working class and of truth.
Hillsborough and Orgreave is enough reason. But there are so many more. Please respect the boycott.
Hillsborough and Orgreave is enough reason. But there are so many more. Please respect the boycott.
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Starry Wisdom
I see he's fled to the Hindu kush to get away from the vile starmerites
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Not to mention wapping
PTK
Paul Kegan
Yes, and the same should apply to X.
danny la rouge
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