tony.c
Well-Known Member
BBC 4 news is saying the rest of increase will take place a year later in Spring 2025.
You have to earn £38,700 before your overseas partner/spouse can live in the UK
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BBC 4 news is saying the rest of increase will take place a year later in Spring 2025.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Or would do, if they were still in government.
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
It will do this doesn't require a Act of Parliament to implement, the increase is on the books unless someone be it a member of the current shower or the alternate shower makes a decision to change it.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
It isn't on the books yet, a vague announcement is still only a vague announcement! They might give one before the election, but I wouldn't bank on it.
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
It's already the law of the land, the current limit is £18600, changing the number is just an executive decision. The £29K rise is already scheduled for the beginning of April I believe? that will happen. As for a later rise they don't really have to make firm announcements they can just tell the Civil Service to do it. They may not yet have actually said 'do it' and only in fact waffled a bit in public but there isn't actually a way of knowing for sure until 2025 comes around and it does or does not happen.
You're right of course in that it won't have happened until it has and it may be possible that the bit of paper that needs signing might be sitting forgotten in Cleverly's in-tray and he hasn't scribbled his X on it but for the moment we can't sadly count on that.
Ideally we need Sir Keir the Unchallenged Master of Not Commtting Himself to commit himself and say we will drop the limit/abolish the rules.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
You're right they only have to formally announce it, but that is still Formally. There is no date for the first rise, it's presumably going to be the beginning off the new tax year but it could be any time (they've talked about February for some of the other changes). It must be publicly announced somewhat in advance, though that could be as little as a month.
And as there would be no direct financial implications of cancelling it (or, more likely, just using a different figure - the 29k+inflation would be my guess), I reckon Starmer might well do, just because it would make him look slightly less evil.
And as there would be no direct financial implications of cancelling it (or, more likely, just using a different figure - the 29k+inflation would be my guess), I reckon Starmer might well do, just because it would make him look slightly less evil.
nogojones
spelling is overrated
and a healthy dose of money laundering
StoneRoad
heckling from the back!
[apparently see also "some" barber-shops]
Not to mention the number of people here "unofficically" / smuggled and hence woefully / deliberately underpaid.
[One local ethnic eatery has been raided several times for this, and is currently closed as it failed to sort out the cleanliness situation that triggered at least one of the raids].
nogojones
spelling is overrated
It's not just "ethnic" food outlets, barbers, nailbars, carwashes..... everyone's at it
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
I’m not.
Elpenor
Dancing as fast as I can
Modern slavery by its definition excludes some people eg Sass
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
The penalties for employing someone classed as an illegal migrant have just gone up from £20K to £60K and for a landlord renting to someone in the same category the fine has gone from £80 to £10,000 which is an even more insane jump than the one that started the thread. The attitude seems to be if we can't solve these problems we can at least make some money out of it.
The attitude is that they’ll make the population police itself rather than having proper systems to manage things.
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
Yeah this is all over the place. In my old job when we had new starters I had to take copies of passports and sign to confirm they were genuine. Had I had any training in spotting a fake passport? Nope. That was a few years ago now but I don't imagine anything has got any better on that front.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
There are rewards too?
8ball
Decolonise colons!
Took me a while to get this one.
At first I thought you were talking about the kids in his basement.
nogojones
spelling is overrated
That's the 'ammer. Don't admit to anything.
mwgdrwg
Be a Pisces. Jam.
Well, the rise to £29,000 is happening this week...then going up to £34,000 later this year, and £38,700K next year.
The absolute fucking cunts, I am so fucking angry about this.
The absolute fucking cunts, I am so fucking angry about this.
County Durham mum says new family visa rules 'devastating'
Later this week, the salary needed to bring family members to the UK will rise to £29,000.
www.bbc.co.uk
PursuedByBears
Go stick your head in a pig
It's so shit. Performative cruelty.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
mwgdrwg, your story prompted me to write to my MP, got the same reply from the arsehole as when I asked him what legal route people fleeing warzones have, i.e. fuck all. And this from a man who's own wife is an immigrant, either Chinese or Japanese, he's too thick and racist to know the difference.
Utterly despair at what these wankers have turned our country in to.
Utterly despair at what these wankers have turned our country in to.
20Bees
Well-Known Member
Home Secretary says no reversal of Tory policies to reduce net migration, but spouse visa increase postponed pending MAC review
Yvette Cooper commissions Migration Advisory Committee to review minimum income requirement and review IT and engineering's over-reliance on international recruitment
I guess stalling the remaining proposed increases is a crumb of comfort for now?
newme
Giant in Pastyland now
Unfortunately I think thats a lot of what we will get, we won't do the absolute worst thing immediately. We will postpone it a bit maybe, sadly its far better than the ones who were doing to do shit ASAP. It's still wrong but maybe gives people some time to plan. Equally useless policy just slower.Home Secretary says no reversal of Tory policies to reduce net migration, but spouse visa increase postponed pending MAC review
Yvette Cooper commissions Migration Advisory Committee to review minimum income requirement and review IT and engineering's over-reliance on international recruitmentwww.ein.org.uk
I guess stalling the remaining proposed increases is a crumb of comfort for now?
mwgdrwg
Be a Pisces. Jam.
So you're fucked if you earn under £29K right now, probably forever, because there's no way they can lower it without the right-wing media jumping all over it.
Probably going to be be fucked if you earn under £38,700 whenever this review is concluded. I see there's no timescale provided either.
Probably going to be be fucked if you earn under £38,700 whenever this review is concluded. I see there's no timescale provided either.
Want to know what I find especially insiduous about this. It actually promotes visa exploitation.
Visa chasers, sham marriages, "slave partners", etc are not a particularly working class activity. Your average visa chaser isnt choosing someone who works in Tesco. Your average sham marriage isnt between poorer people, there are strings and servitude attachments and these make the process gravitate to the well off.
They're basically enabling the "Thai Bride" stereotype, and locking out legitimate relationships and thats utterly grotesque when you consider the dynamics of those "relationships".
Anyone who supports this policy needs to be called out over it because the policy sanctions the slavery and sexual exploitation of minorities.
Its obscene. Fortunately my GF and I want to live and settle in her country in the medium term and can. So we arent directly affected by this, but for those who want to settle here it must be soul destroying.
There is another angle I don't like about it, it presumes the British person is the supporter of their foreign partner and is the higher class or educated person in the relationship. Thats utterly arse backwards for many people and presumes someone from abroad needs supporting, or isn't educated. Thats fundamentally a racially prejudicial angle to come from. What if the foreign partner is highly educated and has the means to support themselves?
Visa chasers, sham marriages, "slave partners", etc are not a particularly working class activity. Your average visa chaser isnt choosing someone who works in Tesco. Your average sham marriage isnt between poorer people, there are strings and servitude attachments and these make the process gravitate to the well off.
They're basically enabling the "Thai Bride" stereotype, and locking out legitimate relationships and thats utterly grotesque when you consider the dynamics of those "relationships".
Anyone who supports this policy needs to be called out over it because the policy sanctions the slavery and sexual exploitation of minorities.
Its obscene. Fortunately my GF and I want to live and settle in her country in the medium term and can. So we arent directly affected by this, but for those who want to settle here it must be soul destroying.
There is another angle I don't like about it, it presumes the British person is the supporter of their foreign partner and is the higher class or educated person in the relationship. Thats utterly arse backwards for many people and presumes someone from abroad needs supporting, or isn't educated. Thats fundamentally a racially prejudicial angle to come from. What if the foreign partner is highly educated and has the means to support themselves?
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furluxor
snake with a claw
I know a guy who's working in two jobs, and is looking to get a third one, so he can hopefully, eventually, bring his wife over to the UK. He fears it could get out of his reach just when he'll finally manage to get over the current earnings threshold.
Meanwhile, I've toyed with the idea of moving to his home country bc life in the UK ain't that great.
All of it is sheer madness.
Meanwhile, I've toyed with the idea of moving to his home country bc life in the UK ain't that great.
All of it is sheer madness.
I'd recommend people trying it. Just, seeing how you get along in that country.
My GF is highly educated in a prestige field and comes from a well off background, so this might be slighly ignorant, because she doesnt need me to be here if she wanted to and has a good life in her home country. If it is a bit ignorant then my appologies in advance.
You've always got a trade off, no country has everything you want, everything perfect. In practical terms you're always trading things off against each other. We have stuff like the NHS, good overall security, more internationalised food options than a lot of places, good job security, little in the way of natural disasters, stuff like that. These are powerful.
But then on the other side you can get stuff like eating out is much easier and cheaper, more street food, depending on your own situation your quality of life might be better, and opportunities may be there - especially in a growing economy, better weather, better beaches and vacation locations, better geodiversity, leisure and entertainment - is there more to do and is it cheaper? You also have a different culture which can be attractive because its stimulating. These can also be powerful factors in your decision making.
We did this, tried it out. Short term, I have responsibilities here and my GF is completing her qualifications for her career, after that we want to settle there. Her country won out, it might be a developing country with big natural disasters and security issues, but on balance we like it there. Be as open minded with your choice of countries as you are with your choice of partner.
What I'm trying to say is, that even we can fall into this right wing trap of viewing our country to be the best and their country a step down, and that might not be the case. In fact, it probably isn't. The reality is that you'll be trading stuff off.
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furluxor
snake with a claw
Sounds like SE Asia! Hope you have a happy move.
We're off on a tangent here but I agree, it's moving is often worth it. In my situation the tricky thing is that I get energised by change but my partner finds it very destabilising. Imho, early in life (20s) moving is almost always a good idea, later on you have to weigh up financial considerations. It's one thing to go to another country when you have the money for a good standard of living, you can just wing it. It's another if you have no money - you have to think about how much hardship you can handle, need a clearer plan re income, language barrier becomes more of an issue, etc.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
The increased penalties have had a marked effect. Getting a job paying cash or renting a flat for cash no ID has become very difficult.
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