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Hundreds of workers protest against Italians/Foreigners 'taking jobs'...

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Udo Erasmus said:
Well, let me tell you in West Wales, the deputy leader of the BNP was invited and did address a picket line during the Lindsey dispute.

At Straythorpe, there is video footage of the march being led by people with Unite banners chanting - 'What do we want? Foreigners OUT! When do we want it? NOW'

Udo, have you got a source for this.
Looked through internet but couldn't find any.

Cheers
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It is widely known and accepted that there were just such chants as Udo states on the Staythorpe demo - see the comments at http://www.socialistunity.com/?p=3661 for links to video's.

How widely the chant was taken up is somewhat less clear, it undoubtedly was by a few people, but not, seemingly from the vid, the large majority. It would be incredibly stupid to do what some appear to want to do here, and to bury your head in the sand and pretend there was no racism or bigotry on display. But the important thing for socialists is, surely, not to simply stand on the side and go 'woo hoo wonderful workers' nor 'boo his, racist bastards' but to intervene in any discussions going on and trying to put forward a positive way forward, as people from the unions did (not Simpson, obviously), for instance distributing leaflets in relevant local languages demanding that everyone is on full and proper blue book rates.
 
belboid said:
It is widely known and accepted that there were jsut such chants as Udo states on the Staythorpe demo - see the comments at http://www.socialistunity.com/?p=3661 for links to video's.

How widely the chant was taken up is somewhat less clear, it undoubtedly was by a few people, but not, semmingly from the vid, the large majority. It would be incredibly stupid to do what some apepar to want to do here, and to bury your head in the sand and pretend there was no racism or bigotry on display. But the important thing for socialists is, surely, not to simply stand on the side and go 'woo hoo wonderful workers' nor 'boo his, racist bastards' but to intervene in any discussions going on and trying to put forward a positive way forward, as people from the unions did (not Simpson, obviously), for instance distributing leaflets in relevant local languages demanding that everyone is on full and proper blue book rates.
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What about deputy leader of BNP asked to speak, surely they would have jumped at opportunity?
 
belboid said:
But the important thing for socialists is, surely, not to simply stand on the side and go 'woo hoo wonderful workers' nor 'boo his, racist bastards' but to intervene in any discussions going on and trying to put forward a positive way forward, as people from the unions did (not Simpson, obviously), for instance distributing leaflets in relevant local languages demanding that everyone is on full and proper blue book rates.
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yep, spot on

it is a very confused movement - demands for everyone being on the books and equal rights are coming out from the very same folk waving the BJ4BW banner. I suppose you coulds argue that BJ4BW means a very different thing to the workers involved than to those looking from the outside.
 
dennisr said:
yep, spot on

it is a very confused movement - demands for everyone being on the books and equal rights are coming out from the very same folk waving the BJ4BW banner. I suppose you coulds argue that BJ4BW means a very different thing to the workers involved than to those looking from the outside.
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agree with that last bit .. most people do not get their knickers in a twist about people calling themselves english or british

.. at enfield in the visteon dispute black and asians were happy to call themselves british and saw the idea of BJFBW as just simply calling for jobs for local people with no racial or xenophobic conatations .. i still don't like the term though
 
Have to say there were some dodgy banners on display today, 'We love Tubes, not Poles'

still don't know what patronising far left trots can do though to intervene even given the SP's good work at Lynsey, this is getting much bigger now.
 
Economy going the shape of the pair, politics is turning into a farce of its own design, unemployment rising, deflation continuing, and now sporadic strikes by workers angry at/fearful of foreign workers.

History does like these echoes through the years...

Times they are troubling as well as changing...
 
Jean-Luc said:
Go on then.
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I wouldn't give you the pleasure.

You are based in New York arn't you?

There's a film called 'The Killing Floor' (I think_ - all about the unionisation of the stock yards in Chicargo - leading up to the race riots in that city post world war. You should hunt this one out and watch it - not just for the fine blues soundtrack.
 
durruti02 said:
agree with that last bit .. most people do not get their knickers in a twist about people calling themselves english or british

.. at enfield in the visteon dispute black and asians were happy to call themselves british and saw the idea of BJFBW as just simply calling for jobs for local people with no racial or xenophobic conatations .. i still don't like the term though
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I think the reason you dont like the term is that you associate it with NF and BNP.....But the thing to remember is that they never meant it.. British people for at least the 90 years have been Black,White and Asian....
There is nothing wrong with the slogan just the way some cretins have used it.
 
dennisr said:
I wouldn't give you the pleasure.

You are based in New York arn't you?

There's a film called 'The Killing Floor' (I think_ - all about the unionisation of the stock yards in Chicargo - leading up to the race riots in that city post world war. You should hunt this one out and watch it - not just for the fine blues soundtrack.
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New York? Never beamed down there. But if you won't try to apply Hegelian dialectics to prove that BJ4BWs = Workers of All Lands Unite, try it with this one: Welsh Jobs 4 Welsh Workers. To tell the truth, I'm genuinely surprised with the extent that SPEW (good name in the circumstances) has taken this anti-foreigner line.
 
tbaldwin said:
I think the reason you dont like the term is that you associate it with NF and BNP.....But the thing to remember is that they never meant it.. British people for at least the 90 years have been Black,White and Asian....
There is nothing wrong with the slogan just the way some cretins have used it.
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In other words, British Jobs for British Workers (Black, White and Asian) but not for Polish workers? Not quite as bad I suppose as British Jobs for British Workers (White) but not for Black, Asian or Polish Workers. Or is it?
 
Jean-Luc said:
In other words, British Jobs for British Workers (Black, White and Asian) but not for Polish workers? Not quite as bad I suppose as British Jobs for British Workers (White) but not for Black, Asian or Polish Workers. Or is it?
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Poles have been in the UK for at least 60 years. The ones who are settled here consider themselves British....You still seem to want to think its xenophobic to argue for British jobs for British workers but it isnt. Its arguing that people should have the right to jobs in the places they have settled and not have to migrate for work...
 
Jean-Luc said:
:rolleyes:Is that Marx turning in his grave?
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lol did you READ Marx on the Irish coming to England and the Chinese coming to America?? he was very aware of how migration and imported workers are used to undercut wages and workers power

though btw the SP (and me) oppose the slogan BJFBW so where you get the idea dr supports it god knows
 
tbaldwin said:
I think the reason you dont like the term is that you associate it with NF and BNP.....But the thing to remember is that they never meant it.. British people for at least the 90 years have been Black,White and Asian....
There is nothing wrong with the slogan just the way some cretins have used it.
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yes i agree the NF and BNP lie when they say BJFBW ... i accept there is a strong argument from the Billy Bragg corner for a progressive British, but imho it is too dangerous to use words like this .. nations are false concepts .. and it just confuses things .. hence to lewislewis confusion, as i seem to know more about it than him with his Plaid card, i oppose welsh nationalism too whch many people see as a 'progressive nationalism'
 
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