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How much evidence is there of long term high level UK paedophile ring?

Well the other possibility other than mistaken identity is one that has long existed, that Ben Fellows is totally full of shit. However as Peter Morrison was close to one of the people who was subject to the Cook Report investigation that was at the heart of Ben Fellows claims, I will be charitable towards Fellows for now, at least on this front.
 
Hencke (Exaro) claiming that Napier's arrest unconnected with Elm House, and constitutes a separate strand of Fairbank...

However unlike reports today in the Telegraph and Mail on line today the arrest has NOTHING to do with events at the Elm Guest House, please see Exaro for an accurate account.
The Met police said: “This arrest is part of a new strand of Operation Fairbank entitled Operation Cayacos, which has now reached the criminal threshold.”
Tom Watson said :” I am extremely grateful for the dedicated team of officers of the Met Police who are investigating a number of allegations regarding child abuse. I am sure people will appreciate that we should let them continue with their forensic and comprehensive inquiries into this area.”
http://davidhencke.wordpress.com/20...ice-arrest-half-brother-of-prominent-tory-mp/
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"Operation Cayacos", eh?
 
I have read or semi-skimmed through about a quarter of the report so far. (via pdfs at http://www.wrexham.gov.uk/english/council/news/jillings.htm). The amount of redaction is a disgrace, but the report is still something. The vast bulk of what I have read so far deals with all manner of bureaucratic failings on pretty much every level. Its the usual stuff, ranging from social services being crap to all manner of staffing inadequacies and those who are paid to be responsible shirking those responsibilities.

I've only just got to the section on Bryn Estyn but in any case I have low expectations for anything of substance being included in the full report shedding substantial light on the most dramatic themes of this thread, let alone what is available in this redacted version. So I wouldn't try to make a compelling case out of anything I will be quoting from the report, but I offer up these ones anyway, and nor are all of them specifically about the sexual abuse aspects of the care failings. Also I cannot copy and paste so am having to retype these quotes, making errors possible and reducing the number of paragraphs I can be bothered to quote.


The impression gained by the Independent Panel of recruitment procedures is a cause for grave concern. Many appointments, at Bryn Estyn and indeed throughout Clwdy Social Services Department, seem in the past to have been made via informal contacts - in the case of Bryn Estyn, through the local rugby club.
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In addition residential staff were said to be "stuck in the institution". It was common practice for staff to take residents home at weekends, which was felt by some staff to be an opening for bad practice and an opportunity for abuse to occur.
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Local connections between police and Bryn Estyn staff, and shared activities such as golf and rugby, meant that, while informal contact between agencies was frequent, making allegations of abuse against colleagues was fraught with difficulty.
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We were told that Bryn Estyn was very unpopular with the local police. There was a significant amount of crime. This meant that reporting staff to the police for physical assaults on residents was felt by some staff to have been unlikely to elicit a sympathetic response. (This situation is echoed in the Police Complaints Authority review of the Leicestershire (Beck) inquiry.)
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Given what then happened to the Jillings report, this paragraph is especially poignant, especially as even now it comes straight after numerous redactions.

This serves to heighten the concerns of the Independent Panel over the conflict of interest that is apparent. On the one hand, the duties of the County Council require a commitment to open local government. They impose clear legal obligations on elected Members and local government officers in context of their statutory duties to children. On the other, the representatives of Clwyd County Council were confronted with expectations stemming from the interests of their insurers which, if followed, could, in our view, subjugate the best interests of children in case, and affect the normal course of the democratic process.
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elbows said:
Given what then happened to the Jillings report, this paragraph is especially poignant, especially as even now it comes straight after numerous redactions.
This serves to heighten the concerns of the Independent Panel over the conflict of interest that is apparent. On the one hand, the duties of the County Council require a commitment to open local government. They impose clear legal obligations on elected Members and local government officers in context of their statutory duties to children. On the other, the representatives of Clwyd County Council were confronted with expectations stemming from the interests of their insurers which, if followed, could, in our view, subjugate the best interests of children in case, and affect the normal course of the democratic process.
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Well, in a way, it's the insurers who are the real victims here.
 
Just to remind people, this was Municipal Mutual/Zurich Municipal. And it was Royal and Sun Alliance who refused to release key documents and other evidence to the Independent Hillsborough Panel.
 
There is quite a section in the 2nd pdf where the panel complain about a variety of insurance-related matters, but I have run out of quoting oomph for tonight.
 
In other Fernbridge news from July that I'm just catching up on:

Former Elm Guest House manager 'Harry' Kasir was arrested on suspicion of possessing indecent images of children:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/former-manager-vip-paedophile-ring-2051971

And the two previously arrested, the children's home deputy and the priest, have been charged:

http://www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/...toric_child_abuse_under_Operation_Fernbridge/

Mr Stingemore, who lives in East Sussex, will face eight counts of indecent assault, two of taking indecent images of a child and one of conspiracy with persons unknown to commit buggery.

Mr McSweeney, a Roman Catholic priest from Norfolk, has been charged with three counts of indecent assault, one of taking indecent images of a child, three of making indecent images of a child and one of possessing indecent images of a child.

The charges relate to seven victims, all aged between nine and 15 years when the alleged offences took place during the 70s and 80s.
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Thatcher Cabinet stifled Kincora child sex abuse inquiry 30 years ago

The minutes of the Cabinet meeting (see http://bit.ly/19zxFqT ) reveal on 10 November 1983 Jim Prior, then Northern Ireland Secretary, proposed not to have a full Tribunal of Inquiry – the same mechanism, used to investigate the Bloody Sunday atrocities, the North Wales child abuse scandal and the Dunblane massacre.

The minutes reveal the Cabinet – who included the now all ennobled Leon Brittan, then home secretary, Michael Heseltine,defence secretary and Norman Fowler, social services secretary, bought the Royal Ulster Constabulary line that there was nothing in it. He said he was being “pressed to hold an inquiry under the Tribunals of Inquiry”. But he didn’t believe Parliament would buy it.

But he said two police investigations had discovered nothing and no further criminal charges were likely.

Instead he proposed to hold a much lesser inquiry, which he did later, to, as he put it “to halt further spread of rumour and unfounded allegations.”
This particular Cabinet minute now looks sick in view of the decision of the Police Service in Northern Ireland to re-open an investigation into the historic allegations at the children’s home where children were sexually abused in the 1970s and early 1980s. As Fiona O’Cleirigh reported on Exaro News the scandal will now be re-opened.

The question is were Thatcher’s Cabinet in 1983 hopelessly naive or were they covering up something they did not want to be ruthlessly exposed in the public domain.
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Thanks Butchers. That should be dynamite, but what attention seems to show is that child abuse is much less important when celebrities aint in the frame.

"The question is were Thatcher’s Cabinet in 1983 hopelessly naive or were they covering up something they did not want to be ruthlessly exposed in the public domain."
Given one particular name that has come up on this thread with rather unpleasant, if far from conclusive evidence, and given how frequently that name gets mentioned elsewhere, at least part of the answer would appear to lurk in the latter given suggestion.
 
Any cover up was likely to go well beyond personal motivations, and although that could be one aspect there would likely be a range of both political and state intelligence related motivations, especially in that particular case.

Most of the press seem really uninterested in reporting this stuff. In some cases its likely because there isn't enough to say and their hands may be somewhat tied by ongoing investigations and other legal considerations. But even so I do not find the level of interest shown to be anything approaching acceptable, though I'm not exactly shocked that its panning out this way.
 
There have been some posts on the usual conspiracy sites in recent days that suggest Ben Fellows was recently arrested, questioned and bailed on suspicion of perverting the course of justice. This is not terribly surprising, although I know of no details about exactly which of his antics may have landed him in hot water. The fake drama of the 'he's gone missing' shit and the articles about probably mistaken identity regarding his most sensational claim appear to have somewhat eroded the level of support for him among some of those who continue to pay attention to sex abuse stories in sloppy and conspiracy-laced fashion, although he still seems to be a welcome guest at some destinations on the conspiracy circuit.
 
David Hencke decides it's worth exploring a post on another blog by Chris Faye who worked for NAYPIC back in the day. Those interested in possible links between Elm Guest House and Kincora, people like Sir Anthony Blunt, cabinet interest in the investigations and the nature of the police raid and special branch questioning about Elm Guest House should take a look.

http://davidhencke.wordpress.com/2013/08/12/kincora-a-small-footnote-to-history/

As for the blog he links to, its one of the more interesting ones on the subject, but still has the odd iffy moment if memory serves me correctly. Note that there is more than one contributor to that blog, which may explain the variable quality.
 
Just for the sake of completeness I should probably point out that two characters who come up when looking at the establishment, spies and historical cases of abuse, Anthony Blunt and Geoffrey Prime, get discussed in the Adam Curtis blog post about MI5 being crap which got its own thread on u75 recently.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/adamcurtis/posts/BUGGER

Curtis does not dwell on that side of Blunt at all, just the media attitude towards his homosexuality, but does focus on the abuses carried out by Geoffrey Prime.

Prime was a paedophile - and had used spying techniques to monitor the activities of thousands of young girls around Cheltenham. He had created a vast set of index cards which showed when the girls were most likely to be alone at home. He then went round to their houses in his two tone Cortina and sexually assaulted them.
Despite this Prime had been positively vetted six times.
Even the Russians got worried about his paedophile activities and seemed to want to dump him. In 1980 Prime had gone to Vienna to meet the KGB. Instead of meeting him secretly as they normally did, the Russians took him openly to the best restaurants where they knew Western intelligence agents would recognise them as KGB agents.
But even then noone noticed them - or Prime.
Prime's wife Rhona wrestled with her conscience - and in the end went to the police and told them everything about Prime. He was sent to jail for 35 years for spying and 3 years for the assaults on young girls - which says a lot about the priorities of the British establishment at that time.
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This blog has been publishing historical media articles related to child abuse for ages:

http://spotlightonabuse.wordpress.com

I post it now because in recent weeks, skimming past a range of tabloid stories about various abuse cases over multiple decades that also feature on the site, there are to be found a bunch of articles from the likes of Private Eye and Lobster. The most recently posted private eye ones are a range of Paul Foot articles about North Wales abuse coverups and government inaction, originally published in 1996 and 1997. And then some Kincora ones from 1987 and 1988. And a Clockwork Orange one from 1990. Scrolling further past some unrelated articles shows a few more Kincora ones here and there, with Anthony Blunt coming up a few times. Scroll considerably further past other stuff and a bunch of retyped Kincora articles from Lobster issues 1-6 (1983-1984) will show up.
 
Oh and even further back on that blog there is this:

In a November 1989 interview with Community Care, a social work magazine, Edwina Currie revealed that many MPs didn’t believe in the existence of child sexual abuse.
“She describes conversations with colleagues in the House of Commons tea-room – “really nice, decent colleagues, members of parliament” – who would scoff at the suggestions that adults can and do abuse children. For them, it was all nonsense dreamt up by silly social workers.”
Edwina was speaking out about this disgraceful state of affairs because she had a book to sell. A few years later she had another book to sell, and to help shift more copies she had saved up revelations about Sir Peter Morrison MP being a paedophile, or in her words “a noted pederast”. She also said that “there was a culture of sniggering” about child rape, which had stopped her or any of her colleagues from reporting Morrison’s crimes to the police while he was alive.
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Note that the blog is prolific in its postings, and jumps around between many different stories, so even though I keep going on about scrolling even further back that Currie one was only posted there on July 11th. I've not been able to keep up with it at all, especially as a lot of the detail in the tabloid stories are repetitive once you are familiar with the people in question and how stuff was reported at the time. But just going crazy with the scrollbar a moment ago I note another batch of Kincora related stories posted on that blog around April 22nd, mostly from the Irish Times over a period in the first half of the 1980's. And then shortly after a bunch of Elm Guest House stories from Capital Gay in 1982 which I haven't looked at yet.
 
The Capital Gay articles make it clear that the Elm Guest House stuff was seen, at least by that publication, as an unfair police attack on a gay business, with a subsequent feeding frenzy by the 'straight press'.

This is not exactly surprising and illustrates a complication we've talked about before. Indeed scrolling a little further shows some of the tabloid articles from 1982 with headlines which illustrate not just that aspect of the reporting but also that the sort of names featured in the guestbook were probably known at the time.

eg a Daily Star headline from August 1982 'MPs signed in at the gay house'. Or a Daily Mail article from the same day which included this bit:


'Yesterday a teenager who used to work at the building known as the Elm Guest House said : 'Police took away the visitors' book when they came round on the raid.'

'It had all the names and addresses of all the people who came here. I know there was talk about MPs and other important people who came here, though I can't say I recognised or knew any of them myself.'
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The Sun on the same day went quite a bit further with a headline of 'MPs on vice charges soon?' and allegations about a 10 year old being 'on offer'. Customers are alleged to include three MPs, a member of the Buckingham Palace staff, lawyers and doctors'. It then discusses high-level coverup claims by detectives closely linked to the case.

A day earlier the Sunday Times went with a 'Gay security threat denied' headline, and the News of the World also went with cover-up and child sex stuff.

At least one of the stories from the time also mentions that Spartacus publication.

Anyways I will stop trying to summarise these articles now since its not a revelation that newspapers ran with this stuff at the time, and mostly any useful impact comes from being able to see the actual articles from the time in full. If you want to check them out for yourself then they appeared on that blog on dates such as April 11th and 12th.
 
Thanks :). Not much actual news though, mostly decades old news but it still helps build a picture I guess.
 
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