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How much evidence is there of long term high level UK paedophile ring?

I have a older friend who was a foster mother to many many kids who had been in care who were telling her their experiences in North Wales, she helped break the story..
 
i dont know if this has been posted, but ben fellows has posted recordings of his police interviews on his youtube channel benfellows170.

The informal one shot in his frontroom is particularly disturbing, he talks about widespread child abuse in the entertainment industry, naming various celebrities as complicit and a hollywood filmstar outright as being a rapist. The responses of the detectives are very interesting in themselves like the ambiguous phrase 'if he does a mcalpine', towards the end the police are venturing names unprompted - can you tell us about person x.
 
We have been in contact with whistleblower Ben Fellows’ wife on the disappearance of her husband. Please read the following article and get this out to as many people as possible, we all want Ben to return to his family safely.
At the recent UK Column conference, Ben was informed by Dave Eden, a former CID detective, that his wife was in immediate danger as a result of Ben’s work. It was made clear that Ben should have an “exit strategy”.
On Thursday 23rd of May, after the attacks in Woolwich (approximately half a mile from the Fellows residence), Ben and his wife returned home from visiting friends to find that their flat had been broken in to. Nothing appeared to be stolen.
At 11:30pm that evening, the phone rang and an anonymous man told Ben to look outside his window to the other side of the street. A man in a black ski mask stood there on a mobile phone, the caller said “What happened to that soldier today is what is going to happen to you”
By the 28th of May, Ben and his wife decided to leave London and to drive to a safe house. On arrival to the safe house, the couple were told that the safe house had been compromised, so Ben decided to leave on his own for fear of harm coming to his wife. He arranged to stay with a friend at a location known to Ben and his Wife.
However, nothing has been heard from Ben since he left on the 28th of May. This morning (3rd of June), Ben Fellows’ wife received word from the friend whom Ben was to stay with, who alerted her that Ben never arrived.
We are now attempting to contact various resources to see if anyone in the intelligence network has any details on Ben’s location.
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http://libertytactics.com/2013/06/urgent-ben-fellows-missing/
 
butchersapron said:
Hmmm, attempting to drum up a bit of interest do you think?
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Not wishing to come across as an unsympathetic bastard, but yes. This leech has been riding the whole issue for ages, forever coming out with barely-substantiable or unsubstantiable claims and putting himself forward as an "expert". So, milking an event to publicise himself is highly likely.
 
Well his own attempts at internet radio shows, videos, twitter accounts etc seem to have fallen pretty quiet for months now, so I think he may have realised he wasnt going to get a mass following on his own channels. As far as I know he was still doing the rounds of other peoples crap conspiracy radio shows etc.

In any case he probably upped the ante more recently by posting long recordings of police detectives talking to him in his own home. I couldnt sustain enough interest to watch them because of his track record, the sound quality not being great and as usual for these types he totally failed to edit the video down to something that featured the salient points, eg some of the stuff various people claimed the police said. In any case I doubt it was a very good move, and a range of possibilities now exist ranging from him winding himself up into a state where persecution by the authorities is imagined, or to a certain limited extent could even really be happening.

Put it this way, as of a very tedious interview with his wife from a couple of days ago, she had not contacted the police to report him as being missing. Claims this is because she doesnt trust the police much because of what they said when they were round their house, that 'protected people' would not be investigated. Further claims that for now the best way to keep Ben safe is to get this story out. Nuff said eh, pretty transparent motivations at this point, though I dont utterly rule out further twists in future.
 
Ah ok thanks folks for some background. A mate posted it on FB and I thought wtf? and then posted it here...
 
Basically he is into New World Order shit and his message is appealing to the web of politically dubious blogs that have been fixating on the child abuse stuff since it exploded post-Savile (and some long before that). Such blogs are sometimes able to stumble on some interesting stuff, usually historical, but they tend to be infested with homophobia, anti-semitism and the usual array of disempowering drivel and paranoia. There are exceptions to a certain extent but not many, especially since quality news on this front has mostly dried up.
 
at the same time though elbows, there is a serious danger in judging him a liar on the basis that he's ended up going very CTer in recent years.

Who's to say that he didn't become interested in that side of things as a reaction to the stuff he claims to have happened to him as a kid?

It all seems pretty off to me that in one part of the thread everyone's criticising the authorities for dismissing the claims of dozens / hundreds of kids re historic child abuse over a period of several decades on the basis that they lack credibility, then as soon as someone comes out and directly makes similarly unlikely sounding allegations about high profile politicians, actors etc many of the same people decide to judge his allegations on the basis that he lacks credibility as a witness.
 
also if even half of what he's alleged is true, and even half the stuff linked to and discussed in this thread is true, then it's entirely plausible that the guy could have been either threatened, or taken out entirely and will rock up as an apparent suicide in the not too distant future.

There are several examples over the years of people who were trying to, or in a position to expose these pedophile networks dying in pretty suspicious circumstances with allegations that they were killed to shut them up.

So while scepticism is healthy, I'd not be too quick to judge on this - while not discounting the possibility that the guy could have just wound himself up into a state of extreme paranoia, or as butch suggests is doing all of this entirely cynically to drum up interest in him / his site etc.
 
I have made no claims as to whether in my opinion his allegations have any truth to them. His conduct does not help his credibility, but I am aware that a judgement about perceived credibility is not actually the same as whether there is any truth to some stuff he says. As an outsider who was not witness to the situation he described, what I require is evidence, investigation, other victims, etc.

In the meantime I have no qualms about filling others in as to his apparent worldview and stuff he has said and done in recent years.

Personally I have zero opinion as to the validity of his most spectacular claim, but I have little trouble in believing that certain aspects of a culture he describes as having experienced as a young actor are, or were, a real part of that world. And I do have some sympathy for those that try with wide-eyed earnest to expose that stuff and discover that people are less interested or less surprised than expected, that such exposures go nowhere. I also have sympathy with those who are damaged in a way that causes their worldview to go a bit wonky or a variety of personality issues to develop. But that doesnt mean I am going to withhold criticism about dodgy politics and stuff that hopes or claims to be an empowering struggle against dodgy forces but actually ends up a disempowering mess that fails to really promote a better world.
 
As for his disappearance, I have considered a range of possibilities. I make no apology for judging which one I find most likely, especially given his wifes performance in an interview, but I would hope my earlier posts demonstrate that I am still open to the other possibilities.

I dont particularily recommend anyone waste their time listening to the interview, but as I've made reference to it several times I suppose I shall post the link.
 
Oh surprise, surprise, according to the same website that did that video, Ben has 'made contact. Still in hiding but in good health'.
 
I removed the video of the interview with her since he reported in anyway, and Im not comfortable linking to stuff that repeats his claims.
 
I dont have access to full Exaro articles at the moment (saving the few credits I have for hopefully more dramatic turns to come in future as I am well poor at the moment). But according to this summary, Boris Johnson has said that Fernbridge is 'going well', and Operation Torva looking at abuse at Catholic Salesians order schools has expanded to include a Scottish highlands former boarding school.

http://www.exaronews.com/articles/4990/met-s-operation-fernbridge-is-going-well-says-boris-johnson
 
elbows said:
I dont have access to full Exaro articles at the moment (saving the few credits I have for hopefully more dramatic turns to come in future as I am well poor at the moment). But according to this summary, Boris Johnson has said that Fernbridge is 'going well', and Operation Torva looking at abuse at Catholic Salesians order schools has expanded to include a Scottish highlands former boarding school.

http://www.exaronews.com/articles/4990/met-s-operation-fernbridge-is-going-well-says-boris-johnson
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Thanks for that update; ditto on the access to Exaro issue.

Not sure that I'm very heartened by Johnson's description; it does rather beg the question "for whom"?
 
elbows said:
Basically he is into New World Order shit and his message is appealing to the web of politically dubious blogs that have been fixating on the child abuse stuff since it exploded post-Savile (and some long before that). Such blogs are sometimes able to stumble on some interesting stuff, usually historical, but they tend to be infested with homophobia, anti-semitism and the usual array of disempowering drivel and paranoia. There are exceptions to a certain extent but not many, especially since quality news on this front has mostly dried up.
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For my own selfish and personal reasons, I get royally fucked off with these types who use issues like this to grandstand on. The least of those reasons is the fact that, by behaving like this, this cockend plays into the narrative of those who would have it that anyone disclosing abuse after so long is doing it only for attention/compensation/a way to settle a score.
 
pissflaps said:
that site is tin foil hattery gold. and awfully written...
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Parts of the article originally from The Times/AFP and reproduced here on an Aussie News site


A leading member of Jersey's political establishment was confirmed by police yesterday as among those named as an abuser.

Wilfred Krichefski, a senator in Jersey's Government and chairman of several committees on the British Channel island, was said to have regularly visited Haut de la Garenne to abuse boys until his death in 1974.
Living members of the island's establishment, who cannot be named for legal reasons, have also been identified as suspects.

One former resident has claimed he was repeatedly raped at the children's home by Krichefski in 1962 and 1963.


The man, now in his late 50s and living in the West Midlands of England, said that every month, he and another boy would be taken into a back room at the home and abused by two men.
The former resident said he would be woken by a care worker with the words: "There is someone here to see you".

The only person he told about the abuse was a psychiatrist who told him that he would be placed in a mental hospital if he repeated the allegations.

The activities of more than 40 suspects are being monitored by police as detectives confirmed they had received complaints of abuse that allegedly took place only months ago.
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http://www.news.com.au/newstest2/ar...r-childrens-home/story-e6frfkyi-1111115704573
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin_Black_Book#Publishing_and_campaign_against_homosexuality

This is interesting. The Berlin Black Book, said to contain the names of 47,000 "perverts" in the British Ruling Class. Perverts in this instance is likely a synonym for homosexual. It came up in the libel action between Pemberton Billing and a dancer he accused of being a lesbian, on the basis of this book, called Maud Allan.

I mention it because even though it's clearly a piece of wartime black propoganda, being used by a right-wing demagogue to promote his career and ego, after the war it formed part of the basis of a folk tradition that the ruling classes of Britain were all peadophiles and that secretly there were lists of them and what they got upto hidden away. I've seen it mentioned in passing once or twice when I was reading up on the histories of all the uprisings and strikes that took place in the post world war 1 period, it's something bubbling away underneath all the formal grievances. AJP Taylor mentions it too:

Among the names were those of Mr and Mrs Asquith (as also of Darling, the judge who conducted, or misconducted, the case); not, however, that of Lloyd George. The case, though no doubt trivial, was a striking illustration of the disrepute into which the governing class had fallen.
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The Oxford History of England Vol. 15: English History 1914-45 page 103

I mention it just because is it fair to say these sorts of folk stories about peadophile rings in high places have a long history as a way in which to articulate a more vague set of greivances with the ruling class? And furthermore are these sorts of things more likely to take place in periods of recession and high unemployment, as is the case now and as was the case then?
 
Well quite a few of the foul blogs I mention were around before Savile, and there was a pretty steady stream of specific accusations and more general conspiracy drool about this stuff to be found online dating back many years. Given that the post-Savile shitstorm and both related and unrelated investigations have provided new attention and a little new detail for these people to feed on, I find it hard to judge what role recession etc has had.

In much the same way I cannot grasp the exact extent to which the banking crisis has encouraged the wider spectrum of conspiracy theorists and their followers - there is clear narrative overlap potential and examples of career conspiracy theorists using this stuff to say 'told you so', but what proportion of people who were angry about banking in a manner that made them fodder for Icke etc is hard to judge. I suppose I can be reasonably sure that it hasn't had a huge and dramatic impact because over time the visible anger from people about both bankers and paedophiles has not been sustained at anything close to its initial volume, the 'public imagination' was titillated but not in a manner that appears to have changed the overall political equations, at least not in the conspiracy, non-mainstream manner that the darkest and most sinister of these paranoid world views require to feed off for massive political gain. So I am more tempted to see any wider-ranging implications being more along the lines of a slight addition to the cynicism that already existed and has built up over many years. That and some mainstream 'changes in attitude' towards child abuse etc that is handled in a distinctly non-conspiracy-minded manner, which the political classes recognise and are presently keen to at least be seeing to respond to properly, via policing and inquiries.
 
Just had a little look to see if there had been any Fernbridge-related stories in the press this month. Unsurprisingly nothing substantial turned up but there were a couple of snippets that suggest things are still moving forwards and that my earlier assumptions about police being keen to avoid accusations of a coverup are at least somewhat valid:

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/319561/Stars-in-child-sex-warning/

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Mr Williams-Thomas said police are determined to avoid any accusations of cover-ups.​
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He said detectives working on Operations Yewtree, about Savile and his associates, and Fairbank and Fernbridge, examining alleged child abuse by politicians at the former Elm Guest House, are pursuing multiple big names.​
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The investigator tweeted: “I can tell you that where evidence exists Op Yewtree & Op Fairbank will pursue anyone – no matter who they are & this is being done.​
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“Lots going on with all types of people being looked at.”​
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Scotland Yard is pursuing more than 300 lines of inquiry in its investigation into allegations that a VIP paedophile ring abused children in care during the 1980s.

The figure suggests that Operation Fernbridge, the investigation centred on historic allegations of abuse at the Elm Guest House in Barnes, south-west London, is a bigger inquiry than previously acknowledged and could lead to the identification of dozens of potential victims.
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A Freedom of Information response containing the figure also reveals that seven officers are involved in the investigation – compared with 77 on Operation Weeting, the inquiry into the News of the World phone hacking scandal.

Operation Fernbridge, which according to the FOI has so far cost £25,000 compared with the £11.2m cost of Weeting, was launched in January as a full-scale criminal investigation following an earlier “scoping exercise” – a preliminary assessment of evidence concerning the alleged paedophile ring.
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As for a certain allegation by Ben Fellows:

http://davidhencke.wordpress.com/2013/06/22/an-unfounded-and-false-allegation/


This weekend Exaro News has published a story by me where a prominent figure has been falsely accused of indecently assaulting a teenage boy. Exceptionally in this case I had personal knowledge of the events surrounding the incident and knew enough about them to give a statement to the Met Police Paedophile Unit. As a result of my statement and statements from others the police cleared the person.

The full story is behind the pay wall at Exaro News (http://www.exaronews.com and http://bit.ly/11vfyOn). Like the false accusation against Lord McAlpine, this is another case of mistaken identity.
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elbows said:
As for a certain allegation by Ben Fellows:

http://davidhencke.wordpress.com/2013/06/22/an-unfounded-and-false-allegation/
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Interesting and encouraging. One remove from Righton brings the OB closer to the 'senior figures':-

Notorious paedophile Peter Righton boasted of links to powerful figures in government, according to new testimony from one of his victims, the Sunday People reports.
Speaking out for the first time, the man claims Righton’s evil network stretched to the top of the UK establishment.
As well as naming a senior UK politician, the victim also told us Righton – once the most respected childcare expert in Britain – brought him into contact with paedophile MP Cyril Smith.
He said: “People have talked about a paedophile ring working in the UK.
“This was not just a ring – it’s more like the Olympic rings, interlocking on a large scale. It went everywhere. I believe it went to the heart of the Establishment.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/new-victim-links-notorious-paedophile-1815932
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e2a : in response to previous post about Exaro & Napier.:oops:
 
Regarding the Ben Fellows mistaken identity thing. Guess who it might have actually been? Sir Peter Morrison.
 
elbows said:
Regarding the Ben Fellows mistaken identity thing. Guess who it might have actually been? Sir Peter Morrison.
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