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How much evidence is there of long term high level UK paedophile ring?

Another Smith story I missed earlier this month:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-21364579

Fears that Sir Cyril Smith was sexually abusing boys were reported to police four years before an investigation was opened, it has been claimed.

Social worker Lyndon Price said he raised the issue with the chief constable of Rochdale in 1965.

Mr Price, director of social services in Rochdale from 1971 to 84, said that Chief Constable Patrick Ross later told him no action would be taken.
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"He was concerned that there were irregularities in the disciplinary practices being undertaken by Councillor Smith - I don't want to enlarge what they were, but they gave me considerable cause for concern because I thought the wellbeing of the young people in the hostel was in jeopardy," said Mr Price.
"I made up my mind within a day or so to contact the chief constable."
Mr Price said he received a "surprising" reply when he contacted Patrick Ross, chief constable of the now defunct Rochdale Borough Police.
"I thought his words at the time were rather unusual: he said, 'It has been decided that we will take no further action' - not 'I have decided'," said Mr Price.
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Adding to the multi-variate clusterfuck that is this month's news for the LDs, Henke and Exaro continue to pick away at the scab of a LD cover-up of the 1980's abuse of children in the care of LBoRuT:-

http://davidhencke.wordpress.com/20...buse-in-richmond-childrens-director/#comments

This time specifically posing questions about (LD Baroness) Jenny Tonge's knowledge of the abuse...

The anmesia among politicians about the child sexual abuse scandal in Richmond Council is looking less and less credible by the day. Now Terry Earland, the former assistant director of children’s services at Richmond, has told my colleague Mark Conrad that he held regular briefings with Jenny Tonge, Liberal social services chair and her deputy at the time – now believed to be dead- about child abuse problems. In article in Exaro News( http://bit.ly/WQQz7M) where Mr Earland gives a long interview. He makes it is absolutely clear that he briefed both senior politicians and officials in the social services department about the issue.
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Similarly he says he did tell Louis Minster, social services director later prematurely retired by Jenny Tonge, about sexual abuse at Elm Guest House in 1982. This directly contradicts Mr Minster’s statement that he knew nothing about it. He also says it was well-known inside Richmond Council after 1983 that sexual abuse of children was going on. This is when the Liberal Democrats took over from the Tories.
When you consider that two boys have now told the police that one of the abusers was Sir Cyril Smith, the Liberal MP, whose death will mean he will escape prosecution, it is doubly tragic.
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When, eventually, the Elm House victims see some justice, the fall out for the coaltion partners looks grave.
 
I'm not surprised its gone quiet on this front for a while. Just looking back for any scraps of info during March I found this:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...k-from-notorious-paedophile-ring-8518522.html

Scores of children might have been protected from kidnap, rape and indecent assault if the police had smashed an alleged establishment paedophile ring operating at a suburban house in London in the 1980s.
At least three men listed in documents as visitors to Elm Guest House in Rocks Lane, Barnes, were later convicted of multiple sex offences against children, The Independent can disclose.​
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Anthony Milsom, a paedophile from Hull, who is alleged to have stayed at the property, later moved to Newtown, Powys, where he was convicted of a string of sex offences dating back to the 1990s, including 21 counts of making indecent photographs of children and five counts of indecent assault on a girl when she was aged between 4 and eight. He was jailed indefinitely at Mold Crown Court in March 2011, but six months later appeal court judges reduced his sentence to three-and-a-half years. Another alleged visitor was Colin Peters, a Foreign Office barrister, who was jailed in 1989 for being part of a network which molested hundreds of boys. Reports at the time said the ring "was used by highly placed civil servants and well-known public officials".​
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The most infamous alleged visitor to Elm Guest House was Warwick Spinks, a violent paedophile who in 1995 was jailed for a series of sexual offences on boys, including serious sexual assault at knifepoint, taking a child without lawful authority and taking indecent images of children. Lewes Crown Court heard that he had he drugged a 14-year-old boy and "sold him" to a gay brothel in Amsterdam.​

According to documents kept by a former children's worker, visitors to the property included the Soviet spy Sir Anthony Blunt and the late Liberal MP Cyril Smith, who is now thought by Manchester police to have assaulted teenage boys.
Another was Sir Peter Hayman, Britain's former High Commissioner in Canada.
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In November 1983 Sir Leon Brittan, the Home Secretary, was given the dossier by the late Geoffrey Dickens, as part of his campaign against the Paedophile Information Exchange.

Asked by The Independent this week what the dossier alleged and what action, if any, he took, Sir Leon, a QC and later European Commissioner, replied by email: "I have no recollection of these matters. Sorry!"
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/vip-child-sex-ring-victims-1768956
Those abused by a child sex ring linked to alleged VIP paedophiles last night blasted the “inadequate, ill-conceived” support offered since a fresh police probe began, the Sunday People reports.
One said that after re-living harrowing memories of being molested three decades ago he was simply handed a list of charity phone numbers to call himself.
The man, who we are calling Sam, told Exaro, the investigative website: “The trauma caused by the police contacting people over events that took place 30 years ago is worse than the event itself.
“The police did conduct the interview with sensitivity. It is the system that fails. It is essential that support is put in place immediately after a historical trawl.”
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Sam told detectives six weeks ago how he had been molested while in a care home at the centre of abuse claims, reported by the Sunday People, which date back to 1982 but are now being re-investigated.
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Meanwhile a second victim, who asked not to be named, has spoken of the devastating effects of re-living his ordeal and the lack of support in place.
He has told police how he was in care as a boy at Grafton Close and taken to the nearby Elm guest house – an alleged paedophile brothel used by public figures – to be sexually abused.
He told Exaro: “I have had to obtain a victim support person myself. He phones me once a week to see how I am coping.
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Bad to hear of victims not getting enough support, but at least we now know that at least two victims of the care home & guest house have been speaking to police this time around.
 
Ironically reported by the Times ...

Police files on celebrities and politicians accused of sex assault were so heavily protected that officers investigating claims could not access them, it has been reported.

Information on high profile suspects was marked as "secret" or "restricted" and only available to a small number of officers - a system which may have helped prolific offenders such as Jimmy Saville escape prosecution, The Times has said.

The approach to sensitive files was designed to stop officers from leaking information to the media.

The issue of detectives being unable to access relevant intelligence was highlighted in a report on the effectiveness of the Police National Database (PND) in the wake of the Savile scandal. It came after complaints about Saville made to different police forces across the country while the TV presenter was still alive were not able to be shared by detectives.

Metropolitan Police Commander Peter Spindler confirmed to the newspaper that famous people were protected by high levels of confidentiality built into intelligence systems.
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http://uk.news.yahoo.com/celebs-protected-over-sex-claims-040321152.html#KRKnSly
 
According to Exaro, police have reopened their investigation into Kincora boys home.

http://www.exaronews.com/articles/4904/police-re-open-files-on-child-sex-abuse-at-kincora-boys-home

The Sunday People wrote a story based on this, mostly consisting of historical background info and a little bit about the public inquiry.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/police-re-open-child-sex-abuse-1781425

It appears to me that these publications have a far greater appetite to run stories about all of this stuff than they have fresh info to report in recent weeks. Fair play to them for keeping it up but dont expect to hear much of substance at the moment I'm afraid.
 
free spirit said:
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There are other hints coming out at the moment, such as an aside in the Panorama report on Savile last night by Merion Jones who's Aunt ran Duncroft girls school, which he apparently visited as a kid, describing it as.



wtf were celebrities and minor royals doing hanging around at an institutional residential girls school, particularly one where it now turns out that Savile was routinely abusing probably dozens of underage girls in the same time period.

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There are also persistent comments from multiple sources about either the involvement or knowledge of MI5 in some capacity.

This is alleged to have begun in Northern Ireland at Kincora boys school in the 70s when a worker at the school who was also a loyalist commander as well as being a child abuser (eventually convicted) is alleged to have been an MI5 informant, with MI5 effectively blackmailing him with the child abuse evidence to force him to act as their informant, as well as using the school as a honey trap to give them dirt on other targets to force them into informing for them as well.

These allegations continue into at least the welsh situation, essentially alleging that again MI5 either used these homes as honey traps to get them incriminating evidence against people they wanted to force to work for them, or at least being aware of what was going on and choosing to use the evidence to gain them informants instead of putting a stop to it.

I've not really found hard evidence against MI5 on this, but this is a persistent claim that's been going on for 3 decades, originating apparently with a security services source who was then forced out for revealing it - it's been reported on by Private Eye, Scallywag and I think Channel 4 news at various points. In light of some of the other stuff the security services got up to in Northern Ireland in the pursuit of gaining and keeping touts in both camps, I'd say this part of the allegation is pretty credible, and if they did it there, it's fairly likely they'd have repeated the same methods elsewhere IMO.

It's worth bearing in mind here that similar situations have been exposed in recent years elsewhere in Europe, so it wouldn't be without precedent.
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a number of the kids who were abused at kincora claim they were brought to abuse parties in england attended by the high and mighty .

you can get an idea of how useful the kincora beast William Mcgrath was to the intelligence services here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_McGrath

The british intelligence officer who tried to expose it was colin wallace . Wallace, a psychological warfare expert, was then forced out of the British army accused of passing on confidential army info to journalists . The british government finally admitted some years ago he was authorized by army top brass to leak this info as part of his disinformation job, and that government ministers had misled parliament on the issue .He received financial compensation .
Kicked out of the army he was then framed for killing an associate, something he was later cleared of by modern forensics . A home office pathologist admitted at his retrial that some of the evidence used to wrongfully convict wallace had been supplied by the US security services, making all this even murkier .
2 names that keep popping up around kincora are Ted Heath and Louis Mountbatten .
 
A similar suggestion was made in Private Eye and probably elsewhere a very long time ago about a member of Thatchers government.
 
Idris2002 said:
When PIRA killed Mountbatten, they also killed a 14 year old boy working on his boat at the time. . .
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local lore has it that whenever he took his Irish holiday in co donegal he always asked for a young chap to be supplied to him as a deckhand and sailing companion . Which the local protestant community dutifully supplied .
Dont know how much truth there is to that but its been commonly repeated ever since i was a kid . Bearing in mind it suited a lot of people here to portray him as a nonce as well as an imperialist shite I dont know what to make of it . But it wouldnt surprise me if he was .
 
Minnie_the_Minx said:
The 14-year old was his grandson. The other lad was 15, according to this

One of the earl's twin grandsons, Nicholas, 14, and Paul Maxwell, 15, a local employed as a boat boy, also died in the explosion.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/august/27/newsid_2511000/2511545.stm

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Casually Red said:
local lore has it that whenever he took his Irish holiday in co donegal he always asked for a young chap to be supplied to him as a deckhand and sailing companion . Which the local protestant community dutifully supplied .
Dont know how much truth there is to that but its been commonly repeated ever since i was a kid . Bearing in mind it suited a lot of people here to portray him as a nonce as well as an imperialist shite I dont know what to make of it . But it wouldnt surprise me if he was .
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I don't know what to make of it either.
 
his name has been frequently whispered surrounding kincora for a very long time . Not proof of anything at all and like i said it suits plenty of people here to portray him as a nonce . Except it seems the source of these rumours originated on the other side so to speak which lend them a bit more credibilty.

Its worth bearing in mind that although McGrath is commonly referred to as a paramilitary his shadowy TARA outfit werent actually involved in physical force stuff and was a mainly middle and upper class affair, more akin to Ross McWhirters ultra right sect . It sought to influence people, organisations and events behind the scenes . Not engaging in any rough stuff per se . McGrath was rubbing shoulders just as much with the upper crust landed gentry and MPs as he was with paisleyites and headbangers . And its believed he was an MI5 asset years before the troubles even broke out . It definitely appears that more than a few of those he rubbed shoulders with did indeed share his tastes for young boys and kincora was the ideal vehicle for compromising them politically .
Theres no doubt his fellow fascist , Red Hand commando leader John McKeague was a political and sexual sadist with an unending appetite for young men . One reason why theres an omerta is more than a few of the vulnerable young men there ended up as loyalist recruits . Michael Stone being one notorious example . And his own relationship with the intelligence services has long been pondered .
 
Idris2002 said:
You'd think that if he had been given to noncery, there would be a record of this in the local lore also. . .
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My paternal grandad, a career soldier who served in India and Burma before the war (European theatre during), kept in touch with his armycontacts when he left in '52, disliked Mountbatten as a glory-hunter (always pushing combined-forces operations that would play well with the media, even if they had a heavy human cost), and what he heard from oppos who were there after VJ day until partition was that both Mountbatten and his missus were sexual predators whom the army and MI6 had to run around after, clearing up their messes. Both of them were into teenage boys, sometimes sharing them, and a lot of people had to be paid off.
For some strange reason, scarcely a mention of Mountbatten's numerous underage peccadiloes made it into Ziegler's monstrous biographical tome. :)
 
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