How much evidence is there of long term high level UK paedophile ring?
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DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
I'm looking at this with a tired head so try to forgive me if this is nothing BUT....on www.exaronews.com there is a 'securedropbox' feature. Now firstly they should be compelling submitters to be using Tor and not relying on SSL. Even the Guardian does this and they're very poor at security (https://securedrop.theguardian.com/).
What mainly concerns me is there is no valid SSL certificate. This could be an indicator that a 3rd party is intercepting it's traffic....in a rather cack handed way. I.e anything sent or any contact made would be eavesdropped on or even modified/deleted.
This could be just a technical fuck up but jesus fucking wept of all of the sites not to have a valid cert?!
What mainly concerns me is there is no valid SSL certificate. This could be an indicator that a 3rd party is intercepting it's traffic....in a rather cack handed way. I.e anything sent or any contact made would be eavesdropped on or even modified/deleted.
This could be just a technical fuck up but jesus fucking wept of all of the sites not to have a valid cert?!
DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
Boris Sprinkler thoughts?
The Guardian's lawyers have OKd naming several people involved. I'm too tired to work out whether there are any missing dots.
The story is so badly written that it's not impossible it's had a thorough going-over.
I'd be very wary of naming anyone else - not necessarily on legal grounds, but in case the Guardian have any good reason - such as the mental health of a source - for not doing so.
Boris Sprinkler
Dont be scared
Pm me the link
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
I'd suggest that the CA root certificate model is broken when you're talking about state actors.
Unfortunately so, probably and for some situations, is Tor.
Unfortunately so, probably and for some situations, is Tor.
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Barking_Mad
Non sibi sed omnibus
More Smith revelations from another ex-cop
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/lat...ked-to-paedo-brothel-murder-probe-says-ex-cop
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/lat...ked-to-paedo-brothel-murder-probe-says-ex-cop
hot air baboon
Well-Known Member
'Willie Whitelaw ordered police to scrap inquiry into VIP child sex abuse ring': Police launch probe into sensational new cover-up claims
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...aunch-probe-sensational-new-cover-claims.html
Detectives are investigating claims that former Conservative Home Secretary William Whitelaw ordered police to drop an investigation into a VIP paedophile ring.
Whitelaw allegedly told a senior Metropolitan Police boss to quash a year-long investigation into a gang accused of abusing 40 children, the youngest of whom was six.
The alleged intervention came in 1980 after a newspaper revealed the country’s chief prosecutor was considering 350 offences against the gang, including allegations it ‘obtained young boys for politicians, prominent lawyers and film stars’.
...chronology suggests not this one then...
Whitelaw was Home Sec until 1983, this probe was spiked in 1984 presumably when the Home Sec was...( wait for it )...
Leon Brittan ( 1983-1985 )
...although WW is "a name" that has been seen floating on the surface of the contaminated rumour flow he got an interesting mention from an ex Bryn Estyn poster on DIF who :
..was 'shipped out' of Bryn Estyn after witnessing certain events. Spent years in the system as a result...
...which ofcourse raises something of a query as 1978 makes it Merlyn Rees , so either the name or date is incorrect.....although ofcourse its easier to mix up 1978 / 79 than Rees / Whitelaw...
‘MP ‘was at snuff film lad’s murder'; Exclusive: VIP Paedophile Horror’
Mike Sullivan and Tom Morgan,
The Sun, December 6th, 2014
http://ianpace.wordpress.com/2014/0...ber-15th-2014-and-links-to-newspaper-reports/
DETECTIVES probing the Westminster paedophile ring are investigating bombshell evidence that an MP was involved in the murder of a child in a snuff movie.
A young boy sold for sex is said to have died in a torture session filmed at Amsterdam’s notorious Blue Boy vice club.
Allegations that the unnamed MP was present can be revealed today as The Sun exposes the sinister web at the heart of the scandal.
The claims mean police are now investigating FOUR child murders linked to the alleged abuse ring.
Informants said the MP was present at the murder after going to Holland for sex with boys supplied by paedo fixer Warwick Spinks.
Met detectives are now re-examining files on Spinks amid claims he was a regular visitor to Elm Guest House, where the alleged systematic abuse of children sparked the original VIP inquiry in 2012.
Boys were allegedly taken to the guest house, in Barnes, South-West London, and the upmarket Dolphin Square flats near Westminster, to have sex with MPs including Cyril Smith, and VIP figures.
They included a police chief, an MI5 man, two pop stars and Soviet spy Anthony Blunt.
Yesterday it emerged that police who investigated Spinks in the 1990s were told a boy had died at the Amsterdam club while the MP was present.
A source said: “Officers were told Spinks knew the MP and arranged a tour to Amsterdam. While there he went to the Blue Boy bar, where Spinks was running a brothel.
“The MP was said to have been present when a boy died during an orgy which was being filmed. The information was not confirmed and the MP’s identity never surfaced.
“However, clear evidence that boys were tortured was discovered.”
Spinks was jailed in 1995 for sex offences, including abducting a boy of 14 and taking him to Amsterdam to be abused in a brothel.
Evidence from the Spinks investigation is now being analysed by the Met’s three-pronged probe into networks of VIP paedophiles. Police never found the snuff films, and have been hampered by the loss of files amid claims of an establishment cover-up. The team are already probing three other alleged child murders, one by a Tory MP.
The families of two boys believed to have been murdered by Sidney Cooke’s paedophile gang are also urging police to investigate possible links to the VIP ring.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...aunch-probe-sensational-new-cover-claims.html
Detectives are investigating claims that former Conservative Home Secretary William Whitelaw ordered police to drop an investigation into a VIP paedophile ring.
Whitelaw allegedly told a senior Metropolitan Police boss to quash a year-long investigation into a gang accused of abusing 40 children, the youngest of whom was six.
The alleged intervention came in 1980 after a newspaper revealed the country’s chief prosecutor was considering 350 offences against the gang, including allegations it ‘obtained young boys for politicians, prominent lawyers and film stars’.
...chronology suggests not this one then...
Whitelaw was Home Sec until 1983, this probe was spiked in 1984 presumably when the Home Sec was...( wait for it )...
Leon Brittan ( 1983-1985 )
...although WW is "a name" that has been seen floating on the surface of the contaminated rumour flow he got an interesting mention from an ex Bryn Estyn poster on DIF who :
..was 'shipped out' of Bryn Estyn after witnessing certain events. Spent years in the system as a result...
...which ofcourse raises something of a query as 1978 makes it Merlyn Rees , so either the name or date is incorrect.....although ofcourse its easier to mix up 1978 / 79 than Rees / Whitelaw...
‘MP ‘was at snuff film lad’s murder'; Exclusive: VIP Paedophile Horror’
Mike Sullivan and Tom Morgan,
The Sun, December 6th, 2014
http://ianpace.wordpress.com/2014/0...ber-15th-2014-and-links-to-newspaper-reports/
DETECTIVES probing the Westminster paedophile ring are investigating bombshell evidence that an MP was involved in the murder of a child in a snuff movie.
A young boy sold for sex is said to have died in a torture session filmed at Amsterdam’s notorious Blue Boy vice club.
Allegations that the unnamed MP was present can be revealed today as The Sun exposes the sinister web at the heart of the scandal.
The claims mean police are now investigating FOUR child murders linked to the alleged abuse ring.
Informants said the MP was present at the murder after going to Holland for sex with boys supplied by paedo fixer Warwick Spinks.
Met detectives are now re-examining files on Spinks amid claims he was a regular visitor to Elm Guest House, where the alleged systematic abuse of children sparked the original VIP inquiry in 2012.
Boys were allegedly taken to the guest house, in Barnes, South-West London, and the upmarket Dolphin Square flats near Westminster, to have sex with MPs including Cyril Smith, and VIP figures.
They included a police chief, an MI5 man, two pop stars and Soviet spy Anthony Blunt.
Yesterday it emerged that police who investigated Spinks in the 1990s were told a boy had died at the Amsterdam club while the MP was present.
A source said: “Officers were told Spinks knew the MP and arranged a tour to Amsterdam. While there he went to the Blue Boy bar, where Spinks was running a brothel.
“The MP was said to have been present when a boy died during an orgy which was being filmed. The information was not confirmed and the MP’s identity never surfaced.
“However, clear evidence that boys were tortured was discovered.”
Spinks was jailed in 1995 for sex offences, including abducting a boy of 14 and taking him to Amsterdam to be abused in a brothel.
Evidence from the Spinks investigation is now being analysed by the Met’s three-pronged probe into networks of VIP paedophiles. Police never found the snuff films, and have been hampered by the loss of files amid claims of an establishment cover-up. The team are already probing three other alleged child murders, one by a Tory MP.
The families of two boys believed to have been murdered by Sidney Cooke’s paedophile gang are also urging police to investigate possible links to the VIP ring.
Barking_Mad
Non sibi sed omnibus
I asked them. Next day it was tweeted that they had taken it down. Draw your own conclusions..
Barking_Mad
Non sibi sed omnibus
From the horses mouths... Great read
http://www.exaronews.com/articles/5429/protected-paedophile-mps-and-prominent-people-say-police
http://www.exaronews.com/articles/5429/protected-paedophile-mps-and-prominent-people-say-police
free spirit
more tea vicar?
It's all coming out now, floodgates have either opened or are bulging, cracked and on the verge of spilling open and letting the whole torrid affair spill out into public.
Which one of them will crack first and turn grass on the rest of them?
Which one of them will crack first and turn grass on the rest of them?
That links to extracts from a discussion among (mostly retired) cops:
http://www.exaronews.com/articles/5429/protected-paedophile-mps-and-prominent-people-say-police
free spirit
more tea vicar?
it looks to have a valid SSL certificate as of 10th December 2014, so on the contrary it looks like they responded and resolved the issue quickly after being notified about it.
I didn't check beyond seeing that Firefox tells me https://dropbox.exaronews.com/ (following link from http://www.exaronews.com/content/tell-us-in-confidence ) is untrusted:
Is Firefox wrong then?
free spirit
more tea vicar?
I'm not getting that on firefox either. Are you sure it's not a chached version you're looking at?
Certfied by Geotrust.
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
Have a look here:
https://sslcheck.globalsign.com/en_US/sslcheck?host=dropbox.exaronews.com#93.95.227.25
edited to use better (slower) SSL checker site.
https://sslcheck.globalsign.com/en_US/sslcheck?host=dropbox.exaronews.com#93.95.227.25
edited to use better (slower) SSL checker site.
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Ah!
From that:
Which appears, on the face of it, to be what Firefox is restating to me.
free spirit
more tea vicar?
That gave it an F rating when I tried it, which doesn't sound good, though it does show the SSL certificate.
That though is the extent of my knowledge on the subject of website security.
happie chappie
Well-Known Member
If anyone's interested in how the establishment covers up sex scandals they could do worse than listen to Tom Mangold's investigation into the Jeremy Thorpe affair which was only broadcast on Thorpe's death and which Mangold first started working on 35 years ago.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04wz633
I know Jeremy Thorpe wasn't a paedophile by the way. But there's a lot of relevant stuff in the programme nonetheless.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04wz633
I know Jeremy Thorpe wasn't a paedophile by the way. But there's a lot of relevant stuff in the programme nonetheless.
I've not posted on this thread but have been watching with interest, and on catching up with the last few pages just noticed this:
I know nothing about Core and can't comment on her credibility. However, some time ago I heard a tale about abuse centred on a children's home here, involving boys being trafficked to London and elsewhere, and which is likely to come out into the open before too long. The person who told me about it is in a position to know some of what is happening behind the scenes, although he is prone to a conspiracy theory and I take much of what he says with a pinch of salt. I couldn't help noticing some time ago, though, that a news story linked to further up the thread (can't find the post at a quick search - will go back and look in more detail when I've time) talks about boys being brought to London from children's homes up north. The story was illustrated with a photo credited to the Hull Daily Mail. My informant also hinted at children from the same home(s?) being taken to Scarborough, where there've been well publicised allegations of a paedophile ring operating in the 70s and 80s, possibly involving Jimmy Savile.
It seems highly likely that there'll be more revelations about abuse in and linked to children's homes in various parts of the country. I wouldn't be at all surprised if one of them was in Hull. Will keep my ear to the ground.
*e2a* This is the story I mentioned. I was wrong about the photo credit, which is to a local news agency rather than the HDM, but still seems to hint at a connection here.
I know nothing about Core and can't comment on her credibility. However, some time ago I heard a tale about abuse centred on a children's home here, involving boys being trafficked to London and elsewhere, and which is likely to come out into the open before too long. The person who told me about it is in a position to know some of what is happening behind the scenes, although he is prone to a conspiracy theory and I take much of what he says with a pinch of salt. I couldn't help noticing some time ago, though, that a news story linked to further up the thread (can't find the post at a quick search - will go back and look in more detail when I've time) talks about boys being brought to London from children's homes up north. The story was illustrated with a photo credited to the Hull Daily Mail. My informant also hinted at children from the same home(s?) being taken to Scarborough, where there've been well publicised allegations of a paedophile ring operating in the 70s and 80s, possibly involving Jimmy Savile.
It seems highly likely that there'll be more revelations about abuse in and linked to children's homes in various parts of the country. I wouldn't be at all surprised if one of them was in Hull. Will keep my ear to the ground.
*e2a* This is the story I mentioned. I was wrong about the photo credit, which is to a local news agency rather than the HDM, but still seems to hint at a connection here.
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nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Michael Mansfield QC to head inquiry into government's shortcomings vis a vis CSA. This comes from the Daily Mail, so apologies.
ska invita
back on the other side
VIP paedophile networks 'shut down police investigations which got too close', retired officers claim
Almost 30 former detectives have turned whistleblower in an online forum to expose how undercover operations were suddenly “canned” by powerful figures
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/vip-paedophile-networks-shut-down-4807293
bit tabloidy but hey
Almost 30 former detectives have turned whistleblower in an online forum to expose how undercover operations were suddenly “canned” by powerful figures
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/vip-paedophile-networks-shut-down-4807293
bit tabloidy but hey
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It's a writeup of the board postings at http://www.exaronews.com/articles/5429/protected-paedophile-mps-and-prominent-people-say-police - handlily digested from the person who doesn't have time to decode it from plod-board-ese.
Barking_Mad
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bluescreen
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Mind how you go, commenting on this.
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Barking_Mad
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Yes, no comments should be made either way.
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