Hartlepool by-election
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The39thStep
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Funnily enough, Matthew Goodwin touched on this on Twitter his view was that things may have moved on and that there were new issues that may be pertinent like levelling up in the North. Now in his apparent position as Tory adviser without office that may be seen as advocating the line, the Tory candidate should take however it could also be an attack line for Labour? Labour have already started the 'vaccine bounce' defence ahead of this and the May elections.
The vaccine bounce thing is actually pretty hard to detect in the polls - there's more evidence of Labour's vote dropping than there is of the Tory's vote rising. But more than anything, it smacks of Labour complacency. OK so the government have this "vaccine bounce", what are you doing about it? And this whole business of starting a selection row and choosing a terrible candidate makes me think Labour just aren't bothered.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
I think that's right, but there can, of course, be some other variables in action like...the more that folk see of Starmer, they less they feel inclined to express support for the party that he leads.
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
It's banana skin after banana skin, due to their tunnel vision focus on de-Corbynisation, saying nothing of substance and playing the willing junior partner in a national unity government. More fuck ups to follow.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
I'm genuinely intrigued about what party loyal activists might say to any punters on the doorstep when they campaign in Hartlepool.
Good evening, I'm calling on behalf of the Labour Party candidate and think you should vote for him because....?
Good evening, I'm calling on behalf of the Labour Party candidate and think you should vote for him because....?
muscovyduck
Good IT skills and food hygiene competent
Probably focus on getting people to vote for the Labour Party than for the specific candidate because that's not the smartest thing to do but definitely the sort of half arsed strategy the people who are going along with all this are going to employ
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
That's problem, isn't it? What on earth does the Starmer-led party stand for?
ska invita
back on the other side
hes a doctor and nhs and covid
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
He'll cry if you don't
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Be quite amusing if the tories come up with a doctor candidate!
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
they'd stand a British mengele
cantsin
Well-Known Member
there's f*ck all to say, and whilst I wldnt admit to most in my CLP , quietly cldnt give an arse if that clown loses up there
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
We're shit but it's either us or Boris
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
I think i know what he stands for - economically somewhere between Brown and Corbyn, is both socially liberal and socially conservative, less warry than Blair, but more warry than Corbyn - and I think I'm in his target audience (middle class, and 'sensible'), but firstly there are some really big gaps to steer a ship through, and lots of people to offend while doing so, and secondly that the LP is so wide in terms of its church that's it's simply not plausible to have everyone singing from the same hymn book, let alone sheet.
The other problem he's got - ref Hartlepool candidate - is that if this twonk is the best candidate within 50 miles of Hartlepool that it says little for the talent pool in the LP, or perhaps worse, this twonk is what a good candidate looks like to Starmer.
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
Not just a remain ultra but a full on PV guy. Almost certainly has a subscription to the New European.
andysays
Love and solidarity
Free Union Jack underpants for all...
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Whatever Boris Johnson says
This idiot standing says nothing about lack of better-candidate availability
It does say a lot about the stitch-up level though, given that there's surely got to be a sound or at least fairly together, not all that Remainey LP candidate living in Hartlepool itself .....
Starmer became leader on a 'competence' ticket
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
It's quite excellent prefigurative politics for Starmer's New, New Labour; top-down, authoritarian imposition with no regard to democracy, rights or whatever.This idiot standing says nothing about lack of better-candidate availability
It does say a lot about the stitch-up level though, given that there's surely got to be a sound or at least competent LP candidate living in Hartlepool itself .....
Starmer became leader on a 'competence' ticket
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
has some appeal tbh but is that enough to get him over the door step?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
not during a lockdown
this is brilliant.
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