Very poor result for NIP. Part of that will be down to failing to register, but I think the main problem is that a good twitter game isn't a substitute for consistent ground work. I imagine to most Hartlepoodlians they are just one on the long list of chancers looking to do well off them rather than a party/candidate that's listening to them.
Hartlepool by-election
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5t3IIa
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Lol she was mine then lost so went off chasing this
The39thStep
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I'm sure most of Hartlepool isn't on Twitter either.
However failing to register is a big issue. I'm sure there are some people who would have voted for them but didn't know the name of the candidate.
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Most of my friends dont even use Twitter.
I do get the impression people who post on it a lot have a distorted view of its reach.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Wait till they discover urban75
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
brogdale You might dislike his politics (I do) but is there not a certain truth what he has said at the level of electoral politics?
Party politics has become entirely about values rather than interests - see the who EU spam on this site. In France the next presidential election will ultimately be a battle between neoliberal technocracy and nationalist populism, a similar fight is going to be the case in Italy, in Germany the Greens are taking votes from both the CDU and SDP.
I hate and despise the attempts to remove/cover up class (because of course under the bullshit of electoral politics the real politics is still absolutely about class), but I find it hard to disagree that values have replaced interests. This site is an excellent example, there are posters that post reams and reams of twitter shite. To these posters that is politics, the have the correct views (as shown by sharing the 'correct' tweets). The idea that interests are the basis of politics is dismissed
I know plenty of lovely liberal anti-tories with the 'correct' views about equality (many of them sitting on E&D committees) that scabbed. Some even told me that they supported the strike while crossing picket lines FFS. In their minds their was no contradiction because support=views and so long as they had the right view they were supporting the strike. The fact that their actions undermined their colleagues, workers and wider society is utterly foreign to their understanding.
The idea of a 'left' was always shot through with contradictions but now it is utterly incoherent.
Party politics has become entirely about values rather than interests - see the who EU spam on this site. In France the next presidential election will ultimately be a battle between neoliberal technocracy and nationalist populism, a similar fight is going to be the case in Italy, in Germany the Greens are taking votes from both the CDU and SDP.
I hate and despise the attempts to remove/cover up class (because of course under the bullshit of electoral politics the real politics is still absolutely about class), but I find it hard to disagree that values have replaced interests. This site is an excellent example, there are posters that post reams and reams of twitter shite. To these posters that is politics, the have the correct views (as shown by sharing the 'correct' tweets). The idea that interests are the basis of politics is dismissed
I know plenty of lovely liberal anti-tories with the 'correct' views about equality (many of them sitting on E&D committees) that scabbed. Some even told me that they supported the strike while crossing picket lines FFS. In their minds their was no contradiction because support=views and so long as they had the right view they were supporting the strike. The fact that their actions undermined their colleagues, workers and wider society is utterly foreign to their understanding.
The idea of a 'left' was always shot through with contradictions but now it is utterly incoherent.
Twitter obvs isn't the be all and end all but it's odd to suggest that social media isn't something that can influence - and even start movements.
The rest takes time, something that clearly hasn't been on their side. They may or may not make an impact somewhere, somewhen but the terms of this discussion are strange tbh
The rest takes time, something that clearly hasn't been on their side. They may or may not make an impact somewhere, somewhen but the terms of this discussion are strange tbh
Yossarian
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I get the impression that a lot of journalists see Twitter as an acceptable substitute for talking to people.
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chilango
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Yeah,. I thought and hoped they'd do better. Not least to add something vaguely positive the inevitable Tory win.
Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
I'm sure he's already planning his electoral come back, in the Saudi Majlis ash-Shura.
Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
Looks like the gain in the con vote is pretty directly proportional to the loss of the vote by the Brexit Party/RefUK.
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Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
In one post Bob tells us exactly why the British left is, always has been and always will be utterly fucking unfit for purpose. Sneering, superior, moralistic and pious. What a combo.
Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
You're right. After all, BobDavis has been our perpetual leader.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
It's been argued here before that the working class is no longer fit for purpose for the left. Need a new working class or failing that socialism without the working class.
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BobDavis
Gimme All Your Lovin’
Probably the same as what pissed off voters in the small Tory voting town I live in although most around here have always voted Tory. Instead name calling maybe you should reflect on what this country has become & be rather sad unless of course you are happy about what it has become as most people who live around me are. The voters of Hartlepool voted for the party that most reflected their views & values I guess ? Those views & values are not mine & I would hope they would not be those of Labour & never will be.
Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
What values did the Labour candidate embody? Head chopping? Genocide in Yemen? Hacking dissidents to death? Great stuff.
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