Grenfell Tower fire in North Kensington - news and discussion

[bi0boy]

May is going to meet victims shortly....in Downing Street.

 

[teqniq]

Piers Corbyn long time housing activist and brother of Jeremy Corbyn speaking at Grenfell Tower

 

[Who PhD]

this interview is a car crash.

She's just not answering the questions.

You weren't asked how the fire started, you were asked if it was worth spending a couple of quid extra to make sure that the cladding woudln't have escalated what could well be an everday if terrible accident into a fucking horrific inferno.

In many ways i wish she had been a victim of the fire. Then we'd have one less tory in the world

 

[Dogsauce]

I'm not saying they are entirely free of responsibility: but focusing on the council when we all know this could have happened at almost any council in the country lets the biggest culprits off the hook.

I can just imagine the very different media response had this happened in a Labour-run council. It quite easily could have done, almost the same politics of neglect are in play there too.

It's going to change.

 

[Who PhD]

Piers Corbyn long time housing activist and brother of Jeremy Corbyn speaking at Grenfell Tower

double edged sword; piers is a fucking conspiracy theorist and friend to the David Icke crowd (iirc)

"green agenda"? Fuck off

 

[Pickman's model]

double edged sword; piers is a fucking conspiracy theorist and friend to the David Icke crowd (iirc)

Yeh. Do you have evidence for this potentially libellous statement?

 

[teqniq]

double edged sword; piers is a fucking conspiracy theorist and friend to the David Icke crowd (iirc)

Yes, I did hear something about this on here I think but he does seem to speaking a fair degree of sense here. As for the conspiracy stuff if true, no ta.

e2a in light of Pickman's post above was it you who mentioned it before?

 

[bimble]

Spotted him standing around outside the town hall with a couple of stragglers holding swp placards. Not sure about his use of the term "the green agenda" given he's a climate change denier.

 

[J Ed]

Piers Corbyn long time housing activist and brother of Jeremy Corbyn speaking at Grenfell Tower

He's also a truther, v dodgy

 

[ferrelhadley]

Yeh. Do you have evidence for this potentially libellous statement?

He is nuttier than squirrel shit.

Now Piers Corbyn, a British astrophysicist reports, "the world is now in one of its most extreme solar-lunar driven weather and earthquake/volcano events situations for at least 66 years and very likely twice that." Berkland suggests that in this top seismic window in years, the west coast of the United States is a high-risk area. Piers Corbyn is less specific on the location but believes the time of highest risk is in the five-day period of March 23-27.

According to Corbyn, it was the X Class solar flare of March 10, 2011, that caused a significant hit on the Earth by a coronal mass ejection, which was reported by NASA. He says this, in turn, triggered the massive Japan super quake (M=9.0) the following day.

British Astrophysicist Piers Corbyn Forecasts Earthquake Between March 23-27

Comments from Piers

 

[teqniq]

He's also a truther, v dodgy

I am saddened by the amount of otherwise perfectly reasonable people that are.

 

[ferrelhadley]

Spotted him standing around outside the town hall with a couple of stragglers holding swp placards. Not sure about his use of the term "the green agenda" given he's a climate change denier.

Some (Mail, Telegraph) have tried to pin the fire on "CO2 madness" that the cladding was all about CO2 targets, rather than being about things like reducing the costs for residents heating in winter and helping keep the building cool in summer.
That there was cladding is not a problem, its the small price difference between the more and less fire resistant cladding that is the issue. It is a failed attempt to deflect blame that Piers has bought hook, line and stinker.

 

[Yossarian]

This is the Twitter feed of a loon - and apparently a Trump supporter. He even retweeted the Daily Express' "Did EU regulation mean deadly cladding was used on Grenfell Tower?"

Piers Corbyn (@Piers_Corbyn) on Twitter

 

[teqniq]

Oh dear.

 

[bimble]

Fucking hell had no idea he was that nuts. That's quite a twitter . Wind turbines are the work of sadistic satanists..

 

[frogwoman]

 

[Dogsauce]

He runs (or rather is) the company that provides the forecasts for the nutty Daily Express weather headlines ('coldest winter for decades ahead' etc.)

 

[Who PhD]

Frightening isn't it?

I doubt they will, they will be postponed

 

[Mr.Bishie]

Maybe another thread for Pier's spudloonery?

 

[bimble]

How does he manage to cheer for Trump and for his brother at the same time? (but that's not for this thread)

 

[LDC]

Piers Corbyn long time housing activist and brother of Jeremy Corbyn speaking at Grenfell Tower

He's a bonkers cunt and needs to be fucked off sharpish.

 

[teqniq]

He's a bonkers cunt and needs to be fucked off sharpish.

This has already been drawn to my attention.

 

[editor]

Remember the criminal farce of the Heygate Estate: Heygate was Home · Digital Archive

 

[Wilf]

I've just seen May's interview on Newsnight. This is just fucking outrageous, I'm so fucking angry at this when I think of all the threads that connect to it and the absolute failure of the response from government. Wtf have we become? Really, it is disgraceful, disgusting and shameful that this has happened.

Perfect post, even if it is one that describes a fucking horrible situation. This is politics, the end results of an assault on the working class and politics as a thing that has moved so far away from community life that it ends up coming out with the maniacal drivel she spewed. But it's also a reminder, if it was ever needed, that our politics and solidarity should always reduce itself down to real emotions and real people. The murder of the Grenfell residents embodies every bit of this.

 

[Pickman's model]

Apparently caught fire again

 

[frogwoman]

 

[Pickman's model]

Heading there now, no tube west of Edgware rd circle Hammersmith and city or west of south ken district and circle

 

[bimble]

It's odd, all tubes were running normal last night including Latimer Road a couple of minutes walk from the tower. I wonder if they'll expand the police cordon.

 

[Pickman's model]

It's odd, all tubes were running normal last night including Latimer Road a couple of minutes walk from the tower. I wonder if they'll expand the police cordon.

That was then...

 

[Peter Dow]

You appear to be assuming that improving insulation was the primary motivating factor rather than being a variety of justifiable excuse.

I'm simply reading from (but not trusting those who submitted and approved) the planning application -

Grenfell Tower Regeneration Project SUSTAINABILITY AND ENERGY STATEMENT PLANNING APPLICATION

2.0 REFURBISHMENT RESPONSE TO EXISTING ENERGY & ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES

2.1 Insulation

Improving the insulation levels of the walls, roof and windows is the top priority of this refurbishment.

Personally, I would put fire safety as a more important priority than "insulation levels".

The planning application was submitted by Max Fordham, a building engineering services company hired by KCTMO.

Max Fordham - Wikipedia - Fordham's own firm's website which doesn't list Grenfell Tower as one of their projects. Presumably, that's because they deleted anything incriminating.

If charges of manslaughter and arrests are to be made then Max Fordham, the company and the man himself, should be in the dock, along with the engineers responsible for the planning application because the engineering was incompetently and recklessly done creating a very dangerous fire hazard.

MAX FORDHAM LLP TEAM CONTRIBUTORS

Mark Palmer, Senior Engineer / Partner
Andrew McQuatt, Lead Engineer / Partner
Matt Smith, Engineer

The Guardian has a flow chart of the various companies also in the frame for corporate and individual manslaughter charges.

Complex chain of companies that worked on Grenfell Tower raises oversight concerns

Yes they are all culpable for the way they spent the limited money that was available, on the particular refurbishment project that they approved. What money they spent was spent foolishly, recklessly and I would say criminally.

I support David Lammy MP's call for arrests on corporate manslaughter charges. What's the interesting political question is how far up the levels of government should such charges be laid?

Straight to the top, if you ask me.

Well arresting Max Fordham and putting him in the dock takes us straight to the top via all the kingdom's institutions, such as the University of Bath, which validated his so-called "professional competence", see his wikipedia entry where they are listed.

The kingdom's institutions who validated Fordham, all have the blessing, the approval, charters, etc of Her Majesty the Queen.

So really the Queen should be in the dock of the people's courts. But then as a republican, I would say that.

The local council which approved the planning application also is criminally negligent and culpable for being as naive as Humpty Dumpty for trusting Max Fordham and all the Queen's men.

Presumably the government inspectors and fire building codes are not up to scratch either.

The people are absolutely right to demand justice and to take this to the very top.