bimble
floofy
Good place yes.
Mayram: "both the Feminist Society and LGBTQ+ Society of Goldsmiths have come out with solidarity messages – for the Islamic Society – and of course not for me. '
God and religion
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Good place yes.
Mayram: "both the Feminist Society and LGBTQ+ Society of Goldsmiths have come out with solidarity messages – for the Islamic Society – and of course not for me. '
some discussion on the Goldsmiths thread on that topic
Goldsmiths University Diversity officer facing sack
Goldsmiths University Diversity officer facing sack
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Disgusting bully. 'You're intimidating me', he says. 'safe space', 'safe space'. He sits at the front and disrupts the thing then claims intimdation! Well done to Maryam for not giving a single millimetre.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Not enoughGood place yes.
Mayram: "both the Feminist Society and LGBTQ+ Society of Goldsmiths have come out with solidarity messages – for the Islamic Society – and of course not for me. '
in the world.
bimble
floofy
I had a friendly(ish) argument about this NUS No Platform policy and Safe Spaces thing the other day, he totally in favour of it as a way of redressing the balance of those who do & don't get access to the stage / power.
He kept using the example if Germaine Greer & transphobia.
It didn't help change my mind one bit. I'm properly frightened by this apparent trend, especially at universities, towards the avoidance of offence uber alles else.
He kept using the example if Germaine Greer & transphobia.
It didn't help change my mind one bit. I'm properly frightened by this apparent trend, especially at universities, towards the avoidance of offence uber alles else.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
And they are so clearly bullies who are playing the system here. Various uni Islamic societies worry me, tbh. Segregated meetings, women sat at the back and not allowed to address the meetings - having to ask a man to make their points for them - dunno about Goldsmiths, but that is how the UCL Isoc was being run a couple of years back. Even segregated facebook pages here, with the women in private, of course. God forbid that they should utter an opinion of their own in public.
It's hugely disturbing, this stuff.
bimble
floofy
Going to brazenly admit I was at Goldsmiths myself, few years ago for an MA thing (I'm not an Artist honest) .
But if that place is cowing to the fear of offence I can't imagine who isn't.
It was not like this few years ago, it actually employed offensive and outspoken and ornery odd people to speak what they thought .
But if that place is cowing to the fear of offence I can't imagine who isn't.
It was not like this few years ago, it actually employed offensive and outspoken and ornery odd people to speak what they thought .
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littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Although Maryam Namazie is none of these things, really, except perhaps outspoken. Attitudes towards 'apostasy' (a despicable idea in and of itself) need confronting.Going to brazenly admit I was at Goldsmiths myself, few years ago for an MA thing - (I'm NOT an artist honest) . But if that place is cowing to the fear of offence I can't imagine who isn't. It was not like this not that long ago, it had a sense of humour, it employed offensive and outspoken and ornery odd people to speak what they thought .
bimble
floofy
Exactly.
bimble
floofy
If it's that place in particular maybe it's a frontrunner in the problem of how if you are too extremely right on and dead serious in your good intentions you end up banning anything that could upset anyone who is intersectionally less priviledged than you, and all that stuff.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Speaking of intersectionality, how is the Goldsmiths ISOC gay and lesbian section doing, I wonder.If it's that place in particular maybe it's a frontrunner in the problem of how if you are too extremely right on and dead serious in your good intentions you end up banning anything that could upset anyone who is intersectionally less priviledged than you, and all that stuff.
That's the problem with extending protection to belief systems.
bimble
floofy
I don't know whether it's Goldsmiths in particular, some very interesting developments over in Californian (etc) campuses last couple of years, re the primary importance of not making anyone feel uncomfortable ever at all.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
That pretends that all these groups fit together harmoniously. They don't. And pretending that they do lets bullies like the above hold sway.
That video is nothing but a power trip - we have the power to stop you speaking, with the added dimension that this is men attempting to silence a woman who wishes to speak, among other things, about a woman's experiences.
bimble
floofy
Did you see the story of how a canadian university was successfully lobbied into banning it's long running yoga class for disabled students because some group argued that yoga was cultural appropriation?
This way ( competing claims to victimhood) lies total disasterness.
Yoga class cancelled at University of Ottawa over 'cultural issues'
This way ( competing claims to victimhood) lies total disasterness.
Yoga class cancelled at University of Ottawa over 'cultural issues'
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
wtf??? That is extraordinary.
bimble
floofy
It's the future! Competing claims of offendednesswtf??? That is extraordinary.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
I'd better beware. I teach a Japanese martial art.
I'd take myself out and commit seppuku, but that would be a gross act of cultural appropriation.
I'd take myself out and commit seppuku, but that would be a gross act of cultural appropriation.
coley
Well-Known Member
Because they have more sense than to waste time on this particular thread,when there are no doubt, much more open minded forums and threads?
At least on this particular subject?
coley
Well-Known Member
Logic & Faith is like oil & water they just don't go together very well.
I grew up with a very unpalatable God though, the vindictive old testament tribal one - ‘Whoever touches the mountain is to be put to death.They are to be stoned or shot with arrows, No person or animal shall be permitted to live.’ (Exodus etc) .
so I 'lost my faith' when i was 12.
A good sunset still does it for me though.
And me, even if the most spectacular sunsets are caused by mankind's pollution of the atmosphere
But why worry? If there is an omnipotent god he/she has got to have had enough and it's time for the believers to start hammering a few Arks together ( are you listening Cumbria) or mair likely there probably isn't a God ( as such) and we will pollute ourselves into extinction anyway.
But sneering at people of genuine faith isn't on, however the gentle mockery of the more ' humourless fundamentalists' is to be definitely encouraged.
coley
Well-Known Member
The first two aren't worth answering as,for the latter, to make sure it remains interesting and competitive.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
"Safe spaces".
Reno
The In Kraut
Genuinely bewildered by this statement. Why would opera offend Italians ? It's at its most popular in Italy, to a degree where Opera is considered popular rather than high culture there.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
He means that people of all other nations but Italy should stop doing opera, as Italians might perceive it as their culture being appropriated by other cultures.
The fact that opera pretty much evolved in parallel in Italy, France, Germany and Austria is obviously beside the point!
Reno
The In Kraut
Obviously !The fact that opera pretty much evolved in parallel in Italy, France, Germany and Austria is obviously beside the point!
