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Lenny Henry spoke about the lack of racial diversity at Glastonbury in an interview; Not having been I have no idea if this is true or not. What is the diversity in terms of race like at Glastonbury and on the wider festival circuit?

 
A minor point about the festival weather now I think about it. Glastonbury the town is to some degree a coastal town. It doesn't look it on a map, but it used to be before they drained the levels that lie between it and the Severn / Atlantic, and the weather seems to pretty much ignore the levels and roll straight in off the sea before hitting Glastonbury. Glastonbury the festival is only 7 miles east of Glastonbury the town, and there's a pretty flat route from the town to the festival too, which you can see when you look down the valley from the Pyramid Field to the Tor. I do wonder if all of this helps make the weather at the festival that little bit less predictable, as it's in effect closer to the Atlantic than the maps make it look.

Just a random thought based on having watched the weather round here for a good few years now.
 
Lenny Henry spoke about the lack of racial diversity at Glastonbury in an interview; Not having been I have no idea if this is true or not. What is the diversity in terms of race like at Glastonbury and on the wider festival circuit?

I saw/read this article earlier today, and I was going to post the link -- thank-you for beating me to it.

When Jay Z was announced as one of the main headliners in 2008, there was a fair bit of 'controversy' about it, not least, moaning from Noel Gallager :rolleyes:

Tickets failed to sell out until a very late stage that year as I recall, although TBF, that was partly to do with the utterly dreadful mudbath conditions of G-2007 sticking in peoples' minds! :eek:

On-site in 2008 though, there were far many more young and young-ish Black festival-goers than usual, several older ones too, walking about, checking stuff out, asking us questions at Info, etc. :)

Box-fresh trainers, largely. Good job there was no rain in 2008 in the end! :p :D ;)

But you do raise a good (more general) point about how 'white dominated' so many festivals are, Glastonbury very much included.

I'm not sure that there's a lot that can be 'done' :hmm: to alter that -- perhaps significantly more Black-friendly acts all over the shop at Glasto? :confused:

If you think as much about Festival history generally (and Glastonbury history in particular!) as I do, and also if you read lots, like me, about the general UK counter-culture of the sixties to nineties (especially), then way-back-when, it was probably near-inevitable! that there would be fewer Black acts and festival-goers ...

Although over the years, IMO, there were always some!! Perhaps a few more than Lenny has been aware of? :)
 
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Lenny Henry spoke about the lack of racial diversity at Glastonbury in an interview; Not having been I have no idea if this is true or not. What is the diversity in terms of race like at Glastonbury and on the wider festival circuit?

My favourite game when watching Glastonbury footage is "spot anyone who isn't white". There are probably many more people of colour onstage than in the audience and considering its popular, what 150k tickets or something ? Can't help thinking something is awry. There's another Somerset thing called the Godney Gathering, this is a tiny festival but again, the band Laid Black manage to ensure some representation from people of colour because there's fuck all in the audience.
 
It's all very well stating that there's not many BAME attendees at festivals, but has Sir Len (or anyone else) actually thought to ask why? Not meant to be a stirring question, just an honest one.

And, no, I don't pretend to have any answers. :(
 
It's all very well stating that there's not many BAME attendees at festivals, but has Sir Len (or anyone else) actually thought to ask why? Not meant to be a stirring question, just an honest one.

And, no, I don't pretend to have any answers. :(
As don't I. And I doubt Lenny does either, really :(
 
Nothing but rush for myself, festivaldeb and Van for the rest of this norning -- still packing and preparing! :eek:

We head to Isle of Avalon Campside in G-Town** for this afternoon, Fri 17/6. Then two days towning it :cool:

**(with some rain promised n Saturday and Sunday! :hmm: -- but that could be the last of that, see my next post!)

WEe head on-site for The Pilton-World Experience! (R, TM! :D) on Sunday 19th June. We don''t then leave site until Tuesday 29th Juune! :cool:

Hope to see some of you there! I'll stab a guess on Cider Bus meet-ups for Wednesday 23rd June and/or Thursday 25th June! :cool: :thumbs:

(See my earlier post for our Info Crew shifts :) -- come and visit us!)
 
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We got resale tickets this year, and yes, have had to send on one of them to a friend in Greece
Success! It has finally arrived, was getting a bit twitchy about whether it would get there in time. Took 12 days recorded delivery, and was allegedly supposed to take 5-7 days.

I had a minor panic when I could see from the tracking service that it was held up at Greek customs for 4 days. It hadn't occurred to me before I sent it that there might be import tax implications sending a ticket worth 280 quid. Should have probably filled out some sort of form. Anyway, doesn't seem to have been a problem in the end.

The rest of my friend's party have to pick their tickets up from the Box Office, this is something new for international tickets this year. Fuck knows why they don't send them out same as everyone else's. Cost I expect. Stressy for everyone who's travelled across the world to get there, and then need to arrive before the box office closes for the night, ballache :(
 
Success! It has finally arrived, was getting a bit twitchy about whether it would get there in time. Took 12 days recorded delivery, and was allegedly supposed to take 5-7 days.

I had a minor panic when I could see from the tracking service that it was held up at Greek customs for 4 days. It hadn't occurred to me before I sent it that there might be import tax implications sending a ticket worth 280 quid. Should have probably filled out some sort of form. Anyway, doesn't seem to have been a problem in the end.

The rest of my friend's party have to pick their tickets up from the Box Office, this is something new for international tickets this year. Fuck knows why they don't send them out same as everyone else's. Cost I expect. Stressy for everyone who's travelled across the world to get there, and then need to arrive before the box office closes for the night, ballache :(
Madness isn't it? I really don't understand why they treat resale tickets different to the initial sale ones. Yes, the balance has to be paid instantly in the resale (usually by the lead booker), but then there seems to be no option for tickets to be sent to individual's actual addresses other than the lead booker.

As it is, I still need to sort the final details to collect mine in Bristol. My lead booker is considering sending mine to me via one-day courier. Otherwise, it's a 45-mile round trip from where they're staying to where I'm staying. They have access to a car and I don't. The rail strike isn't helping (I would have taken a train and met them somewhere a bit closer) and the local buses are incredibly unreliable.
 
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Some staff (e.g. Oxfam stewards) have been getting told off for posting pictures of the site build on social media. That's a new one!

I understand not posting pictures of your wristbands etc. - but the site build???
In 2019 all around the bloc 9 build area were signs say 'please do not post photos on social media' before the Thursday.

So I guess it has been requested before.
 
Some staff (e.g. Oxfam stewards) have been getting told off for posting pictures of the site build on social media. That's a new one!

I understand not posting pictures of your wristbands etc. - but the site build???
That's usual for Boomtown, all crew are asked not to post pics of the build. I can see the logic in it, it's nicer for everyone to see it for the first time when they get there, no?
 
My favourite game when watching Glastonbury footage is "spot anyone who isn't white". There are probably many more people of colour onstage than in the audience and considering its popular, what 150k tickets or something ? Can't help thinking something is awry. There's another Somerset thing called the Godney Gathering, this is a tiny festival but again, the band Laid Black manage to ensure some representation from people of colour because there's fuck all in the audience.

Reminds of when NME were asked back in the 90s why they didn't put more black artists on the covers & the editor (or someone like that) said something along the lines of "it doesn't sell the paper, unfortunately". Would have thought things have moved on? From when white artists were favoured over black - in terms of marketing the bands and so on?

Haven't kept up with the line ups for years. Just think of all the great black artists over the years who could get top billing? Sade, Labi Siffre, Soul II Soul, Joan Armatrading, Cymande, Eddie Grant, Cookie Crew, Omar. Crowds generally love the "oldies", don't they? And don't they deserve as much celebrating as the other legends who top the festival?

There's tonnes of new artists like Loyle Carner, Arlo Parks etc whose names cannot bring to mind just now.
 
Some staff (e.g. Oxfam stewards) have been getting told off for posting pictures of the site build on social media. That's a new one!

I understand not posting pictures of your wristbands etc. - but the site build???
Yeah, I did see some pics and instinctively though 'woah, cool :eek:'... But then after a few seconds felt slightly :oops: as that's part of the experience, no? Stumbling across stuff like this, in the moment, and going full 'woooooaaaahhhhhh...did NOT expect that' IRL.

Btw, I am PUMPED for this year. I get The Feels every year ofc, but this year feels a bit extra, no? Lineup is brilliantly sparse of must-see anchors, but with a sprinkling of 'worth the entrance fee alone' appearances as a bonus (Pet Shop Boys, Todd Edwards in NYC Downlow Saturday night, Diana Ross...)
 
Reminds of when NME were asked back in the 90s why they didn't put more black artists on the covers & the editor (or someone like that) said something along the lines of "it doesn't sell the paper, unfortunately". Would have thought things have moved on? From when white artists were favoured over black - in terms of marketing the bands and so on?

Haven't kept up with the line ups for years. Just think of all the great black artists over the years who could get top billing? Sade, Labi Siffre, Soul II Soul, Joan Armatrading, Cymande, Eddie Grant, Cookie Crew, Omar. Crowds generally love the "oldies", don't they? And don't they deserve as much celebrating as the other legends who top the festival?

There's tonnes of new artists like Loyle Carner, Arlo Parks etc whose names cannot bring to mind just now.
Although I liked your post I'm not sure the problem lies with the choice of bands and artists, I think the organisers do make efforts to be inclusive. I wish I knew where the problem is but I don't.
 
Reminds of when NME were asked back in the 90s why they didn't put more black artists on the covers & the editor (or someone like that) said something along the lines of "it doesn't sell the paper, unfortunately". Would have thought things have moved on? From when white artists were favoured over black - in terms of marketing the bands and so on?

Haven't kept up with the line ups for years. Just think of all the great black artists over the years who could get top billing? Sade, Labi Siffre, Soul II Soul, Joan Armatrading, Cymande, Eddie Grant, Cookie Crew, Omar. Crowds generally love the "oldies", don't they? And don't they deserve as much celebrating as the other legends who top the festival?

There's tonnes of new artists like Loyle Carner, Arlo Parks etc whose names cannot bring to mind just now.
The oldies often play the Sunday 'Legends' slot. Ironically, over the years, that's been one of the better spots for diversity (compared to Pyramid Stage headliners), with acts since including Al Green, Isaacs Hayes, James Brown, Diana Ross, Shirley Bassey, Stevie Wonder, and Lionel Ritchie.

Loyle Carner played the last one, and Arlo Parks is playing this one.

The diversity of acts/diversity in the crowd thing is a bit chicken-and-egg; they might attract a more diverse crown with more diverse headliners, but given the tickets sell out before the line-up is released, there's also a element of the people coming having certain expectations - remember the moaning when Jay-Z was announced.

That said, the headliners are definitely getting more racially diverse (Kanye, Jay-Z, Stormzy, Beyonce, Kendrick), as is the crowd.
 
Although I liked your post I'm not sure the problem lies with the choice of bands and artists, I think the organisers do make efforts to be inclusive. I wish I knew where the problem is but I don't.
I'm not sure we should even presume it's a problem per se. It would be if, say, people of colour were made to feel unwelcome, or the choice of bands deliberately excluded certain acts. But, as far as I can tell that's not the case.
 
In 2019 all around the bloc 9 build area were signs say 'please do not post photos on social media' before the Thursday.

So I guess it has been requested before.
Fair do's. Just the first time I've actually heard of it, that's all.

But official pictures have been posted. Bit of "double-standards", maybe?

And I get that folks (officials and punters) don't want to spoil the element of surprise. Punters could always try and avoid looking online, of course. Easier said than done, granted.

Apologies for using your post, ruffneck23, as a quote, but it seemed the easiest to respond to. :)
 
Lenny Henry spoke about the lack of racial diversity at Glastonbury in an interview; Not having been I have no idea if this is true or not. What is the diversity in terms of race like at Glastonbury and on the wider festival circuit?

Used to be the case that loads of black kids used to come up for Glastonbury from Liverpool, bristol and Cardiff in the 80’s and early nineties. The fence was part of a strategy to keep them out. Music was another part.
 
Used to be the case that loads of black kids used to come up for Glastonbury from Liverpool, bristol and Cardiff in the 80’s and early nineties. The fence was part of a strategy to keep them out. Music was another part.
You really think what motivated the fence was a desire to exclude black people? I mean, I accept that it has that effect, and the fence was always going to affect the socio-economic groups in which people of colour are disproportionately represented, but it seems a stretch to suggest it was a deliberate act motivated by racism.
 
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