clandestino
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beesonthewhatnow said:
That's Guillemots, in case you were wondering. Saw them last week at the Camden Crawl. God they were fucking dire - and bound to be huge.
Glastonbury 2007 pt1: the build-up
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That's Guillemots, in case you were wondering. Saw them last week at the Camden Crawl. God they were fucking dire - and bound to be huge.
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JTG said:Well alright but England don't play vitally important international tournaments every week, ones which draw interest from many many people outside of the usual football fanatics.
Hippies are interested too
some hippies
at steart beach trying to watch the footy in the blazing sun and ToM booming next door.
was a planned operation by the footy nuts in the rig, massive aerial, projector and a mahooosive white sheet to project on.
was quite surreal seeing people sitting down gathered round a sheet trying to see england v someone whilst everyone else danced all around
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ianw said:
i might be being a little umm, i dunno - but pennards has soared in popularity since a large glasto website decided to announce thats where it would have its camp. imo pennards is the suburban wasteland of glasto with tent after tent of unaccompanied young lads or lasses (who inevitably link up). did you feel that the football penetrated the rest of the site in the same way?
My parting statement on the footie issue is that had the game been played on a Friday, Saturday or Sunday evening it would 99% not have been shown. Unless you were planning on spending your Thursday evening around the Pyramid stage then your plans probably wouldn't have been too adversely affected.
Fortunately I didn't see any flag-waving/chanting mobs and I totally agree that Glastonbury is not that 'kind of place'. One can take solace from the fact that another couple of ounces of the Falklands Spirit was drained out of them when Beckham skied his penalty kick and England, once again, failed on the 'main stage'.
Fortunately I didn't see any flag-waving/chanting mobs and I totally agree that Glastonbury is not that 'kind of place'. One can take solace from the fact that another couple of ounces of the Falklands Spirit was drained out of them when Beckham skied his penalty kick and England, once again, failed on the 'main stage'.
Biffo said:
I'm fed up (over the last few years) with this inability of some people (not you specifically Biffo) to take in the incredible, amazing fact, that some Glasto diehards, including hippies, happen to like football.
The site is huge. Football is not being forced on you. It happens, pretty much by historical chance really, that late June every two years there is either the World Cup or the Euro Finals. The footy is EASY to avoid, plenty of other parts of the site to go if you want. It's there for those who want it.
Football haters, stop being so intolerent. Just because someone's wearing an England shirt at Glasto doesn't mean they're necessarily, or even very likely to be, a 'Falklands Spirit'
jingoist thug-yob. Just because someone's not wearing a footy shirts doesn't mean they're footy haters.That's aimed at YOU ianw.
clandestino
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wiskey said:
We didn't even get into Pennards, as I say! We were stuck in the far corner, miles away from anywhere. And I did feel that football was everywhere for the first day. But thankfully England got beat and it all started to dissipate. It was just a bad start to an otherwise fun festival.
Maybe that's it. We used to camp in Pennards because it was closest to the Sacred Space, where we'd usually end up at the end of the night, and the Second Stage, where we'd usually head to for music. Not being able to camp where we'd always camped was annoying - and I guess I probably equated the lack of space with the influx of footy fans. When in fact the Internet was to blame all along!
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William of Walworth said:Football haters, stop being so intolerent. Just because someone's wearing an England shirt at Glasto doesn't mean they're necessarily, or even very likely to be, a 'Falklands Spirit'
That's aimed at YOU ianw.
thats a bit much isnt it william? ianw stated that he didnt like the footy or the atmosphere in pennards (which i've already agreed with - when was the last time you walked right up to the top of pannards?? i wouldnt have bothered if we hadnt driven, its crap imo but the people there seem to love it). or are you responding to this
ianw said:
which is his opinion. and he is entitled to it. and i agree to some extent.
clandestino
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William of Walworth said:Just because someone's wearing an England shirt at Glasto doesn't mean they're necessarily, or even very likely to be, a 'Falklands Spirit'
That's aimed at YOU ianw.
I totally agree. My problem, as I stated clearly in my post, was people behaving like yobs, chanting, being laddish/loutish or whatever. If it had been a crowd of regular Glasto-goers in football shirts, I'd have had no problem with it. But, unfortunately, my experience was that it wasn't.
wiskey
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ianw said:I guess I probably equated the lack of space with the influx of footy fans. When in fact the Internet was to blame all along!
to be fair iirc the tickets had been sold before england playing the match was announced. there were no extra tickets and in fact it led to great wailing and gnashing of teeth with footy fans who didnt get a ticket in case it clashed with the footy and they missed a match. the match being screened live was a last minute decision (and if it hadnt been england i doubt they would have bothered).
so i dont think you can blame footy fans
OK that was maybe a bit harsh of me (sorry), but I do think that of all places, Glastonbury should be a live and let live sorta place, and if there's important matches on, people should have the option of seeing them. I think I was right that the site is big enough to avoid any football focussed aspects to a fair extent, if you want to.
I was not in Pennards much.
Good news for all football indifferent/hostile folk : 2007 will be a football free summer (no international competitions).
ianw was saying earlier he didn't want to come back, I hope it's not in way the football from 2004 that's contributing to putting him off, because next year, there won't be any!
I was not in Pennards much.
Good news for all football indifferent/hostile folk : 2007 will be a football free summer (no international competitions).
ianw was saying earlier he didn't want to come back, I hope it's not in way the football from 2004 that's contributing to putting him off, because next year, there won't be any!
ianw said:
I didn't see any of this myself. Of the ca. 70,000 watching the England match at the main stage on Thursday in 2004, some no doubt were in the mould you describe, and I don't see how you're going to stop a fair few of them coming even if the football isn't shown. But as far as I could tell, a lot more of that huge crowd WERE regular Glasto people, some in footy shirts, some not. There were no arrests and I heard of no trouble. I didn't even hear any obnoxious laddish/jingoist chants.
What I'm saying that if you were camped near a concentration of lager lout types that's very unfortunate, but I still think they would have been in a minority even of those keen on the football, overall, and certainly in a minority of all Glastogoers.
wiskey said:to be fair iirc the tickets had been sold before england playing the match was announced. there were no extra tickets and in fact it led to great wailing and gnashing of teeth with footy fans who didnt get a ticket in case it clashed with the footy and they missed a match. the match being screened live was a last minute decision (and if it hadnt been england i doubt they would have bothered).
so i dont think you can blame footy fans
Thats how I recall it also ...
clandestino
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William of Walworth said:
Thanks for your apology, William.
I don't know, it's a whole bunch of things that added up to the feeling that it was the same but it wasn't the same, that it was over-familiar but what I used to love had gone somehow - and the football seemed symptomatic of it. I think being forced to camp in a really crappy part of the site didn't help much. It seemed like the glory years - or mine at least - had gone.
Ho hum. I'm just another person saying this. I'm sure there've been loads over the years. I hope to return in happier times.
clandestino
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William of Walworth said:
I heard *loads* of chanting. It wasn't necessarily jingoistic, but just boorish. And we weren't just camped next to a group of lager louts. I'm glad you managed to avoid it.
ianw said:
I was with the some Urbanites and others, mainly hippies. Talking (later) about footy with them
In fact I disappeared for about 4 hours after the England defeat. Spent ages sitting by a random truck with sharing a spliff with some REAL hippies, not talking about football. Other general wanderings about. Stig got really worried that she couldn't find me. (I'd inadvertantly turned my phone off).
I turned up again (well Tort found me) once the trauma of being kicked out of Euro 2004 was over ...
Biffo said:You're not thinking of:
"Nah, nah, nah, nah-ah-ah-ah, nah-ah-ah-ah, Hey Jude"
repeated ad infinitum on Saturday night are you?
Was that 2004 as well?? I suppose it would have been ...
clandestino
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Biffo said:You're not thinking of:
"Nah, nah, nah, nah-ah-ah-ah, nah-ah-ah-ah, Hey Jude"
repeated ad infinitum on Saturday night are you?
They were chanting "54-46 That's my number" where I was, thankfully!
wiskey
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wiskey said:
I've probably still got my 1984 one somewhere, certainly the programme anyway!
1984 was nice and sunny, but 1985 was about the worst mudbath in Glasto history (with strong competition from 1997 and especially from 1998). Good one to miss, 1985, but unfortunately I made the mistake of not returning after 1984, until 1994
wiskey said:
Yep that sums it up for me too. It's probably great for those that want that kind of thing... looks like my idea of hell for me though.
We had kids with us in 2004 so we did the family field. We liked the peace so much we did the same spot in 2005 regardless (mate's kids had exams so couldn't come). At one point we were walking along the tracks in 2004 after Orbital, looking at the madness of pennards and I just thought oh my life... I couln't cope with that!
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