The only thing he has ever fought is his sense of inferiority - continues to this day.
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The only thing he has ever fought is his sense of inferiority - continues to this day.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
1) It's not snobbish to point out that lots of the claims you're making simply don't stack up.
2) Who has said that it's "absurd" to suggest that there is a rise in fascism? Read what people have said, read the link you posted, the bloke (a Jordanian Royal FFS) says there's been a rise in "fascist rhetoric" not fascism. There's a big difference between "fascists are coming" and a strengthening/increase in the hard right.
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Starry Wisdom
Yeh. I never said a) no chance of fascism rising, nor b) that I think you have to be a skinhead to be a fascist. You made both bits up. Going on what you've posted your knowledge is scanty in this area and to avoid further embarrassment you might wish to read around the area. But my greatest issue with your posts, above the ignorance you refuse to remedy, is your great want of honesty.
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Yeh but at least I'm not a race-baiting twat, for which I am daily grateful
Q.E.D
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Only in your head, dear boy
The skinhead bit was hyperbole. Although I suspect your fighting fascism did literally only involve that and not fascist regimes (but put me right if I'm wrong).
You have clearly been dismissive of any kind of threat about the rise of fascism being a threat 'if I had a pound etc'. (This is where the absurd bit comes from red squirrel).
You then couldn't distinguish between fascist ideas and fascist groups.
Resquirrel said outright that the 'fascists aren't coming'.
Well, I hope you are right. But it's not just me and the fuckin chief of human rights at the UN who're worried.
And redsquirrel correct me if I'm wrong, but surely a rise in fascist rhetoric is pretty much a prerequisite to a rise in fascism. Y'know, that they're probably linked. That a rise in rhetoric may in fact be a warning sign that fascist ideas are rising again. Which is, in fact my fuckin point.
And why you should all be voting to stop it.
And why you should all be voting to stop it.
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Starry Wisdom
By hyperbole you mean lie. Like your er hyperbole about the Labour and tory manifestos, etc ad nauseam.
edit: shouldn't say that
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Yeh I couldn't differentiate between fascist groups and ideas er except for where I did. You're fucking pathological.
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Fucking pathological could be a possible tagline
Pathological Edie
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Only you have lied and lied on this thread
You don't seem able to engage with other people's posts honestly. And not just other people's posts, you post utter shite like what you said about the Labour and tory immigration policies. I don't know why you do it, it makes it impossible to have a real discussion with you.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
generally speaking, nationalisation under fascism was not precluded. Mussolini nationalised a lot.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
i tried that approach with pm. Doesn't work.
Oh, it really does.
ATB pickers, I'm out.Yeah, it does. You have to actually not respond to him tho
If you ignore him then this part is easy, because you can't see it.
He can then say what he wants. Nobody is paying any attention to his posts other than the individual he is targeting, so who cares what he says about you? Literally nobody but him and you, so remove the you from that equation.
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Starry Wisdom
No you didn't. You put me on ignore, what Edie's proposing is mutual ignore, both of us ignoring the other and, presumably, not referring to each other. You and I never agreed that, which is rather different.
A long read:
Britt's widely-quoted definitions on the one hand:
1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread
domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.
6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.
9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
Britt's widely-quoted definitions on the one hand:
1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread
domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.
6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.
9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
Umberto Eco on the other:
Umberto Eco on Fascism |
Britt's is like a list of the symptoms of a childhood illness, for parents. Eco's is more analytical in an Eco-y way.
Umberto Eco on Fascism |
Britt's is like a list of the symptoms of a childhood illness, for parents. Eco's is more analytical in an Eco-y way.
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Starry Wisdom
An eco chamber
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