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Still no news on the Piastri contract decision yet then?
Pierre Gasly was heard saying “I’m still working on the final details of the contract,” by Ferrari's YouTube channel over last weekends race, I think he was talking about a contract with Alpine as he already has a contract with AlphaTauri for next season. So what "final details" would there need to worked out with AlphaTauri. I think Red Bull will let him go for a price and it would be a good deal for him.

It wouldn't surprise me to hear that Mick Schumacher replaces Gasly now he is out of his contract with Ferrari.

Not sure why AlphaTauri would want to replace Gasly, alright he's not been great this year but has out scored his team mate and the last couple of years he was consistently getting good results for them. Why replace him with Schumacher who everyone seems to agree has not lived up to expectations.
 

Four teams bringing updates to Dutch Grand Prix

Red Bull, Ferrari and Mercedes have all arrived at Zandvoort with exactly the same packages they had last weekend at Spa, with none of the three teams bringing any updates. On Thursday, the teams are required to present their cars to the FIA, with a spokesperson for each team notifying the governing body of updates.


While teams may elect to run a higher downforce setting, necessitating the use of a different setup of rear wing, this is not necessarily an update, if such a wing has previously been used this season. Only Alpine, AlphaTauri, Williams and Alfa Romeo have included updates, albeit minor ones.

Alfa Romeo has modified the shape of the brake ducts at the rear with the aim of directing more air towards the diffuser. Alpine have arrived and Zandvoort with slightly modified front and rear wings for more downforce and less drag, while AlphaTauri have an updated rear wing for the same purpose. The update to Williams is the smallest. The Grove-based squad have slightly modified their front wing endplates in order to improve the balance at the front of the car.
 
Porsche, Honda or Red Bull
It appears that there is a gap between what Porsche believed it had agreed with Dietrich Mateschitz and what Red Bull is actually willing to sell. From what I have read it seems that Porsche believed they were buying into Red Bull Technology, the owners of Red Bull F1 team, but Dietrich Mateschitz wants them to buy into Red Bull Powertrains a separate company that will only be the power-unit supplier to the F1 team.

To complicate things, Honda are reviewing their decision to leave F1 now that Red Bull are winning, there is devision with-in the management of Honda back in Japan according to friends of mine who live there, they claim that the press is reporting this devision in the Japanese news (not sure why this hasn't been reported in the rest of the worlds press, although I have read stories about Hando staying in F1).

I expect this all to be resolved by mid-October this year as any company intending to supply power units from then to have voting rights on future regulation changes they must have an agreement by then. Assuming the Red Bull deal does not happen, could any Porsche PU programme with a different team be based around the Audi (ex-Porsche!) unit? Ostensibly, no. You cannot badge-engineer a common power unit between two different brands (Audi’s power unit will be based upon an initial Porsche R&D project for a non-ERS-h hybrid F1 unit of a few years ago).

The timing of signing up for voting rights and the badging of power units are F1’s own. When they were conceived, Porsche was coming and Honda was not, so those requirements presented no difficulty. Now they do and in doing so they risk the participation of two automotive manufacturers. So it would be no surprise if F1 became flexible on those requirements or at least tried to relieve some of the time pressure. Red Bull Powertrains recently fired up its first engine and has recruited heavily from Mercedes, Renault and elsewhere. This is the basis of the ’26 power unit that was originally going to be badged as a Porsche, but which, if Porsche sticks to its ‘no team/no deal position’ could yet be badged as either a Honda or a Red Bull. The clear message is that the Red Bull Powertrains power unit will be forging ahead and in the back of the 2026 Red Bull, regardless of badging.
 
Dutch GP FP1
George Russell spearheaded a Mercedes one-two in opening practice for the Dutch Grand Prix as the team suggested a return to form after its shocking performance in Belgium a week ago. Team principal Toto Wolff lamented the worst qualifying display in his 10 years in the sport as Hamilton and Russell finished a staggering 1.8secs and 2.1s respectively off the pace of polesitter Verstappen who went on to complete a crushing win from 14th.

But despite barely any time to work on the car over the past few days, Mercedes had the edge on its rivals around the short 4.3-kilometre circuit by the seaside. Russell posted a time of one minute 12.455s, finishing 0.240s ahead of team-mate Hamilton, with Ferrari's Carlos Sainz their nearest challenger, a further 0.150s back. The Mercedes duo took advantage of Verstappen's rare reliability woes as his FP1 lasted just 10 minutes due to a gearbox issue grinding his Red Bull to a halt.

Roars reverberated around the Zandvoort circuit when Verstappen took to a track where he won in commanding fashion a year ago on F1's return after a long absence. The reigning champion had run for seven laps, and was top of the timesheet with a lap of 1:14.714s when his RB18 suddenly slowed and stopped. Verstappen reported a gearbox fault, leading to the session being red flagged and halted for nine minutes before his car was retrieved and returned to the garage. Earlier today, a seal was broken on the gearbox of Verstappen's car in order to change the main-shaft locking insert. That was done without penalty. It is unknown at this stage whether that had any impact on the gearbox failure.

Like Mercedes, McLaren duo Lando Norris and Daniel Ricciardo also surprised as they were fourth and fifth quickest, 0.474s and 0.622s down respectively, Charles Leclerc, now 98 points adrift of Verstappen in the drivers' standings and who says he has thrown in the towel on his title hopes, was down in sixth, followed by Verstappen's team-mate Sergio Perez. The Mexican almost made it a double retirement in the session as he flirted with the barriers in running off track and onto the grass at one point but managed to avoid a crash. He finished almost a second back.

Alpine duo Fernando Alonso and Esteban Ocon were eighth and ninth best, followed by Williams' Alex Albon who completed the top 10, with the Thai-British driver 1.608s down. Haas driver Mick Schumacher, subject of considerable speculation about his future, led the second half of the field, with Williams' Nicholas Latifi bringing up the rear, 2.667s off the pace. On soft tyres, Latifi was unable to climb above Verstappen whose best lap before his early exit was run on the hard compound.

FP1 result
1 George Russell Mercedes 1:12.455 5

2 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes +0.240 4

3 Carlos Sainz Ferrari +0.390 6

4 Lando Norris McLaren +0.474 4

5 Daniel Ricciardo McLaren +0.622 4

6 Charles Leclerc Ferrari +0.672 5

7 Sergio Perez Red Bull Racing +0.961 4

8 Fernando Alonso Alpine +1.178 4

9 Esteban Ocon Alpine +1.508 5

10 Alexander Albon Williams +1.608 5

11 Mick Schumacher Haas F1 Team +1.708 5

12 Lance Stroll Aston Martin +1.802 5

13 Kevin Magnussen Haas F1 Team +1.950 4

14 Pierre Gasly AlphaTauri +2.019 4

15 Sebastian Vettel Aston Martin +2.045 4

16 Guanyu Zhou Alfa Romeo +2.079 5

17 Yuki Tsunoda AlphaTauri +2.175 3

18 Valtteri Bottas Alfa Romeo +2.240 4

19 Max Verstappen Red Bull Racing +2.259 1

20 Nicholas Latifi Williams +2.667 4
 
I wonder why timings for the sessions this weekend were changed? :confused:

At the start of the week, the sessions were definitely the same as Spa.

To avoid ambiguity, the session times are stated to be:

FP2 - 15:00 Fri
FP3 - 11:00 Sat
Qual: - 14:00 Sat
Race - 14:00 Sun
 

FIA's CRB rule Piastri has valid McLaren contract for 2023

The FIA's Contract Recognition Board (CRB) has ruled in favour of McLaren in the dispute with Alpine over the Formula 1 services of Oscar Piastri. Alpine had intended to promote its junior driver to a 2023 race seat alongside Esteban Ocon, replacing Fernando Alonso who defected to Aston Martin. However, Piastri refused the drive saying on social media he would "not be driving for Alpine in 2023."

With both parties claiming a right for the 2021 Formula 2 champion, the independent CRB met to investigate the evidence to see who had a valid contract to hand Piastri his F1 debut. The hearing began on Monday (29th August), with the ruling delivered on Friday afternoon of the Dutch Grand Prix weekend. The CRB found that McLaren does have a valid contract for the Australian to partner Lando Norris from 2023 and 2024 with Alpine not having an F1 contract in place.

Piastri grateful for McLaren debut
“I’m extremely excited to be making my F1 debut with such a prestigious team as McLaren and I’m very grateful for the opportunity that’s been offered to me," explained Piastri in a McLaren statement. "The team has a long tradition of giving young talent a chance, and I’m looking forward to working hard alongside Lando to push the team towards the front of the grid. I’m focused on preparing for my F1 debut in 2023 and starting my F1 career in papaya," added Piastri, who will replace fellow Australian Daniel Ricciardo.

“The entire team is delighted to welcome Oscar to McLaren for the 2023 F1 season. He has an impressive racing career to date, and we are sure that together with Lando, he will be able to help us move another step forward towards our ambitions," said McLaren Team Principal Andreas Seidl. "We still have an important job to do this season which the team remains focused on, before we will then ensure Oscar is integrated into the team as quickly as possible and ready for the challenges ahead. We look forward to preparing for an exciting 2023 season together.” His thoughts were echoed by McLaren CEO Zak Brown who called Piastri "one of the up-and-coming talents coming through the feeder series. Winning both F3 and F2 in successive rookie seasons is a real achievement and testament to his talent in single-seater racing.
In Lando and Oscar we have a young, exciting F1 line-up with a huge amount of potential, standing us in good stead to achieve our future ambitions. Oscar is an exciting addition to the McLaren family, and we look forward to seeing him grow with our F1 team.”

 
Dutch GP FP2
Charles Leclerc was fastest in FP2 at Zandvoort as Ferrari bested Mercedes in the second practice session of the day. Zandvoort is this weekend’s venue and so far it’s Mercedes and Ferrari that are setting the pace out in front, with Red Bull having a few issues. Indeed, Max Verstappen could only go eighth fastest in FP2 after suffering gearbox issues earlier on in the day in FP1 and is clearly still working on set-up, whilst Sergio Perez was outside the top ten. Alongside Leclerc was team-mate Carlos Sainz, with Lewis Hamilton P3 ahead of Lando Norris, with McLaren evidently looking good this weekend.


George Russell was P5 ahead of Lance Stroll in P6, whilst Fernando Alonso was ahead of the aforementioned Max Verstappen. Rounding out the top ten, meanwhile, were Esteban Ocon and Daniel Ricciardo, with the Aussie going into the session fresh off of the news that Oscar Piastri had been confirmed as his replacement for McLaren for 2023.

Results (Classification):
  1. Charles Leclerc Scuderia Ferrari -1:12.345
  2. Carlos Sainz Scuderia Ferrari +0.004
  3. Lewis Hamilton Mercedes +0.072
  4. Lando Norris McLaren +0.103
  5. George Russell Mercedes +0.310
  6. Lance Stroll Aston Martin +0.401
  7. Fernando Alonso Alpine +0.503
  8. Max Verstappen Red Bull Racing +0.697
  9. Esteban Ocon Alpine +0.960
  10. Daniel Ricciardo McLaren +1.017
  11. Yuki Tsunoda AlphaTauri +1.074
  12. Sergio Perez Red Bull Racing +1.148
  13. Mick Schumacher Haas +1.259
  14. Sebastian Vettel Aston Martin +1.266
  15. Zhou Guanyu Alfa Romeo +1.279
  16. Pierre Gasly AlphaTauri +1.321
  17. Alexander Albon Williams Racing +1.492
  18. Valtteri Bottas Alfa Romeo +1.822
  19. Kevin Magnussen Haas +1.937
  20. Nicholas Latifi Williams Racing +2.452
 

Haas have ‘three, possibly four’ driver options for 2023

Haas’ candidate list for 2023 has been whittled down to three, maybe four, drivers with Mick Schumacher reportedly up against Daniel Ricciardo, Nico Hulkenberg and Antonio Giovinazzi. Haas have half of their line-up confirmed with Kevin Magnussen having signed a multi-year contract to return to Formula 1 at the beginning of this season. But who his team-mate will be is anyone’s guess right now as Haas have admitted they are looking at options outside of their current driver Schumacher. Scoring only twice in 35 race starts, the 23-year-old has not covered himself in glory during his time on the Formula 1 grid. As such, Haas are weighing up their options while Schumacher is said to be in the running for either an Alpine, Williams or AlphaTauri drive.

Team boss Guenther Steiner is in no rush to make a decision, the Italian saying he would rather risk losing a driver from his list than making the wrong choice. “It’s a start, not the end,” said Steiner, “It’s not that we didn’t speak together about drivers or what to do but we decided to wait a bit. We are not in a hurry. We monitor the situation with Mick and see what is happening. We are not in a hurry, why do we need to decide now anyway? If we decide now and make the wrong decision and we regret it, why would we force ourselves to decide?” The team boss says he will “consciously take the risk” that a driver on his list is snapped up elsewhere as “maybe the opportunity is bigger than the risk”.

As for his criteria, Steiner says the Haas higher-ups are still debating exactly what it is they want from their second driver. “We have to make the choice based on who is best for the team, not just who I personally want,” he said. “What is best for the team’s future, and that will come from the dialogue. What do you want to do? A riskier version? A safe version? What we are looking for is someone to take the team forward. Is that a really fast driver or a solid driver who can help drive the team forward? Someone who has high peaks or someone more able to help us develop?”

The Italian confirmed there are “three, possibly four” drivers on Haas’ list but would not name names. "For sure that cockpit is more interesting than it was last year,” he continued. “I remember when we let Kevin [Magnussen] and Romain [Grosjean] go at the end of 2020 and I said ‘guys, you probably don’t want to be here in ’21 because it will probably be a very disappointing year’. Now the car is much better and I think will get better over time too, so obviously we are a much more interesting opportunity. But we are not in a hurry to make a decision.”

Those three are believed to be Ricciardo, Hulkenberg and Giovanazzi, who will put in two FP1 sessions with Haas at Ferrari’s request.

Cutting Ferrari ties will not hurt Schumacher’s chances.
But while Giovinazzi still has ties to Ferrari, current Haas driver Schumacher is reportedly set to sever his at the end of this season. That too could have an impact on the 23-year-old’s future, with Ferrari assisting him in getting the Haas race seat last season. However, Steiner insists whom Haas put in the car is solely their choice. “I don’t know the contract he has with Ferrari and I don’t want to know,” Steiner said. “Ferrari would ask Haas to hang on to him and things like this, we will speak about, but we always speak to Ferrari and try to work together but they do not make the decision for us. You cannot make the decision for the other team because then you make it not work, that is the other thing. There are a lot of things that are pretty simplistic and we all know them, but it’s not like you can enforce something. Enforcing something, sometimes you don’t get the best result, it’s counter-productive. We will try to find the best solution for us and Ferrari and if we cannot find it, we will do something different. It’s not like I can tell you what to do and I can ask you what to give me. A collaboration exists in finding the best compromise for both parties.”
 

Dutch Grand Prix Free Practice 3

Charles Leclerc topped the final practice session of the Dutch Grand Prix weekend, going quicker than George Russell and Max Verstappen. The final practice session has set us up for a potentially thrilling qualifying, with three teams arguably in contention to seal pole position. Mercedes started the weekend quickest and have looked competitive ever since FP1, with Ferrari also well in the mix with Carlos Sainz topping FP2 and now his team-mate taking top spot in FP3.

Red Bull, meanwhile, have been a little late to the party up near the top of the time-sheets this weekend so far but made amends on Saturday lunchtime, with Verstappen into the top three for the first time this weekend in front of his home crowd, and team-mate Sergio Perez going sixth fastest, just behind Sainz and Lewis Hamilton.


The top six were separated by just over half a second, with Fernando Alonso the best of the rest in the Alpine ahead of Sebastian Vettel for Aston Martin. Rounding out the top ten were Mick Schumacher in the Haas and Lando Norris in the McLaren.

2022 Dutch Grand Prix - Free Practice 3 results

PosDriverTeamTimeGapLaps
1Charles LeclercFerrari1:11.632s20
2George RussellMercedes1:11.698s+ 0.066s24
3Max VerstappenRed Bull1:11.793s+ 0.161s22
4Carlos SainzFerrari1:11.971s+ 0.339s17
5Lewis HamiltonMercedes1:12.156s+ 0.524s25
6Sergio PérezRed Bull1:12.176s+ 0.544s29
7Fernando AlonsoAlpine1:12.327s+ 0.695s16
8Sebastian VettelAston Martin1:12.491s+ 0.859s25
9Mick SchumacherHaas1:12.558s+ 0.926s15
10Lando NorrisMcLaren1:12.591s+ 0.959s18
11Kevin MagnussenHaas1:12.606s+ 0.974s15
12Lance StrollAston Martin1:12.773s+ 1.141s18
13Alexander AlbonWilliams1:12.775s+ 1.143s18
14Esteban OconAlpine1:13.003s+ 1.371s20
15Pierre GaslyAlphaTauri1:13.046s+ 1.414s23
16Yuki TsunodaAlphaTauri1:13.256s+ 1.624s22
17Daniel RicciardoMcLaren1:13.299s+ 1.667s20
18Valtteri BottasAlfa Romeo1:13.359s+ 1.727s15
19Zhou GuanyuAlfa Romeo1:13.421s+ 1.789s14
20Nicholas LatifiWilliams1:13.625s+ 1.993s22
 

FIA warned to "respect" rules over Herta signing

Haas team principal Guenther Steiner has warned of the precedence the FIA could set should it find a workaround to grant Colton Herta a superlicence for the 2023 F1 season. The F1 transfer market is likely to continue to be busy in the coming weeks, with Pierre Gasly expected to move to Alpine as its replacement for Fernando Alonso. This comes after the FIA's independent Contract Recognition Board ruled that only McLaren held a valid deal with Oscar Piastri.


Although AlphaTauri team principal Franz Tost has remained tight-lipped on next year's driver line-up, Red Bull advisor Helmut Marko has expressed an interest in IndyCar driver Herta who is contracted to McLaren. The American is eight points shy of acquiring a superlicence but the FIA could award it to him via force majeure, in this case, that the Covid pandemic prevented him from reaching the required level. "We have got rules and regulations which we need to respect," said Steiner. "If we don't respect our own rules and try to find ways around them, I don't think that's correct. We could then apply that to other things as well and I am now not talking about Colton, [I am speaking] in general about rules. We made them ourselves, we signed on to them. There is a governance and we need to respect it."

Steiner warns changing rules "takes time"
Herta could add points to his name by completing the six FP1 sessions that will run after the conclusion of the IndyCar season but this would still leave him two points short of the required number. A driver can achieve up to 10 points using this method so long as they complete 100km in the session and don't receive any penalty points. Reflecting on the use of force majeure as an argument, Steiner added: "It is a discussion point but Covid was everywhere. It didn't stop any series from racing. I am one of them that says that if you have got rules, if you don't respect them and try to find ways around them then we need to change the rules. And that is a different discussion. If we want to change the rule, let's speak about it. But again, there is governance in place. You cannot change the rules for tomorrow. It takes time."
 

Marko closes the Red Bull door on Schumacher


With Red Bull junior team AlphaTauri highly likely to have a spare seat for 2023, Helmut Marko has rejected any potential move for Mick Schumacher. In the latest stages of the F1 driver transfer market, Red Bull junior team AlphaTauri appear likely to lose Pierre Gasly to Alpine. This would leave the team with an available seat for next season, alongside Yuki Tsunoda. Historically, Red Bull teams have typically stuck to using drivers from their own talent pool, but have occasionally looked elsewhere.

With Haas driver Schumacher out of contract at the end of the season and currently without a drive for next year, there has been speculation about his plans for 2023. When Red Bull Motorsport Advisor Marko was asked by Sky Germanyif Schumacher was under consideration for an AlphaTauri drive, he responded firmly: "No, He is not one of us. He is a Ferrari junior and that is why we have never done business with him. We have our own programme and prefer our own people."


 

Lando Norris the new James Hunt?

An amusing series of messages have emerged that were accredited to McLaren’s Lando Norris, following his split with Luisinha Barosa Oliveira. The 22-year-old started dating the Portuguese model towards the end of last year, and they confirmed the start of their relationship on Instagram. The pair endured months of invasive comments from fans on social media, some of whom, strangely, took offence to the presence of Oliveira in the McLaren driver’s life. Now though, Norris and Oliveira have amicably split, with the young Briton taking to Instagram to announce the sad news. “Hello everyone. After time and consideration, Luisa and myself have mutually decided to end our relationship but remain good friends,” he explained. “I wish her the world and have so much respect for her and all she does as an amazing and strong woman with nothing but kindness. Please respect our decision and respect our but more importantly and especially her privacy moving forward. Thank you for your endless support.’


A questionable source leaked some messages that Norris allegedly sent to a woman he supposedly met at last year’s Dutch Grand Prix. He is said to have invited her to his hotel room to enjoy a takeout after he had separated from Oliveira.

“Ordering McDonald’s come join,” he said. “Don’t you have a boyfriend, or single?” he is then rumoured to have asked after the woman supposedly messaged him about his status.

“Yeah I have, and you too right?” was the reported reply.

“I’m single now,” Norris allegedly replied. “Please delete them haha,” the source quotes Norris as saying after discovering that the messages had been leaked.

😂😂😂😂
 

Qualifying Results 2022 Dutch Grand Prix


Q3

  1. Max Verstappen Red Bull Racing -1:10.342
  2. Charles Leclerc Scuderia Ferrari +0.021
  3. Carlos Sainz Scuderia Ferrari +0.092
  4. Lewis Hamilton Mercedes +0.306
  5. Sergio Perez Red Bull Racing +0.735
  6. George Russell Mercedes +0.805
  7. Lando Norris McLaren +0.832
  8. Mick Schumacher Haas +1.100
  9. Yuki Tsunoda AlphaTauri +2.214
  10. Lance Stroll Aston Martin NC

Q2

  1. Carlos Sainz Scuderia Ferrari -1:10.814
  2. George Russell Mercedes +0.010
  3. Max Verstappen Red Bull Racing +0.113
  4. Charles Leclerc Scuderia Ferrari +0.174
  5. Lewis Hamilton Mercedes +0.261
  6. Lando Norris McLaren +0.302
  7. Sergio Perez Red Bull Racing +0.500
  8. Lance Stroll Aston Martin +0.602
  9. Mick Schumacher Haas +0.606
  10. Yuki Tsunoda AlphaTauri +0.614
  11. Pierre Gasly AlphaTauri +0.698
  12. Esteban Ocon Alpine +0.791
  13. Fernando Alonso Alpine +0.799
  14. Zhou Guanyu Alfa Romeo +0.890
  15. Alexander Albon Williams Racing +0.988
Q1

  1. Max Verstappen Red Bull Racing -1:11.317
  2. Lewis Hamilton Mercedes +0.014
  3. Yuki Tsunoda AlphaTauri +0.110
  4. Charles Leclerc Scuderia Ferrari +0.126
  5. Lando Norris McLaren +0.239
  6. George Russell Mercedes +0.244
  7. Lance Stroll Aston Martin +0.251
  8. Sergio Perez Red Bull Racing +0.324
  9. Fernando Alonso Alpine +0.350
  10. Alexander Albon Williams Racing +0.378
  11. Pierre Gasly AlphaTauri +0.388
  12. Mick Schumacher Haas +0.424
  13. Esteban Ocon Alpine +0.431
  14. Carlos Sainz Scuderia Ferrari +0.450
  15. Zhou Guanyu Alfa Romeo +0.509
  16. Valtteri Bottas Alfa Romeo +0.644
  17. Kevin Magnussen Haas +0.724
  18. Daniel Ricciardo McLaren +0.764
  19. Sebastian Vettel Aston Martin +1.074
  20. Nicholas Latifi Williams Racing +2.036
 
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Interesting comment from Toto claiming that Lewis was a tenth up on both Max and Charles on his final run and it had to be aborted because of Sergio's yellow flag.

If that's correct it looks good for Mercedes in race pace, if I was the strategist for Mercedes I think I'd start Lewis on the mediums as it is hard to pass here even with Perez behind him so he can run longest and try to make up the places infront of him. They need to take a risk if they want to finish first.
 
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Christian Horner 'afraid he will be fired' from Red Bull with replacement already lined up

Christian Horner reportedly is 'afraid' that he will lose his job as Red Bull team principal as talks with Porsche over a takeover deal hit an impasse. Red Bull have been looking to tie up a deal with Porsche from 2026 to help with the team's power unit. Reports earlier in the summer indicated that an agreement had been made on Porsche purchasing 50 per cent of the Red Bull Formula One operation, making them equal partners in a 10-year deal. But talks have stalled in recent weeks with the indication that senior figures at Red Bull are not privy to the prospect of losing most of their control.

Red Bull started up their own Powertrains company in February 2021 in a landmark moment for the F1 team having previously partnered with Cosworth, Ferrari, Renault and Honda for their engine. And they fired up their first ever engine earlier this summer, which is designed for use from 2026 and onwards. It's been indicated that even with Porsche on board, Red Bull plan to take on most or even all of the technical work when the new engine regulations come in for 2026. But that is where negotiations with Porsche have seemingly stalled with Horner, Helmut Marko and Adrian Newey all said to be against the current deal on the table.

According to F1 journalist Olav Mol, Horner even fears that he would lose his job if Red Bull accept Porsche's current terms. “We hear rumours about Christian Horner and the new deal with Porsche," he said Christian Horner reportedly is 'afraid' that he will lose his job as Red Bull team principal as talks with Porsche over a takeover deal hit an impasse. Red Bull have been looking to tie up a deal with Porsche from 2026 to help with the team's power unit. Reports earlier in the summer indicated that an agreement had been made on Porsche purchasing 50 per cent of the Red Bull Formula One operation, making them equal partners in a 10-year deal. But talks have stalled in recent weeks with the indication that senior figures at Red Bull are not privy to the prospect of losing most of their control.

Red Bull started up their own Powertrains company in February 2021 in a landmark moment for the F1 team having previously partnered with Cosworth, Ferrari, Renault and Honda for their engine. And they fired up their first ever engine earlier this summer, which is designed for use from 2026 and onwards. It's been indicated that even with Porsche on board, Red Bull plan to take on most or even all of the technical work when the new engine regulations come in for 2026. But that is where negotiations with Porsche have seemingly stalled with Horner, Helmut Marko and Adrian Newey all said to be against the current deal on the table.

Porsche are keen on hiring Andreas Seidl According to F1 journalist Olav Mol, Horner even fears that he would lose his job if Red Bull accept Porsche's current terms. “We hear rumours about Christian Horner and the new deal with Porsche," he said. “According to our sources, Christian Horner is afraid that he will be fired if Porsche takes control of Red Bull." It is claimed that Porsche already has a replacement in mind for Horner should the team principal lose his role. McLaren team boss Andreas Seidl is said to be at the top of their list having previously worked with Porsche in the WEC Championship.

Red Bull boss Dietrich Mateschitz is said to be the main one pushing for the current terms with Porsche, indicating there are some tensions behind the scenes at the F1 team. Horner was asked about the potential link-up with Porsche earlier this week ahead of the Dutch Grand Prix. “There’s not really too much to report,” Horner said. “We’ve consistently said we are pushing on with Red Bull Powertrains. It’s making great strides, with our first fire-up of the first ever Red Bull engine a couple of weeks ago. So 2026 is a long way away and we are very focused on our plan, on the engine we are producing, with the talent we are bringing into the team. It’s great to see Audi coming into the sport and anything Red Bull would consider would have to fit in with the long-term strategy of the team. There’s plenty of time ahead.”
 
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