F1 2017
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beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Yeah, why not? The sport needs a bit of honest opinion from time to time.But do you say so to the crowd that had paid loads of money to see it, in front of the track owners and promoters, in front of the the sports owners and as many as 1 billion people watching on the telly
Sometimes is best to keep your opinion to yourself
Indeliblelink
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I know we're meant to applaud advances in driver safety but can't help thinking the halos will slightly lessen my enjoyment of the sport. I guess if it stops another Bianchi type incident we should be grateful. Next year is also the last year we get to live races for free before Murdoch fucks it.
Cracking season from Lewis, he seems like he's been on another level this year.
Cracking season from Lewis, he seems like he's been on another level this year.
1%er
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I think they will come up with Halo 2.0 very quickly I believe. They had to do something for legal reasons having come up with what they claimed was a solution.
F1 is fast to adapt so something better will be in place for the engine change in 2021 I'd hope, if not before, mind you a driver facing camera mounted on the Halo could give some interesting shots when drivers get angry
F1 is fast to adapt so something better will be in place for the engine change in 2021 I'd hope, if not before, mind you a driver facing camera mounted on the Halo could give some interesting shots when drivers get angry
Limejuice
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Kimi Kam!!a driver facing camera mounted on the Halo could give some interesting shots when drivers get angry
1%er
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Indeliblelink There are lots of sites now showing the races live, even sometimes on youtube. Sites from USA, Australia, New Zealand if you don't want to watch Sky that have English commentary
Indeliblelink
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Well the ones I've tried are OK but the quality isn't as good and you have to navigate a minefield of pop ups. Always happy to learn of new ones though.Indeliblelink There are lots of sites now showing the races live, even sometimes on youtube. Sites from USA, Australia, New Zealand if you don't want to watch Sky
1%er
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I tend to use VIPBox | VIP Box TV - VIP Sports Live Cool Sports Streams I don't get pop-ups there after the start and only 2 at the beginning (I use an adblocker). I found that if you start to stream early you get a good quality stream, if I'm late in getting it going the quality can be crap. I use the links at the top for Sky F1 channel and today had it going through a big screen TV and it was great.
hipipol
Peckham Wry
All the more reason to avoid watching this tosh next year - fake disney bollocks
that it has become - Rally cross sounds better.....
1%er
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Bye
Indeliblelink
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Yes, know this one but it still means I have to watch the Sky team and apart from Brundle & Kravitz I can't stand them.
hipipol
Peckham Wry
Limejuice
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1%er
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I thought about starting one but as all the teams haven't named all their drivers yet I didn't bother.
I think it is good to have the race calendar (and pre-season test dates), teams with drivers names and rule/regulation changes in the first post or two for easy reference (maybe even the new 'controversial" logo at the top), but it isn't my thread so anyone is free to start one.
1%er
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Well the new logo seems to be like Marmite, personally I like it, not sure it is better than the old one, but times move on. For sure it is very simple and will become very recognizable very quickly. Just 3 lines say everything, I wish I could come up with something that simple that identifies such a massive brand.
I'm sure it will grow on people over time but at the moment it seems so different, its just new owners stamping themselves on the brand and out of the 3 shown up thread I think they picked the best.
I'm sure it will grow on people over time but at the moment it seems so different, its just new owners stamping themselves on the brand and out of the 3 shown up thread I think they picked the best.
1%er
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Sponsorship news for next season
Ferrari
Some bad news for Ferrari in the Italian press. It is being reported that Santander who have sponsored the team for the past 8 years, have decided that they will not continue as a Ferrari's sponsor, which could cost the team around 40 million Euros. The report in El Confidencial claims that the talks didn't go very well and it is unclear if the bank will sponsor the team but in a much smaller way. By far the biggest Ferrari sponsor is still Philip Morris and there cigarette brand Marlboro, this partnership has now been running for 40 years despite the fact that no Marlboro branded advertising has been seen on the car since 2007. They did try and use the cigarette package bar code for a while but that was banned in 2010. Interestingly enough Ferrari team principal Maurizio Arrivabene previously worked for Philip Morris International while Ferrari chairman Sergio Marchionne is on the tobacco company’s board of directors. I wonder how long this sponsorship can continue with a brand that has no visible advertising on the car.
Ferrari are also getting lots of stick in the Italian press over the performance of the Team and its drivers, the last time they won a driver and constrictor championship was 10 years ago with Kimi winning the drivers championship and 2008 was the last time Ferrari won the constructors title. Comments in the press are not good, Corriere dello Sport said "as the fireworks exploded in Abu Dhabi, the alarm bells sounded in Maranello", La Gazzetta dello Sport claimed "It was a sad and pale finale for Ferrari, Questions hang in the air. Are Vettel-Raikkonen able to beat Hamilton-Bottas? What caused the psychological collapse of Vettel and the wavering achievements of Raikkonen? Does Ferrari need a mental coach or the complaints of Arrivabene and Marchionne? From the outside one has the impression that at Ferrari there is a constant, exaggerated and pointless tension". Leo Turrini wrote "Napoleon claimed he could change the world in 100 days but he failed. Now Arrivabene and Binotto have just over 11 days to prepare for 2018". The team must be feeling the pressure.
Aston Martin
Aston Martin have announced that they will become the Red Bulls team's title sponsor from 2018. It has been clear for sometime that the car makers sees a future in F1 not only as a sponsor but also as an engine suppler(I believe in partnership with independent engine builder Cosworth). The new boss at Aston Martin Andy Palmer has turned the car company around and they even made a profit last year, the first time in many years. He plans to expand the number of models they produce and believes Formula 1 is the key to market awareness and wider brand recognition. He wants to see the historic British sportscar brand as a direct and realistic competitor to the likes of Ferrari and McLaren.
He is reported in the press as saying that if the cost of engines reduce from 2021 "It moves from probably I wouldn't propose it to the board to probably I would".
McLaren
There are reports in the media following Zak Brown's comments over the Abu Dhabi race weekend that McLaren have signed two new sponsors for 2018, those the new sponsors are believed to be Petrobras and Setta Camara. Petrobras the Brazilian oil multinational company who have severed ties with their former partners Williams, reports earlier in the year claimed this was due to problems inside the company. For those who don't know Petrobras has been caught up in a massive corruption scandal here in Brazil and the investigation into it is called Lava Jato (meaning car wash). Basically the oil company was paying off politicos from all parties and diverting billions of Dollars from contracts into the personal accounts of both company directors and politicians, to the tune of more that $100 million in some cases that have been found in Swiss bank accounts.
I am a little surprised that Petrobras are continuing sponsorship in F1 for a couple of reasons, firstly, the corruption scandal and secondly there is no Brazilian driver in F1 next season. Reports in the press here have claimed that Petrobras are barred from signing any new sponsorship deals until the end of the Lava Jato investigation, which is far from over. So it will be interesting to see if the oil company really are going to sponsor McLaren.
Ferrari
Some bad news for Ferrari in the Italian press. It is being reported that Santander who have sponsored the team for the past 8 years, have decided that they will not continue as a Ferrari's sponsor, which could cost the team around 40 million Euros. The report in El Confidencial claims that the talks didn't go very well and it is unclear if the bank will sponsor the team but in a much smaller way. By far the biggest Ferrari sponsor is still Philip Morris and there cigarette brand Marlboro, this partnership has now been running for 40 years despite the fact that no Marlboro branded advertising has been seen on the car since 2007. They did try and use the cigarette package bar code for a while but that was banned in 2010. Interestingly enough Ferrari team principal Maurizio Arrivabene previously worked for Philip Morris International while Ferrari chairman Sergio Marchionne is on the tobacco company’s board of directors. I wonder how long this sponsorship can continue with a brand that has no visible advertising on the car.
Ferrari are also getting lots of stick in the Italian press over the performance of the Team and its drivers, the last time they won a driver and constrictor championship was 10 years ago with Kimi winning the drivers championship and 2008 was the last time Ferrari won the constructors title. Comments in the press are not good, Corriere dello Sport said "as the fireworks exploded in Abu Dhabi, the alarm bells sounded in Maranello", La Gazzetta dello Sport claimed "It was a sad and pale finale for Ferrari, Questions hang in the air. Are Vettel-Raikkonen able to beat Hamilton-Bottas? What caused the psychological collapse of Vettel and the wavering achievements of Raikkonen? Does Ferrari need a mental coach or the complaints of Arrivabene and Marchionne? From the outside one has the impression that at Ferrari there is a constant, exaggerated and pointless tension". Leo Turrini wrote "Napoleon claimed he could change the world in 100 days but he failed. Now Arrivabene and Binotto have just over 11 days to prepare for 2018". The team must be feeling the pressure.
Aston Martin
Aston Martin have announced that they will become the Red Bulls team's title sponsor from 2018. It has been clear for sometime that the car makers sees a future in F1 not only as a sponsor but also as an engine suppler(I believe in partnership with independent engine builder Cosworth). The new boss at Aston Martin Andy Palmer has turned the car company around and they even made a profit last year, the first time in many years. He plans to expand the number of models they produce and believes Formula 1 is the key to market awareness and wider brand recognition. He wants to see the historic British sportscar brand as a direct and realistic competitor to the likes of Ferrari and McLaren.
He is reported in the press as saying that if the cost of engines reduce from 2021 "It moves from probably I wouldn't propose it to the board to probably I would".
McLaren
There are reports in the media following Zak Brown's comments over the Abu Dhabi race weekend that McLaren have signed two new sponsors for 2018, those the new sponsors are believed to be Petrobras and Setta Camara. Petrobras the Brazilian oil multinational company who have severed ties with their former partners Williams, reports earlier in the year claimed this was due to problems inside the company. For those who don't know Petrobras has been caught up in a massive corruption scandal here in Brazil and the investigation into it is called Lava Jato (meaning car wash). Basically the oil company was paying off politicos from all parties and diverting billions of Dollars from contracts into the personal accounts of both company directors and politicians, to the tune of more that $100 million in some cases that have been found in Swiss bank accounts.
I am a little surprised that Petrobras are continuing sponsorship in F1 for a couple of reasons, firstly, the corruption scandal and secondly there is no Brazilian driver in F1 next season. Reports in the press here have claimed that Petrobras are barred from signing any new sponsorship deals until the end of the Lava Jato investigation, which is far from over. So it will be interesting to see if the oil company really are going to sponsor McLaren.
1%er
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Mercedes joins Ferrari in threatening to quit
Having said over the last weekend that Mercedes had no plans to join Ferrari in threatening to leave F1 Toto Wolff today said when asked the question "if Mercedes could join Ferrari in its F1 quit threat" his reply was "Such a scenario is quite conceivable. Just as it is for Ferrari. If we do not see what Formula 1 stands for, then we have to ask ourselves the difficult question, not if but where do we want to operate in motorsport at the highest level?" When asked about Liberty Media's leadership his response was "Doing erratic actions like Michael Buffer in Austin does not make the sport any better. We do not see any vision. Nobody knows where the journey is going. All we know now is that sales and profits have fallen sharply". It would seem that despite winning the drivers and constructors championships the season of good will hasn't yet reached Toto's office
Alfa Romeo Return to F1 for 2018
As speculated about above, Alfa Romeo will return to F1 next season as the title sponsor of Sauber, the team will be called Alfa Romeo Sauber F1. It appears that this is a multi-year deal although their engine supplier will still be called Ferrari the team will carry the Alfa logo.
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/fiat
Fiat Chrysler (who also own the Alfa brand) Automobiles CEO Sergio Marchionne, said: “This agreement with the Sauber F1 Team is a significant step in the reshaping of the Alfa Romeo brand, which will return to Formula 1 after an absence of more than 30 years”. It’s been a busy year for Sauber, who initially struck a deal with Honda as their engine provider for the 2018 season. But in July, Sauber reverted to Ferrari power after Monisha Kaltenborn was replaced by Frederic Vasseur as team principal.
Having said over the last weekend that Mercedes had no plans to join Ferrari in threatening to leave F1 Toto Wolff today said when asked the question "if Mercedes could join Ferrari in its F1 quit threat" his reply was "Such a scenario is quite conceivable. Just as it is for Ferrari. If we do not see what Formula 1 stands for, then we have to ask ourselves the difficult question, not if but where do we want to operate in motorsport at the highest level?" When asked about Liberty Media's leadership his response was "Doing erratic actions like Michael Buffer in Austin does not make the sport any better. We do not see any vision. Nobody knows where the journey is going. All we know now is that sales and profits have fallen sharply". It would seem that despite winning the drivers and constructors championships the season of good will hasn't yet reached Toto's office
Alfa Romeo Return to F1 for 2018
As speculated about above, Alfa Romeo will return to F1 next season as the title sponsor of Sauber, the team will be called Alfa Romeo Sauber F1. It appears that this is a multi-year deal although their engine supplier will still be called Ferrari the team will carry the Alfa logo.
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/fiat
Fiat Chrysler (who also own the Alfa brand) Automobiles CEO Sergio Marchionne, said: “This agreement with the Sauber F1 Team is a significant step in the reshaping of the Alfa Romeo brand, which will return to Formula 1 after an absence of more than 30 years”. It’s been a busy year for Sauber, who initially struck a deal with Honda as their engine provider for the 2018 season. But in July, Sauber reverted to Ferrari power after Monisha Kaltenborn was replaced by Frederic Vasseur as team principal.
