F1 2017
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1%er
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Possibly in the pipeline
Liberty media want F1 "to cross the boundary between sport and show" says Sean Bratches the commercial boss of F1, they are also looking at changing the grid, by having two by two grid the current format at some races and a 3 wide grid at others.
Ross Brawn is also looking at doing away with both Friday practice sessions and increasing the number of races to 25, he is reported as saying "If we didn’t have Friday running we could do more races. The teams have logistical issues the more races we add, of course. But Friday running is important for the promoters and the broadcasters. How do we find the right solution? I think the core race is still for me personally very important. We’re not looking at changing the core event. [But] one of the things we are doing is looking at the format of a race weekend.We’ve got a very open mind about how we go forward. I think on the number of races quality is the vital thing. There’s no point in having more races unless they are quality races. Location, the type of track, the ability to have a great race there is vital. We’re looking at all those elements to see the best way forward. We mustn’t just add races because we can increase the numbers. It’s not sustainable. We’ve got races in the past that came, the quality wasn’t there, and they fell away. That’s not great for our business”.
Liberty media want F1 "to cross the boundary between sport and show" says Sean Bratches the commercial boss of F1, they are also looking at changing the grid, by having two by two grid the current format at some races and a 3 wide grid at others.
Ross Brawn is also looking at doing away with both Friday practice sessions and increasing the number of races to 25, he is reported as saying "If we didn’t have Friday running we could do more races. The teams have logistical issues the more races we add, of course. But Friday running is important for the promoters and the broadcasters. How do we find the right solution? I think the core race is still for me personally very important. We’re not looking at changing the core event. [But] one of the things we are doing is looking at the format of a race weekend.We’ve got a very open mind about how we go forward. I think on the number of races quality is the vital thing. There’s no point in having more races unless they are quality races. Location, the type of track, the ability to have a great race there is vital. We’re looking at all those elements to see the best way forward. We mustn’t just add races because we can increase the numbers. It’s not sustainable. We’ve got races in the past that came, the quality wasn’t there, and they fell away. That’s not great for our business”.
Limejuice
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If by "cross the boundary between sport and show" Liberty means more of that gurning, over-modulated, self-adoring hanger-on who did the interminable intros at Austin, I'm going to need a more powerful TV remote.
Ideally one that delivers an electric shock to the individual speaking when I hit *mute*.
Of course, if Liberty really wants to amplify the franchise, they need an equivalent of Ted's Notebook introduced by some vapid celeb-watcher, who can bring highlights of who was guest of whom, what they were wearing, who they are fucking, what they are tweeting, and what they've posted on Instagram. Tied up into a neat, metastasised bundle and kept well away from the actual racing, it would mean they wouldn't have to interrupt the noisy, wheely things to show us Z-list celebs. I commend this to the house. Cheques made payable to Limejuice's Galaxy Of Fame Productions...
Ideally one that delivers an electric shock to the individual speaking when I hit *mute*.
Of course, if Liberty really wants to amplify the franchise, they need an equivalent of Ted's Notebook introduced by some vapid celeb-watcher, who can bring highlights of who was guest of whom, what they were wearing, who they are fucking, what they are tweeting, and what they've posted on Instagram. Tied up into a neat, metastasised bundle and kept well away from the actual racing, it would mean they wouldn't have to interrupt the noisy, wheely things to show us Z-list celebs. I commend this to the house. Cheques made payable to Limejuice's Galaxy Of Fame Productions...
1%er
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Kvyat out of Toro Rosso
It seems that Kvyat has ran his last race for Toro Rosso, they intend to finish the season with Brendon Hartley and Pierre Gasly. According to Helmut Marko "Kvyat will not return again. We do not believe he can make the turnaround in the long term. Gasly and Hartley are finishing the season. Then we’ll see what happens”. The Red Bull driver feeder team will be switching to Honda power next season. Having put drivers such as Sebastian Vettel, Daniel Ricciardo and Max Verstappen into Red Bull, all of whom have gone on to win races, it is looking like they may have a deficit of young drivers to come in the next year or two. Hartley at 27 can hardly be considered a young driver. It will be interesting to see their driver line-up for 2018, Pierre Gasly is very likely to get one of the seats and it may be that Honda want to put a young Japanese driver in the other, but no name springs to mind.
A few rumors doing the rounds
Max Verstappen is believed to have doubled his wages in the new deal keeping him at Red Bull until 2020. It is thought that he is currently on around $15 million a year, but that is going to go up significantly now, with the suggestion being that he will make $30 million a year in 2019 and 2020.
Leaks around the 2021 engine rules, it seems they will keep the 1.6-litre V6 but with very significant changes to the hybrid and associated systems. Many areas of the hybrid systems will be standardized, in an effort to reduce the costs. Teams will be allowed to buy and sell certain of their technologies to each other, not just engines. They also want the grid to grow to 12 teams so 24 cars.
There is a big push towards putting in place a budget cap, which is expected to go before the F1 Strategy Group in the first week of November. It is propose a top limit of $150 million, reducing over time to $100 million, it is believed this will make smaller teams more profitable and help to bring in new manufactures and engine suppliers. Along with the budget cap it is thought that Liberty Media want all the teams get the same share of the revenues (socialism in F1
), allowing a small amount more for those who are more successful than others. It is also being talked about that Liberty want to keep more of the total revenue, changing the current split between FOM and the teams. This is not to give a bigger profit to the NASDAQ quoted company, but to allow FOM to invest more into the sport. Liberty Media are arguing that they want to take races to cities they want to go to and not be limited to just cities that want them. For example: if F1 wants to go a specific city and needs money to make that happen, this money could come from a new central fund created for that purpose, to help with upfront costs for the promoter. The goal, of course, would be to increase the revenues by building up the races, so in effect there would be a bigger pie so over time teams would not loose out as overall revenue will increase.
As mentioned above, Liberty Media keen to get switched over to direct-to-consumer coverage as quickly as possible, rather than using TV companies as middle men, clearly this would make them far more revenue than they current make selling the TV right, even at $10 a race Liberty media would make millions more selling direct to fans, it should be remembered that F1 is the biggest annual sporting event in the world, only the World Cup and the Olympics get higher viewing figures and they are only every 4 years. So the market is there for them to exploit.
It is also rumored that after the election in New York (in November I think), that if the current mayor wins F1 could be racing there very soon.
It seems that Kvyat has ran his last race for Toro Rosso, they intend to finish the season with Brendon Hartley and Pierre Gasly. According to Helmut Marko "Kvyat will not return again. We do not believe he can make the turnaround in the long term. Gasly and Hartley are finishing the season. Then we’ll see what happens”. The Red Bull driver feeder team will be switching to Honda power next season. Having put drivers such as Sebastian Vettel, Daniel Ricciardo and Max Verstappen into Red Bull, all of whom have gone on to win races, it is looking like they may have a deficit of young drivers to come in the next year or two. Hartley at 27 can hardly be considered a young driver. It will be interesting to see their driver line-up for 2018, Pierre Gasly is very likely to get one of the seats and it may be that Honda want to put a young Japanese driver in the other, but no name springs to mind.
A few rumors doing the rounds
Max Verstappen is believed to have doubled his wages in the new deal keeping him at Red Bull until 2020. It is thought that he is currently on around $15 million a year, but that is going to go up significantly now, with the suggestion being that he will make $30 million a year in 2019 and 2020.
Leaks around the 2021 engine rules, it seems they will keep the 1.6-litre V6 but with very significant changes to the hybrid and associated systems. Many areas of the hybrid systems will be standardized, in an effort to reduce the costs. Teams will be allowed to buy and sell certain of their technologies to each other, not just engines. They also want the grid to grow to 12 teams so 24 cars.
There is a big push towards putting in place a budget cap, which is expected to go before the F1 Strategy Group in the first week of November. It is propose a top limit of $150 million, reducing over time to $100 million, it is believed this will make smaller teams more profitable and help to bring in new manufactures and engine suppliers. Along with the budget cap it is thought that Liberty Media want all the teams get the same share of the revenues (socialism in F1
), allowing a small amount more for those who are more successful than others. It is also being talked about that Liberty want to keep more of the total revenue, changing the current split between FOM and the teams. This is not to give a bigger profit to the NASDAQ quoted company, but to allow FOM to invest more into the sport. Liberty Media are arguing that they want to take races to cities they want to go to and not be limited to just cities that want them. For example: if F1 wants to go a specific city and needs money to make that happen, this money could come from a new central fund created for that purpose, to help with upfront costs for the promoter. The goal, of course, would be to increase the revenues by building up the races, so in effect there would be a bigger pie so over time teams would not loose out as overall revenue will increase.As mentioned above, Liberty Media keen to get switched over to direct-to-consumer coverage as quickly as possible, rather than using TV companies as middle men, clearly this would make them far more revenue than they current make selling the TV right, even at $10 a race Liberty media would make millions more selling direct to fans, it should be remembered that F1 is the biggest annual sporting event in the world, only the World Cup and the Olympics get higher viewing figures and they are only every 4 years. So the market is there for them to exploit.
It is also rumored that after the election in New York (in November I think), that if the current mayor wins F1 could be racing there very soon.
If they went to direct to consumer only, would that mean that there would be standardised coverage, ie all the English speaking world would get the same thing? So we'd probably end up getting a bunch of Yanks presenting it, instead of a domestic team? I'm not sure I'd want that.
spitfire
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If by "cross the boundary between sport and show" Liberty means more of that gurning, over-modulated, self-adoring hanger-on who did the interminable intros at Austin, I'm going to need a more powerful TV remote.
Ideally one that delivers an electric shock to the individual speaking when I hit *mute*.
Of course, if Liberty really wants to amplify the franchise, they need an equivalent of Ted's Notebook introduced by some vapid celeb-watcher, who can bring highlights of who was guest of whom, what they were wearing, who they are fucking, what they are tweeting, and what they've posted on Instagram. Tied up into a neat, metastasised bundle and kept well away from the actual racing, it would mean they wouldn't have to interrupt the noisy, wheely things to show us Z-list celebs. I commend this to the house. Cheques made payable to Limejuice's Galaxy Of Fame Productions...
1%er
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I'd hope not, I'd expect Liberty Media to continue selling rights to TV companies around the world, albeit, at a far reduced cost than the current exclusive deals, as they wouldn't want to restrict their audience only to the Internet. Currently FOM only offer one feed for on-tract action, with many English speaking countries having their own commentators, experts and front person, so I see no reason for that to end. Also many countries take non-track feeds from other networks, for example Sky sell their non-track coverage to countries outside the UK and from next year NBC who have their own commentators etc will not take F1 in the USA and it will move to ESPN/ABC who will take the UK sky feed.
I think what will happen will be that Liberty Media have a feed and also buy back a feed from local TV stations, so for example in the UK you will be able to buy Liberty Medias feed or a TV feed in from Sky in English or other languages, it will allow them to offer a wider coverage. This kind of deal will mean that people in any country will be able to get a feed from Liberty in any of the languages currently transmitted, so Germans in the UK can get a German feed, English speakers in China will be able to get an English feed, while it sounds complected, over the Internet it would be very simple and only need Liberty Media to do deals with TV companies they sell rights to, to agree to buy back their TV coverage and pay according to the number of internet subscribers.
In other news
Mika Salo has been receiving death threats over the stewards decision at the US GP that saw Max Verstappen getting a 5 second penalty for leaving the track and gaining an advantage. Interestingly after the race Christian Horner said he didn't want to name the stewards he was pissed off with and that wasn't Mika Salo. He said when interviewed by Sky F1 that the same steward had a history with Max in other races, the steward he didn't want to name is Garry Connelly, who has also got loads of shit in the press and on social media. Death threats
Fuck me its only motor racing.As mentioned above F1 are again looking at 4-wheel drive, but all wheels will not be driven by the engine, apparently teams have been talking about having the front wheels driven by electric motors. Their are a number of stumbling blocks, not least the fact that F1 are looking at getting rid of the MGU-H so the amount of power generated could be reduced, so electric motors may not work (I read earlier this year that the power from the MGU-K could be doubled, so there seems to be some confusion there). Also it would be new technology and that could lead to an arms race between the teams and wouldn't help with the proposed cost cap. I don't think anything will happen about 4-wheel drive for a few years yet.
Lots of rumors around Daniel Ricciardo doing the rounds, with Red Bull having resigned Max Verstappen and talking about "building the team around him", what about Danny Ric? He is contracted to Red Bull until the end of next season (2018), but for 2019 there are 3 very good seats available. Bottas will be out of contract at Mercedes and Kimi will be out of contract at Ferrari and Danny could also stay with Red Bull. Word on the street is he has already agreed a deal with Mercedes for 2019 driving alongside Lewis. This story is likely to go on throughout 2018 until Danny himself makes an announcement
weltweit
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Limejuice
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Presumably someone close in age to Max?Apparently, Max once punched another driver in karting, and that driver is now in F1. Who do we think that is then?
The closest must be Gasly, Hartley, Giovinazzi, Stroll, Ocon, Sainz...
One of those?
On that theme, who is the hardest driver in F1?
I reckon Kimi. Kimi could take both the baboon and badger at the same time.
1%er
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First, Happy Birthday Bernie 87 today.
Hell hath no fury like a billionaire scorned
Bernie's been in the press again stirring things up, last week he told us Liberty Media don't want him at races anymore and this week he's telling us there has been a historical conspiracy of bias to help Ferrari win (Oh really I'd never have thought that) and speculating that Mercedes have helped Ferrari with their engine.
He has told the Italian Press; "F1 is Ferrari, and Ferrari is F1, helping Ferrari has always been the smartest thing to do. It was always done through the technical regulations. The teams are important to F1, but Ferrari is more than that. So many things have been done over the years that have helped Ferrari to win". Asked if Charlie Whiting was ever involved he replied "No, Charlie has always done what he has to do”, but went on to point the finger at former FIA President Max Mosley, claiming "Max has often helped Ferrari, and I too wanted them to win. There can be a season won by others, but even the other teams have an interest in challenging a competitive Ferrari, it's one thing to win against Sauber and quite another to win against a red car".
Asked if Ferrari had had any external help, Ecclestone told Italian newspaper La Repubblica: "In this case, no one can know except the one who did..., certainly at one point a hand with the engine was there". Pushed on who gave that help, Ecclestone said: "Mercedes and for good reason, certainly at one point they had help with this engine. It's the same for Mercedes as it is for the others, a world championship win against Ferrari is always worth more. If Mercedes decided to transfer technology to Maranello, I say it was a good move. What is certain is that this friendly situation between the two teams is the best thing for Mercedes. It means Red Bull did not have the most powerful engines and Ferrari was competitive enough to be a credible rival to beat”.
Hell hath no fury like a billionaire scorned
Bernie's been in the press again stirring things up, last week he told us Liberty Media don't want him at races anymore and this week he's telling us there has been a historical conspiracy of bias to help Ferrari win (Oh really I'd never have thought that) and speculating that Mercedes have helped Ferrari with their engine.
He has told the Italian Press; "F1 is Ferrari, and Ferrari is F1, helping Ferrari has always been the smartest thing to do. It was always done through the technical regulations. The teams are important to F1, but Ferrari is more than that. So many things have been done over the years that have helped Ferrari to win". Asked if Charlie Whiting was ever involved he replied "No, Charlie has always done what he has to do”, but went on to point the finger at former FIA President Max Mosley, claiming "Max has often helped Ferrari, and I too wanted them to win. There can be a season won by others, but even the other teams have an interest in challenging a competitive Ferrari, it's one thing to win against Sauber and quite another to win against a red car".
Asked if Ferrari had had any external help, Ecclestone told Italian newspaper La Repubblica: "In this case, no one can know except the one who did..., certainly at one point a hand with the engine was there". Pushed on who gave that help, Ecclestone said: "Mercedes and for good reason, certainly at one point they had help with this engine. It's the same for Mercedes as it is for the others, a world championship win against Ferrari is always worth more. If Mercedes decided to transfer technology to Maranello, I say it was a good move. What is certain is that this friendly situation between the two teams is the best thing for Mercedes. It means Red Bull did not have the most powerful engines and Ferrari was competitive enough to be a credible rival to beat”.
1%er
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I'm not 100% sure but I think it is Esteban OconApparently, Max once punched another driver in karting, and that driver is now in F1. Who do we think that is then?
Limejuice
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1%er
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1/2 a second
where did that come fromI'd expect Lewis to be 2/10 quicker than Red Bull, maybe the thin air is a problem, but I can't think why
Limejuice
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Very interesting explanation in Ted's piece of where the "missing" 4 seconds went, when Hammy came in for his pitstop in Austin.
Given the punishment Max got, would the stewards have penalised Vettel if he'd overtaken Hammy during the pitstop, due to an off-track advantage?
Given the punishment Max got, would the stewards have penalised Vettel if he'd overtaken Hammy during the pitstop, due to an off-track advantage?
1%er
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Starting grid after all penalties have been applied
Pos Driver Team
1 Vettel Ferrari
2 Verstappen Red Bull
3 Hamilton Mercedes
4 Bottas Mercedes
5 Raikkonen Ferrari
6 Ocon Force India
7 Ricciardo Red Bull
8 Hulkenberg Renault
9 Sainz Renault
10 Perez Force India
11 Massa Williams
12 Stroll Williams
13 Hartley Toro Rosso
14 Ericsson Sauber
15 Wehrlein Sauber
16 Magnussen Haas
17 Grosjean Haas
18 Alonso McLaren
19 Vandoorne McLaren
20 Gasly Toro Rosso
Alonso: 20 place grid penalty for additional power unit elements
Vandoorne: 35 place grid penalty for additional power unit elements
Gasly: 15 place grid penalty for additional power unit elements
There is a report that Ricciardo could take a tactical engine change penalty, he starts from 7th and could well finish there or better from the back of the grid and give him an almost new engine for the last two races.
Pos Driver Team
1 Vettel Ferrari
2 Verstappen Red Bull
3 Hamilton Mercedes
4 Bottas Mercedes
5 Raikkonen Ferrari
6 Ocon Force India
7 Ricciardo Red Bull
8 Hulkenberg Renault
9 Sainz Renault
10 Perez Force India
11 Massa Williams
12 Stroll Williams
13 Hartley Toro Rosso
14 Ericsson Sauber
15 Wehrlein Sauber
16 Magnussen Haas
17 Grosjean Haas
18 Alonso McLaren
19 Vandoorne McLaren
20 Gasly Toro Rosso
Alonso: 20 place grid penalty for additional power unit elements
Vandoorne: 35 place grid penalty for additional power unit elements
Gasly: 15 place grid penalty for additional power unit elements
There is a report that Ricciardo could take a tactical engine change penalty, he starts from 7th and could well finish there or better from the back of the grid and give him an almost new engine for the last two races.
