F1 2016
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1%er
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Lewis Hamilton more influential than David Cameron
According to Time magazine's list of 100 most influential people in the world Lewis is one of them and David Cameron didn't make it
France’s Francois Hollande and Germany’s Angela Merkel were there along with Adele.
Will the UK deport Vijay Mallya
This is the question being asked by the Enforcement Directorate to India's Ministry of External Affairs. It isn't a simple immigration issue as Mallya is a politician so will have to be dealt with through diplomatic channels. Last week a court issued a non-bailable arrest warrant for Vijay which has also opened the door to a "red-corner Notice" which is an Interpol arrest warrant. If an Interpol warrant is issued the UK government will have to act and as Mallya has had his diplomatic passport suspended he will be unable to claim diplomatic immunity.
It doesn't reflect well on Formula one that the two major shareholders in a team are in such difficulty, one is in prison and the other is on the run.
According to Time magazine's list of 100 most influential people in the world Lewis is one of them and David Cameron didn't make it
France’s Francois Hollande and Germany’s Angela Merkel were there along with Adele.Will the UK deport Vijay Mallya
This is the question being asked by the Enforcement Directorate to India's Ministry of External Affairs. It isn't a simple immigration issue as Mallya is a politician so will have to be dealt with through diplomatic channels. Last week a court issued a non-bailable arrest warrant for Vijay which has also opened the door to a "red-corner Notice" which is an Interpol arrest warrant. If an Interpol warrant is issued the UK government will have to act and as Mallya has had his diplomatic passport suspended he will be unable to claim diplomatic immunity.
It doesn't reflect well on Formula one that the two major shareholders in a team are in such difficulty, one is in prison and the other is on the run.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
25 races? Don't be silly.
1%er
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Today's the day, or is it?
Today Formula one bosses meet to decide the rule changes for 2017, they will be discussing Aero and power-unit regulations (also on the agenda will be Fuel specifications and an increase in consumption, driver head protection, new tyre regulations and tyre testing). The manufacturers Mercedes, Ferrari, Renault and Honda will be hopping for little change while the only team without an engine supplier deal, Red Bull, will be wanting a guarantee of supply clause to ensure they don't find themselves in the same position as last season. If the teams cannot agree on the 4 main areas up for discussion, cost, availability of supply, noise and performance convergence then it is likely that FOM and the FIA will move once again to find an independent power unit supplier.
Cost seems to have been sorted-out as the suppliers have agreed to reduce the cost of power-units for next season by around €1million and the cost for the last two seasons of the current concorde agreement should be around €12 million. Manufacturers have all said in various press releases that they will guarantee to supply any teams with power-units (although a press release isn't signing up to the rules, so we will have to wait and see). Noise isn't really a contentious point and several options are currently being explored. Performance convergence could be a stumbling block as the FIA and FOM want plus-or-minus 2% and I'm not sure teams like Mercedes or Ferrari will agree to that, while Red Bull says it must happen .
I don't think there is much controversy between the teams about the Aero regulations as they were approved between the teams last month, so they should pass without problems.
Alfa Romeo Sauber tie-up off the table
Despite his earlier comments it seems that Sergio Marchionne is ruling out any chance of Alfa Romeo buying Sauber, he is reported as saying "if Alfa Romeo does make a comeback, it will do so either as part of the Fiat Chrysler organization, or with the Scuderia itself. There are perhaps other alternatives for Alfa if they wanted to come back into the race.It is a very close cousin of Ferrari, and you should start looking at your family first before you start looking outside". I guess having seen the relative success of Haas the Ferrari boss thinks a similar deal with Alfa Romeo is the way forward and it would mean it is a totally independent team as Peter Sauber would be sure to want some control if he sells part of his team.
Things get worse for Vijay
His suspended passport has now been revoked, the Supreme Court has also said he must now declare all the family overseas asserts and the Ethics Committee will recommend his expulsion from the upper house of the Indian parliament where he was first elected in 2002. Having him deported from the UK will not be easy, first the home office will have to find him and serve him a notice explaining his passport has been revoked and then the prosecutor's office in the UK will examine the legal basis of the Indian government request to see if it has a firm basis within British law for them to proceed. If the prosecutor's office says there is a case to answer, Mallya will then have recourse to the UK court system to fight deportation, so it could take years and years. Just another example of those with money using the law to escape justice.
Today Formula one bosses meet to decide the rule changes for 2017, they will be discussing Aero and power-unit regulations (also on the agenda will be Fuel specifications and an increase in consumption, driver head protection, new tyre regulations and tyre testing). The manufacturers Mercedes, Ferrari, Renault and Honda will be hopping for little change while the only team without an engine supplier deal, Red Bull, will be wanting a guarantee of supply clause to ensure they don't find themselves in the same position as last season. If the teams cannot agree on the 4 main areas up for discussion, cost, availability of supply, noise and performance convergence then it is likely that FOM and the FIA will move once again to find an independent power unit supplier.
Cost seems to have been sorted-out as the suppliers have agreed to reduce the cost of power-units for next season by around €1million and the cost for the last two seasons of the current concorde agreement should be around €12 million. Manufacturers have all said in various press releases that they will guarantee to supply any teams with power-units (although a press release isn't signing up to the rules, so we will have to wait and see). Noise isn't really a contentious point and several options are currently being explored. Performance convergence could be a stumbling block as the FIA and FOM want plus-or-minus 2% and I'm not sure teams like Mercedes or Ferrari will agree to that, while Red Bull says it must happen .
I don't think there is much controversy between the teams about the Aero regulations as they were approved between the teams last month, so they should pass without problems.
Alfa Romeo Sauber tie-up off the table
Despite his earlier comments it seems that Sergio Marchionne is ruling out any chance of Alfa Romeo buying Sauber, he is reported as saying "if Alfa Romeo does make a comeback, it will do so either as part of the Fiat Chrysler organization, or with the Scuderia itself. There are perhaps other alternatives for Alfa if they wanted to come back into the race.It is a very close cousin of Ferrari, and you should start looking at your family first before you start looking outside". I guess having seen the relative success of Haas the Ferrari boss thinks a similar deal with Alfa Romeo is the way forward and it would mean it is a totally independent team as Peter Sauber would be sure to want some control if he sells part of his team.
Things get worse for Vijay
His suspended passport has now been revoked, the Supreme Court has also said he must now declare all the family overseas asserts and the Ethics Committee will recommend his expulsion from the upper house of the Indian parliament where he was first elected in 2002. Having him deported from the UK will not be easy, first the home office will have to find him and serve him a notice explaining his passport has been revoked and then the prosecutor's office in the UK will examine the legal basis of the Indian government request to see if it has a firm basis within British law for them to proceed. If the prosecutor's office says there is a case to answer, Mallya will then have recourse to the UK court system to fight deportation, so it could take years and years. Just another example of those with money using the law to escape justice.
1%er
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Its just Bernie setting a position for the new concorde agreement due in a couple of years, ask for 25 and try for 22.
1%er
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No Agreement on rule changes (power-units)
As seems to be the case with everything nowadays in F1 no agreement was reached at yesterdays meeting for the power-unit rules for 2017. The meetings were trying to solve problems of convergence of performance, availability of engines, the costs of the engines and the noise. The Strategy Group seems to have come up with some kind of agreement but the F1 Commission failed to get the majority required with the sticking point being the question of cost and guarantees that every team would get an engine.
The parties involved have until the weekend to find an agreement or else things will remain unchanged in 2017. Changes to the chassis regulations for next year have proved to be easier to achieve and these should go ahead, although it is unclear whether the team bosses have had access to any series research and development data, to see if the decisions are a good idea or not. This is all fairly typical of F1 in its current state.
John Booth joins Toro Rosso
Booth, who along with sporting director Graeme Lowdon left Manor at the end of last season, will take up his position with immediate effect, joining the team for this weekend’s race in Russia. Toro Rosso team principal Franz Tost said that the move was made with the goal of helping the Italian squad ‘raise its game’. "I have known John for many years and I am delighted to welcome him to the team,” he said. "Formula One is becoming ever more complex, with recent changes on the tyre front, car set-up, radio communications and so forth. Therefore, having a competitive car and talented drivers, both of which we have, on its own is not enough. With his vast experience I am sure John will help the team raise its game and become a more effective force over a race weeken".
Booth, who will dovetail his role with overseeing a separate Manor assault in the FIA World Endurance Championship, added "It is a great honour to join such a well-established and competitive team as Scuderia Toro Rosso. It is a team that has achieved so much in a relatively short space of time. I am looking forward to getting started and working with Franz and the team this weekend in Sochi."
Another racing film
Senna vs Brundle, the film is set around the famous 1983 British F3 season in which the pair competed for the title. Mario Muth has put in the effort to bring it to life. Muth is a photographer and film maker, who has done profile videos of a number of F1 figures. The idea came out of a conversation with Asif Kapadia, one third of the award-winning team behind the Senna movie, along with Manish Pandey and James Gay-Rees. Scenes of Senna’s pre-F1 career didn’t make the final cut of that film for various editorial reasons and Muth realised that there was a good story to tell about this special season, which didn’t have millions of witnesses. The film was released yesterday (26 April) and will be available to download for a small fee at http://vimeo.com/
As seems to be the case with everything nowadays in F1 no agreement was reached at yesterdays meeting for the power-unit rules for 2017. The meetings were trying to solve problems of convergence of performance, availability of engines, the costs of the engines and the noise. The Strategy Group seems to have come up with some kind of agreement but the F1 Commission failed to get the majority required with the sticking point being the question of cost and guarantees that every team would get an engine.
The parties involved have until the weekend to find an agreement or else things will remain unchanged in 2017. Changes to the chassis regulations for next year have proved to be easier to achieve and these should go ahead, although it is unclear whether the team bosses have had access to any series research and development data, to see if the decisions are a good idea or not. This is all fairly typical of F1 in its current state.
John Booth joins Toro Rosso
Booth, who along with sporting director Graeme Lowdon left Manor at the end of last season, will take up his position with immediate effect, joining the team for this weekend’s race in Russia. Toro Rosso team principal Franz Tost said that the move was made with the goal of helping the Italian squad ‘raise its game’. "I have known John for many years and I am delighted to welcome him to the team,” he said. "Formula One is becoming ever more complex, with recent changes on the tyre front, car set-up, radio communications and so forth. Therefore, having a competitive car and talented drivers, both of which we have, on its own is not enough. With his vast experience I am sure John will help the team raise its game and become a more effective force over a race weeken".
Booth, who will dovetail his role with overseeing a separate Manor assault in the FIA World Endurance Championship, added "It is a great honour to join such a well-established and competitive team as Scuderia Toro Rosso. It is a team that has achieved so much in a relatively short space of time. I am looking forward to getting started and working with Franz and the team this weekend in Sochi."
Another racing film
Senna vs Brundle, the film is set around the famous 1983 British F3 season in which the pair competed for the title. Mario Muth has put in the effort to bring it to life. Muth is a photographer and film maker, who has done profile videos of a number of F1 figures. The idea came out of a conversation with Asif Kapadia, one third of the award-winning team behind the Senna movie, along with Manish Pandey and James Gay-Rees. Scenes of Senna’s pre-F1 career didn’t make the final cut of that film for various editorial reasons and Muth realised that there was a good story to tell about this special season, which didn’t have millions of witnesses. The film was released yesterday (26 April) and will be available to download for a small fee at http://vimeo.com/
Limejuice
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Ricciardo did an install lap sporting a new windshield / canopy. No good shots available yet.
It looked okay. I'm not sure about how much protection it offers for wheels falling from the sky. Ricciardo says the viability seemed fine, but that was one lap with no crap sticking onto it.
Ted K said it looked hard to strap the driver in.
*Visibility*
Not viability. I can't even blame auto-correct.
It looked okay. I'm not sure about how much protection it offers for wheels falling from the sky. Ricciardo says the viability seemed fine, but that was one lap with no crap sticking onto it.
Ted K said it looked hard to strap the driver in.
*Visibility*
Not viability. I can't even blame auto-correct.
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Limejuice
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It's not the finished article.
Christian H was interviewed and said everyone's talking about safety devices, but someone has to pay for it and someone has to develop it. This was a first experiment to show what it might look like, and to identify the restrictions and driver impressions.
Ricciardo did one lap, had it taken off and did the rest of his programme.
Oh, it's being called an "aeroscreen".
Sounds like an Irish actor's kid: Heir O'Screen...
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Christian H was interviewed and said everyone's talking about safety devices, but someone has to pay for it and someone has to develop it. This was a first experiment to show what it might look like, and to identify the restrictions and driver impressions.
Ricciardo did one lap, had it taken off and did the rest of his programme.
Oh, it's being called an "aeroscreen".
Sounds like an Irish actor's kid: Heir O'Screen...
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spitfire
Walty McWaltface
I prefer it to the other one. If they refine it a bit it could look quite old school.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
It's all a balancing act though.
I can't see it working without some sort of wiper...
Limejuice
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Someone on TV mentioned tear-off strips, as for helmet visors.
Presumably during pit stops.
You definitely wouldn't want one of those blowing around the track.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
But that wouldn't work - what if a car in front suddenly had an engine go bang, dumping oil? The driver behind would instantly be blind. How would they even get back to the pits?
And what about when it's raining?
Limejuice
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The oil thing is always going to be a problem. Would a wiper set-up would help? Do the cockpit cars have a big screen-wash bottle and super-fast wiper setting?
Rain? At high speed it's not a problem - it'll streak off. Maybe they can treat the visor with special, majick, non-stik kemmerkills to make the water not adhere or clump into drops. Or use a rotating screen like trawlers. Or deploy an umbrella.
But I'm not personally on commission from Red Bull...
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
I dunno, any of the endurance racing fans on here have any idea how they deal with it?
Some sort of hydrophobic coating could work I guess.
Limejuice
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On Sky, they just said that rain is not a problem on the outside - the shape should mean it's wind-blasted off.
The problem would be at slow speed with droplets coming off the tyres being thrown over the top of the visor into the cockpit, possibly adhering to the inside of the visor.
The problem would be at slow speed with droplets coming off the tyres being thrown over the top of the visor into the cockpit, possibly adhering to the inside of the visor.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Limejuice
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Vettel gets a five-place grid penalty in Russia for using a new gearbox.
It seems the collision with Kimi in China (that was all Kvyat's fault) damaged the old one.
Not enough to keep Vettel off the podium, mind.
Russian Grand Prix: Sebastian Vettel handed five-place grid penalty
It seems the collision with Kimi in China (that was all Kvyat's fault) damaged the old one.
Not enough to keep Vettel off the podium, mind.
Russian Grand Prix: Sebastian Vettel handed five-place grid penalty
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1%er
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2017 power-unit rules sorted it seems
The FIA statement read: “The global agreement on power units covers four key areas relating to the cost and supply price, obligation to supply, performance convergence and the sound of the power units.
“As part of the power unit agreement, adherence to the measures outlined below will see the FIA commit to supporting power unit regulations stability and the maintaining of the current Formula One governance structure for the 2017-2020 period.
The four key areas:
Cost
Agreement has been reached on a significant reduction in the price of power unit supply to customer teams and a reduction in cost to manufacturers over the coming years.
In 2017 the power unit price for customer teams will be reduced by €1m per season compared to 2016.
From 2018, the annual supply price will be reduced by a further €3m.
Cost reduction on power units will be driven by changes to the Sporting and Technical regulations in 2017 and 2018, with a progressive reduction of the number of power unit elements per driver per season.
Supply
Supply of power units to customer teams will be ensured, as the homologation procedure will include an “obligation to supply” that will be activated in the event of a team facing an absence of supply.
Performance Convergence
The new agreement includes a package of measures aimed at achieving performance convergence.
The token system is to be removed from 2017
Additionally, constraints on power unit part weights, dimensions and materials, and on boost pressure will be introduced in 2017 and in 2018.
Sound
Manufacturers are currently conducting a promising research programme into further improving the sound of the current power units, with the aim of implementation by 2018 at the latest.
The FIA statement read: “The global agreement on power units covers four key areas relating to the cost and supply price, obligation to supply, performance convergence and the sound of the power units.
“As part of the power unit agreement, adherence to the measures outlined below will see the FIA commit to supporting power unit regulations stability and the maintaining of the current Formula One governance structure for the 2017-2020 period.
The four key areas:
Cost
Agreement has been reached on a significant reduction in the price of power unit supply to customer teams and a reduction in cost to manufacturers over the coming years.
In 2017 the power unit price for customer teams will be reduced by €1m per season compared to 2016.
From 2018, the annual supply price will be reduced by a further €3m.
Cost reduction on power units will be driven by changes to the Sporting and Technical regulations in 2017 and 2018, with a progressive reduction of the number of power unit elements per driver per season.
Supply
Supply of power units to customer teams will be ensured, as the homologation procedure will include an “obligation to supply” that will be activated in the event of a team facing an absence of supply.
Performance Convergence
The new agreement includes a package of measures aimed at achieving performance convergence.
The token system is to be removed from 2017
Additionally, constraints on power unit part weights, dimensions and materials, and on boost pressure will be introduced in 2017 and in 2018.
Sound
Manufacturers are currently conducting a promising research programme into further improving the sound of the current power units, with the aim of implementation by 2018 at the latest.
