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Oh well, that's that then. Off to the bikes it is then, assuming they're still on the BBC.
There are other English speaking countries that show F1 live and are streamed over the internet, it isn't just sky, for example ten sport in OZ, NBC in the USA, if you speak another language you may find other countries as well. There are loads of options in Spanish.
 
raaaa I well loved the race :cool:

alonsos incident was a bit hairy init, I didn't realise the grey thing I was seeing was a car in the first instance of wtf did he (the grid spinner) hit??? I thought it was a smashed up tyre wall idk how he survived in one piece

some nice bits of overtaking otherwise, was really nice to see mark webber again on the podiums too :cool:

ohhhh my days and niki lauda was there as well I love him

the quali thing went over my head, but it was explained to me and it sounded so poor, good it's changed back

Bahrain!!! :cool:

I havent figured out if I'm gonna go to the british GP or not, company I work for gets sponsor tickets... so maybe,
 
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There are other English speaking countries that show F1 live and are streamed over the internet, it isn't just sky, for example ten sport in OZ, NBC in the USA, if you speak another language you may find other countries as well. There are loads of options in Spanish.
Can't be bothered. They've taken the sport I've followed for over 30 years away so fuck them.
 
Bernie replies to the the GPDA
He agrees that the decision-making process is obsolete and ill-structured, he asks them to think and come back to him with some answers and closes by correcting their grammar, typical Bernie. What he fails to mention is that it was he who came up with the current decision-making process, he set up the strategy group in an effort to dilute the power of the manufacturers by spreading the decision making among a wider group, This was a rear tactical error by him as he believed FOM and the FIA would vote together at all times but this turned out not to be the case.

He is a copy of his reply to the drivers;
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Elimination qualifying format may stay in revised form
The FIA, FOM and team bosses are now thinking again about completely scrapping the elimination qualifying format and just making a change to Q3. After the debacle of the last race it seemed that everyone just wanted to return to the old format, but now it seems that may not be the case. It now appears that that we may see the new format for Q1 and Q2 with Q3 being the old format. A decision is expected later today.

Bernie offer the chance to buy back F1
In an interview with Gulf news Bernie claims that CVC offered to sell him back F1, apparently in a "top-secret get-together" he was made the offer but the price was to high, he went on to talk about Flavio Briatore and reading between the lines I think he may have told CVC that Briatore was the man who should succeed him. That would go down well with the FIA :)
 
Will pay-to-view kill F1
Its an interesting question and I don't really know the answer. If we look at other sports that have gone down the route, then the answer appears to be no, but a large amount of the value of F1 to the commercial rights holders is the viewing figures, they are its biggest asset. It is those figures that set the price to TV companies who pay such a high price as they believe they can sell more advertising and that revenue will more than cover the cost of buying the rights and they make a profit. The big question is, are enough people willing to pay to watch F1. Last year around 1 million viewers (peaking at 1.2 million) watched the US grand Prix on Sky (the championship decider), as a comparison the Hungarian GP on the BBC was watched by 3.9 million (peaking at 5 million), but back in 2008 when Lewis won his first championship at the Brazilian race, ITV was watched by 9 million (peaking at just over 12 million). A friend in the UK I spoke to this morning has said it will cost around 27UK pounds to watch each race as the price is going up for sky F1.

Clearly in the short term selling the rights to pay-to-view companies is beneficial for the rights holders as they see a very large sum of money arriving on their balance-sheet, pushing up the value of their company and the price of its shares. It is clear that CVC want to selloff its stake in F1 and this move will make the asset more valuable, but only in the short term if viewing figures drop like a stone. Clearly sky believe their viewer figures are sufficient to drive up their revenues, but pay-to-view figures are tiny in relation to free-to-air figures. Around 60% of viewers for F1 are still European based, France and Spain have switched to Pay-to-view and there figures have fallen. Sky have been able to cut there cost by pooling facilities with Sky Italia and Sky Germany (Germany also have a free to air option), so they share the cost of cameramen and editing resources.

Shutting out the fans by kidnapping the sport and hiding it behind a paywall could kill the sport for a short-term financial return for the rights holders. So the question is, where is the FIA in all this, Jean todt is off swanning around the world trying to make a name for himself as the UN Ambassador for road safety and what about the teams, surely they must have serious concerns about what will happen to the sport and money, if the viewers disappear?

I guess only time will tell, but one online poll I have seen doesn't look good for the future of F1. When asked "will you pay to watch F1 in the future" the results are 87.7% no and 12.3% yes.
 
The drivers complaints about pay tv and other things come many years too late. A generation has already grown up without F1 events being a routine part of their viewing habits. It would have happened to an extent anyway due to generally fragmenting mass media audiences, but the other problems with the sport have compounded the problem and left me with hardly anybody I know in real life to talk F1 with.
 
A friend in the UK I spoke to this morning has said it will cost around 27UK pounds to watch each race as the price is going up for sky F1.

That price is somewhat misleading as it doesn't include all the other shit you get if you give money to Murdoch.

I don't know how general Sky price rises might affect it, but you can currently get a sky sports day pass from now tv for £6.99 or a week pass for £10.99. For someone in the UK that doesn't mind giving Murdoch some money but has no interest in anything else on the sports channels, thats probably the cheapest option, although you'll arguably get better overall value from proper monthly tv bundles.
 
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I hate Bernie. His cynicism here may be accurate, but I don't think its a useful part of the future of the 'sport', and many of the shit ideas in recent years have been his.
 
I mean really, almost 15 years ago I could watch F1 with friends and I used to make silly suggestions when the races were dull, such as putting sprinklers on the tracks. Fast forward some years and none of those friends ever watched anymore, and Bernie came out with the sprinkler idea. Again I assume he had his tonue in cheek when he said it, but it doesn't help.
 
That price is somewhat misleading as it doesn't include all the other shit you get if you give money to Murdoch.

I don't know how general Sky price rises might affect it, but you can currently get a sky sports day pass from now tv for £6.99 or a week pass for £10.99. For someone in the UK that doesn't mind giving Murdoch some money but has no interest in anything else on the sports channels, thats probably the cheapest option, although you'll arguably get better overall value from proper monthly tv bundles.
£10.99 for a whole race weekend doesn't sound too bad actually.
 
The last sentence, fucking hell Bernie's such a cunt - being picky about grammar :D He's patting them on the head saying "there there" while cackling in an evil manner
 
The last sentence, fucking hell Bernie's such a cunt - being picky about grammar :D He's patting them on the head saying "there there" while cackling in an evil manner

I wasn't sure if it was purely a dig at their grammar or whether he was being cynical about best intentions and how self-centred those intentions may really be.
 
That price is somewhat misleading as it doesn't include all the other shit you get if you give money to Murdoch.

I don't know how general Sky price rises might affect it, but you can currently get a sky sports day pass from now tv for £6.99 or a week pass for £10.99. For someone in the UK that doesn't mind giving Murdoch some money but has no interest in anything else on the sports channels, thats probably the cheapest option, although you'll arguably get better overall value from proper monthly tv bundles.
Do you get Sky F1 in that package? (maybe it is on Sky sports 1 as well, I'm sure I've heard them saying stuff like, "if you want to continue watching you need to switch to Sky F1".

I don't know why anyone pays for Sky I get it on my big screen smart TV for nothing :)
 
Qualifying not changing for Bahrain
As mentioned above, the teams met yesterday and decided they wanted to go back to the 2015 style of qualifying, the FIA said no and proposed that Q1 and Q2 remain in the new elimination style format while Q3 goes back to the old format. They also said that returning to the 2015 format was not an option at this stage. The teams could not all agree to the FIA recommendation and as unanimity is needed to change the rules they will be kept as they were in Australia.

So why would they do that when the FIA said it was "embarrassing", the boss of FOM Bernie Ecclestone said it was "pretty crap" and the team bosses said "we can make it work". I'm at a loss for words......................................

Skys Billion pound F1 deal
NO! That isn't a typo, for the new 6 years deal to have formula 1 on Sky they have paid around 1 billion UK pounds. Formula 1 is a business, its business happens to be a sport but first and foremost it is a business. F1 Management and CVC have taken a purely business decision to prioritize income from broadcasters over mass audience numbers. It remains to be seen if in the long run that is a good decision or not. Since 2012 when Sky brought the rights to F1 the audience figures have been dropping, despite the success of Lewis Hamilton and many races still being shown on free-to-air channels, the viewing figures have been falling by just over 5% year on year in the UK and around 6% worldwide. When Bernie was asked about the drop in viewers he attributes the decline to the fact that F1 has moved towards Pay-TV in several markets over the last three seasons, so he is fully aware of the consequences.


While the deal is all about the money, one should not forget what has happened in recent history with the free-to-air deals in the UK over recent years. In 1997 ITV won the rights to screen F1 free-to-air, but decided to pull out of their contract early in 2008, the rights were then taken up by the BBC in 2009 who again decided to leave the deal in 2015 and now it is Channel 4 who have picked up the pieces, this was not good for FOM, the two biggest free-to-air TV companies in the country were unable to for-fill their side of the deal and I believe this is also part of the reason FOM decided to go pay-to-view. The BBC were paying £15m a year for 10 races, the Channel 4 deal is worth £24m a year, while Sky has been paying £45m a year for its rights, during this time of shared rights. So FOM income from the UK at the moment is around £69 million a year. Why have Sky paid so much for the rights now, well that is because BT sport and Sky have been in a bidding war which has pushed the price up by around 150%, could Delta Topco turn down such a deal?

People in favor of the deal are saying, look at the Premier League, it has gone from strength to strength while being on pay-to-view, but I think that it is a very big mistake to compare F1 to the Premier League. Formula 1 is not football (as Murray Walker once famously point out ;) ) it should be compared with Tennis or Golf, as they and F1 are niche sports unlike football that has a mass following. If I am correct above and it is more like Golf, one only has to look at the viewing figures for something like the Ryder Cup, when that went pay-to-view the figures fell like a stone and dropped by around 90% (again time will tell).

There is a small window of hope and that is that Sky will see viewing figures take a massive dive and decide to license some races back to free-to-view TV in the hope it increases the popularity of the sport and gain them more viewers willing to pay for the other races behind their paywall. From reading much about this over the last few days it seems that many lifelong F1 fans are saying they will not pay to watch the sport in the future, so I think this may be the death nail of F1 in many European countries, I hope not.

My personal view is that CVC want to sell the sport and having added 1 billion pounds to their balance sheet they have increased the value of Delta Topco (the parent company of the Formula One Group) massively. It also must not be forgotten that they have also sold the rights to pay-to-view in France and Spain and are likely to do the same in other regions, so the value of the company today is probably at its most valuable. But I believe this is short sighted as they don't know how many viewers they will loose because they are not willing to pay the price or don't want anything to do with Murdoch, they are highly unlikely to attract new younger viewers as the show will be behind a paywall and the teams will have a much stronger hand when negotiating the new Concorde agreement in 2020 as they will be aware that FOM has at least one billion pound contract to keep the sport on TV well beyond that date. The value of Formula 1 for commercial TV is its massive viewing figures, so what will its value be if the viewing figures fall by tens of millions over the next 6 to 10 years?
 
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Qualifying not changing for Bahrain
As mentioned above, the teams met yesterday and decided they wanted to go back to the 2015 style of qualifying, the FIA said no and proposed that Q1 and Q2 remain in the new elimination style format while Q3 goes back to the old format. They also said that returning to the 2015 format was not an option at this stage. The teams could not all agree to the FIA recommendation and as unanimity is needed to change the rules they will be kept as they were in Australia.

So why would they do that when the FIA said it was "embarrassing", the boss of FOM Bernie Ecclestone said it was "pretty crap" and the team bosses said "we can make it work". I'm at a loss for words......................................

What?? FFS! :mad::facepalm:
 
I have Sky F1 HD. It's a great channel.

Good coverage. Good punditry.

I was worried that they wouldn't be as good as the BBC when they had it and in some respects they aren't. You get less of the little insights into driver's personalities as they take them go-karting etc. Those little Top Gear'ish segments.

However, there is a lot more coverage both before and after the event. Driver interviews that take place long after the Beeb would have packed up and cleared off. I'm liking that side of things.
 
I have watched F1 for many years, but I have never paid and have no plans to pay to view.
I'm willing to bet that a lot of these people who say there aren't going to pay, when it comes down it, will in the end. I mean lots of people shell out hundreds of pounds to attend a grand prix.

I have Sky F1 HD. It's a great channel.

Good coverage. Good punditry.

I was worried that they wouldn't be as good as the BBC when they had it and in some respects they aren't. You get less of the little insights into driver's personalities as they take them go-karting etc. Those little Top Gear'ish segments.

However, there is a lot more coverage both before and after the event. Driver interviews that take place long after the Beeb would have packed up and cleared off. I'm liking that side of things.

The BBC had the Forum though on the Red Button, which was basically the same as what Sky do now, except that theirs is part of the main programme.
 
I'm willing to bet that a lot of these people who say there aren't going to pay, when it comes down it, will in the end. I mean lots of people shell out hundreds of pounds to attend a grand prix. ..

I have never paid a penny to attend a GP and doubt I would, I have paid many times to attend the Le Mans 24hr in person, paying petrol, ferry charge, entrance fee and many sundries but as the racing lasts for 24 hours there is real value for money from such an event.

I wouldn't pay to attend a 2 hour GP nor will I pay to watch it on TV.

The nearest I got to paying to watch anything was one of Mike Tyson's fights but in the end I restrained myself and in any event the fight was over in minutes so would not have been good value :)

I don't know how many will stump up to watch F1 but I bet the numbers of viewers will be a lot less than currently watch it on terrestrial tv. Don't know what that does for the financial equations.
 
You were paying to watch on the BBC.
The BBC is not free TV.

ITV, channel 4 and channel 5 are free.

BBC costs the licence fee.

Pay per view is different to subscription TV by the way.

I stopped watching boxing when it became pay per view.
 
You were paying to watch on the BBC.
The BBC is not free TV.

ITV, channel 4 and channel 5 are free.

BBC costs the licence fee.

Pay per view is different to subscription TV by the way.

I stopped watching boxing when it became pay per view.
You have to buy a TV Licence to watch BBC, ITV & Ch4 & 5 .. and probably for most people Sky also...

It bemuses me just how much some people are paying for their TV entertainment.
Free country though, if they want to pay that is their business.
 
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