Ex-Italian President: Intel Agencies Know 9/11 An Inside Job

[DrRingDing]

I'm not bitter.I'm just laughing at you and your petty self.

Do we need a little chat?

C'mon give your uncle RingDing a hug.

 

[tarannau]

Uncle? You're more like the daft kid who's confined to the childrens' table at Xmas

Yes Ring Ding, very good. Try and pipe down <pats on head>

 

[DrRingDing]

Uncle? You're more like the daft kid who's confined to the childrens' table at Xmas

Yes Ring Ding, very good. Try and pipe down <pats on head>

Well if love won't heal your hurts, maybe a furious angry wank will do the trick.

 

[tarannau]

Didn't you try that weak joke earlier in the thread my little repetitive dullard? At least we know that wanking was foremost on your mind during your enforced Urban sabbatical.

C'mon, surely you can do better than that. It's at least three posts since you mentioned 'confirmiton' for a start...

 

[Jonti]

So conspiracy theories are based on cold hard facts then, not conjecture, assumptions and, um... theory? Interesting.

Whatever and whoever was involved with the crime, there was certainly a conspiracy by some people to do the deed. That's obvious.

It's also obvious that to then bandy about the term "conspiracy theory" as a term of opprobrium can only serve to obstruct and prevent rational discussion of the crime.

Seems weird to me, that some folks keep trying to chill and derail the discussion with that kind of transparent manipulation.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Yet, when it comes to the nonsensical official story about arab hijackers who just happened to have been trained at US air force bases...

Now why would people wanting to learn how to fly Boeing multi-engine passenger jets go to any US airforce base, given how few Boeings USAAF use except as refueling tanks?
I thought that the "official story" was that they learned at civvy airfileds and on simulators?

...couldn't fly properly and liked strip clubs subverting a trillion dollar defence system...

You need to choose your words to more carefully. To claim that the "trillion dollar defence system" was "subverted" implies that it was taken over, rather than having only been as viable as the weakest link in it's operational chain (a weakness of any system dependent on human input).

...we don't require evidence that would stand up in a court of law do we? Because it isn't there.

Occam's razor?

Do you know that the FBI has admitted that it has no hard evidence against Osama Bin Laden for 9/11?

You guys can talk anyway... whether we can have a meaningful discussion is another matter

Depends on your definition of "meaningful", I would have thought.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Whatever and whoever was involved with the crime, there was certainly a conspiracy by some people to do the deed. That's obvious.

It's also obvious that to then bandy about the term "conspiracy theory" as a term of opprobrium can only serve to obstruct and prevent rational discussion of the crime.

Seems weird to me, that some folks keep trying to chill and derail the discussion with that kind of transparent manipulation.

The problem lies in differing definitions of "conspiracy theory", surely?
It's obvious that some people use the phrase as a shorthand for "way-out loonspud hypotheses", and just as obvious that others use the phrase as shorthand for "theories about possible conspiracies".

A further problem tends to lie in the sad fact that both parties appear to have difficulty in taking a properly sceptical approach.

 

[editor]

As an aside, I spent the last 2 weeks in NYC, and to a Londoner's eyes their anti-terrorist security is just about non-existent.

They don't appear to have learnt the lessons of 9/11 and it really wouldn't take a genius to work out ways to create a terrorist outrage there, sadly.

 

[Augie March]

Whatever and whoever was involved with the crime, there was certainly a conspiracy by some people to do the deed. That's obvious.

It's also obvious that to then bandy about the term "conspiracy theory" as a term of opprobrium can only serve to obstruct and prevent rational discussion of the crime.

Seems weird to me, that some folks keep trying to chill and derail the discussion with that kind of transparent manipulation.

It's not really manipulation is it? Somebody is proposing a theory about a potential conspiracy, ergo a conspiracy theory. If people can't prove that it is more than just a theory, then that's how it'll remain. Conjecture and assumption are the basis of such theories, it's on the head of the theorist to provide proof that these are more than just fantasy. If they fail to do so they'll remain conspiracy theorists in my eye and I'll continue to use that term.

Believe it or not, I have an open mind on such topics but only if they're constructed in an intelligent, informed way and have some kind of basis in reality. I've yet to see this in any 9/11 conspiracy debate and I've certainly not seen it on this thread here.

As for having a rational discussion of the crime, it'll be nigh on impossible to happen. The near like fanatical belief that many theorists have that they're right on such issues renders any argument an exercise, not unlike, repeatedly bashing your head against a brick wall. I think has been demonstrated on threads such as this before. It's a total waste of time, so I'm out of this one.

*un-suscribes from thread

 

[Cyril Sneer]

As an aside, I spent the last 2 weeks in NYC, and to a Londoner's eyes their anti-terrorist security is just about non-existent.

They don't appear to have learnt the lessons of 9/11 and it really wouldn't take a genius to work out ways to create a terrorist outrage there, sadly.

What aren't they doing that you think they are missing?

 

[Jazzz]

Now why would people wanting to learn how to fly Boeing multi-engine passenger jets go to any US airforce base, given how few Boeings USAAF use except as refueling tanks?
I thought that the "official story" was that they learned at civvy airfileds and on simulators?

Good question

But this report didn't go away for one week. NEWSWEEK found out four days later on September 15th, that "five of the alleged hijackers of the planes... received training at secure U.S. military installations" in Florida, Texas and Alabama. http://www.msnbc.com/news/629529.asp Three of the alleged hijackers listed their address on drivers licenses and car registrations as the Naval Air Station in Pensacola, Fla.--known as the "Cradle of U.S. Navy Aviation," according to a high-ranking U.S. Navy source. "Another of the alleged hijackers may have been trained in strategy and tactics at the Air War College in Montgomery, Ala., said another high-ranking Pentagon official" in the same article. The fifth man may have received language instruction at Lackland Air Force Base in San Antonio, Texas..." As Newsweek revealed, Military records showed that Alghamdi,Saeed, Ahmad Alnami and Ahmed Alghamdi used as their address 10 Radford Boulevard, a base roadway on which residences for foreign-military flight trainees are located. Then again, 3 days later, in another article of pressconects on September 17th, it was found out, that Alghamdi,Saeed was the man, who attended "California's Defense Language Institute in Presidio of Monterey, California." http://www.pressconnects.com/archive/attack/stories/091701N1.html

source


Occam's razor?

hint: patsies

 

[Bob_the_lost]

Link dead. Great source.

 

[8den]

Good question


source


Occam's razor?

hint: patsies

"What we have here is a situation of people with identical names", said Harry White, public affairs officer at the base. He said the school has had more than 1,600 people with the first name Saeed, spelled various ways, and more than 200 with the surname Alghamdi.

White maintains, however, that none of the Saeed Alghamdi students was involved with terrorist activity. "We have found no direct connection between any of the foreign students trained at NAS Pensacola and any of the terrorist suspects,? he said.
http://alternate-press.skynetblogs.be/archive-week/2003-24

We reached a major in the Air Force’s Public Affairs Office who was familiar with the question, she said, because she had read the initial Air Force denial to the media.
“Biographically, they’re not the same people,” she explained to us patiently. “Some of the ages are 20 years off.”

“Some” of the ages? We told her we were only interested in Atta. Was she saying that the age of the Mohamed Atta who attended the Air Force’s International Officer’s School at Maxwell Air Force Base was different from the terrorist Atta’s age as reported?

Um, er, no, the major admitted. Still, she persisted. “Mohamed is a very common name.”
We asked if the registrar of the International Officer’s School might provide us with the name and address of this second Mohamed Atta, so that we might call him and confirm that there were really two Mohamed Atta’s of about the same age pursuing flight training in the U.S. at about the same time.

“I don’t think you’re going to get that information,” the major replied.
http://www.onlinejournal.com/archive/10-30-01_Hopsicker-printable.pdf

All from here

And all links work. What you have here Jazzz is the fucking shocking discovery that Mohammed is a common Muslim name. Fuck me.

Do you have anything new or just the same tired worn out, dismissed bullshit you throw out time and time again.

 

[Grandma Death]

But you're right, it is cross threading. Anyone who wishes to see Jazzz's thrashing please head here: http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=187912&page=24

Took a while to read-but I have to say, in all my years of using message boards Ive never seen such a comprehensive pwnage in my life.

Jazz must spend his whole life walking around with his fingers in his ears.

 

[editor]

Yup. It's gold standard pwnage alright.

 

[Jazzz]

Took a while to read-but I have to say, in all my years of using message boards Ive never seen such a comprehensive pwnage in my life.

Jazz must spend his whole life walking around with his fingers in his ears.

you read the whole thread? if so you are quite insane.

As for 'fingers in the ears'... seems that a lot of posters here are seeking to avoid discussing the thread subject, i.e. an ex-Italian president revealing that it's common knowledge that 9/11 was an inside job.

Funny how people describe themselves, isn't it? Projection I believe it's called

 

[editor]

Projection I believe it's called

You mean like you posting that "the former Italian Prez has stated that it is common knowledge amongst governments that 9/11 was an inside job" yet failing spectacularly to back up that wild claim in any meaningful way at all?

Do you believe everything politicans tell you then? Have you bothered to research his claims or are you happy to take his word as gospel because you like what he's saying, despite the highly dubious nature of the claim?

 

[DrRingDing]

Do you believe everything politicans tell you then? Have you bothered to research his claims or are you happy to take his word as gospel because you like what he's saying, despite the highly dubious nature of the claim?

Anybody that claims they know PNAC influences didn't turn a blind eye to the coming 9/11 attacks and it was all just a big old blunder is just as full of shit as those that say they know it was carefully planned from the bottom up by the CIA.


There, that should offend everybody on this thread

 

[DrRingDing]

Anybody that claims they know PNAC influences didn't turn a blind eye to the coming 9/11 attacks and it was all just a big old blunder is just as full of shit as those that say they know it was carefully planned from the bottom up by the CIA.

Both these extremists are as bad as each other.

editor at one extreme batting for the pious Conformitons.

&

Jazzz at the other with his wacky, frazzled ideas playing for the Conspiraloons.


....and we're supposed to back one of these nutjobs?

 

[editor]

There, that should offend everybody on this thread

Still trolling away then, I see.

*sigh

 

[editor]

....and we're supposed to back one of these nutjobs?

...and still desperate for attention too.

Grow up, little boy.

 

[DrRingDing]

Not trolling just airing my views.

Still, it's more entertaining than your evangelical faith in the purity and responsibility of the PNAC.

 

[DrRingDing]

...and still desperate for attention too.

Grow up, little boy.

Can't argue the point and so goes straight for the ad hominem digs.

Well done, you're doing us proud.

 

[Badger Kitten]

Can't argue the point and so goes straight for the ad hominem digs.

Given the fact that anyone can click back and review your posts over the last 11 pages, that is quite spectacular chutzpah from you.

 

[editor]

Can't argue the point and so goes straight for the ad hominem digs.

Quite fabulous hypocrisy.

 

[DrRingDing]

Given the fact that anyone can click back and review your posts over the last 11 pages, that is quite spectacular chutzpah from you.

I haven't seen a banning of either you or the editor for your personal insults.

Funny that.

 

[DrRingDing]

Quite fabulous hypocrisy.

I'd be careful if I were you. Your on thin ice sonny.

Any more FAQ busting personal insults and you'll facing a banning.

 

[jæd]

I haven't seen a banning of either you or the editor for your personal insults.

Funny that.

And this is the dude who's had 2 x 24 bans, yet still dishes out his trolls. Not mention that dodgy title you've got...

 

[DrRingDing]

jaed, honey, light of my life, what brings you to this thread when you haven't bothered before all these years?

Genuine question.

 

[jæd]

jaed, honey, light of my life, what brings you to this thread when you haven't bothered before all these years?

Genuine question.

I'm interested if you can back anything up in the couple of posts. Genuine question.