Ex-Italian President: Intel Agencies Know 9/11 An Inside Job
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8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
Jazzz said:Ain't that the truth!
I wish temp bans had been applied more freely in other circumstances... i.e., to those arguing against conspiracy theories... well I say 'arguing'... anyway.
When dealing with a man who thinks he's winning an argument on building design with a qualified architect, it's easy to lose your temper.
oh get lost. Your mate was a total jerk. He was totally wrong on several points and when exposed just attempted to cover it with bluster. He is one of the most dishonest debaters I've ever talked to on these boards. I'd rather have a blowjob from a shark than deal with him again.8den said:
Bollocks Jazzz. You had your arse handed to you on a plate by The Architect.
Your perception of the matter is the biggest piece of revisionism since Jim Davidson claimed to have written the Koran, sometime after advising Stephen Hawkins that his theories on quantum gravity were 'absolute guff.'
Your perception of the matter is the biggest piece of revisionism since Jim Davidson claimed to have written the Koran, sometime after advising Stephen Hawkins that his theories on quantum gravity were 'absolute guff.'
Bob_the_lost
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He made one, one assertion that was wrong. Do you remember how many you made? You were right that the building's structural system was designed to take a static load 6 times greater than it's design load. It was a very clever way of you avoiding the topic of shock loading and sources that it sprang from.Jazzz said:
You made a tit of yourself time and time again.
Crispy said:
beesonthewhatnow said:
article translation - by 'steamin' (many thanks)
Osama-Berlusconi? «Trappola giornalistica»
Osama-Berlusconi? ‘Journalistic trap’
«È un videomontaggio di Mediaset e fatto giungere ad Al Jazira per rilanciare il Cavaliere in difficoltà»
‘It’s a video-montage by Mediaset and sent to Al Jazeera to relaunch ‘il Cavaliere’ who is in trouble’
Francesco Cossiga (Ansa)
ROMA - «A quanto mi è stato detto domani o dopo domani la più potente catena quotidiani-periodici del nostro Paese dovrebbe dare le prove, con uno scoop eccezionale, che il video (in realtà un audio, ndr) nel quale riappare Osama Bin Laden, leader del 'Grande e potente movimento di Rinvicita Islamica Al Qaeda', che Allah lo benedica!, nel quale sono formulate minacce anche all'ex premier Silvio Berlusconi, sarebbe nient'altro che un videomontaggio realizzato negli studi di Mediaset a Milano e fatto giungere alla rete televisiva islamista Al Jazira che lo ha ampiamente diffuso». Lo afferma il presidente emerito della Repubblica Francesco Cossiga in un comunicato.
‘From what has been said to me yesterday or the day before, the most powerful chain of newspapers and magazines in our country ought to give the proof, with an exceptional scoop, that the video (IN REALITY AUDIO) in which Osama bin Laden reappears, leader of the ‘Great and powerful movement of Islamic revenge Al Qaeda’, let Allah bless it! In which there are also threats made to the ex premier Silvio Berlusconi, is said to be nothing other than a video-montage put together in the studios of Mediaset in Milano and made for the benefit of the Islamic TV network Al Jazeera that has broadcast it widely’ So affirms the former president of the Republic Francesco Cossiga in a statement.
«TRAPPOLA» - «La 'trappola' sarebbe stata montata, secondo la sopra citata catena di stampa, per sollevare una ondata di solidarietà verso Berlusconi, nel momento nel quale si trova in difficoltà anche a causa di un altro scoop della stessa catena giornalistica sugli intrecci tra la Rai e Mediaset», continua il senatore a vita. «Da ambienti vicini a Palazzo Chigi, centro nevralgico di direzione dell'intelligence italiana, si fa notare che la non autenticità del video è testimoniata dal fatto che Osama Bin Laden in esso 'confessa' che Al Qaeda sarebbe stato l'autore dell'attentato dell'11 settembre alle due torri in New York, mentre tutti gli ambienti democratici d'America e d'Europa, con in prima linea quelli del centrosinistra italiano, sanno ormai bene che il disastroso attentato è stato pianificato e realizzato dalla Cia americana e dal Mossad con l'aiuto del mondo sionista per mettere sotto accusa i Paesi arabi e per indurre le potenze occidentali ad intervenire sia in Iraq sia in Afghanistan. Per questo - conclude Cossiga - nessuna parola di solidarietà è giunta a Silvio Berlusconi, che sarebbe l'ideatore della geniale falsificazione, né dal Quirinale, né da Palazzo Chigi né da esponenti del centrosinistra!».
‘The trap is said to have been put together, according to the above cited press chain, to stir a wave of solidarity towards Berlusconi, at a moment in which he finds himself in trouble also because of another scoop from the same journalistic chain on the plots between RAI and Mediaset’ continues the life senator. ‘From political circles close to the Palazzo Chigi, the neurological centre of Italian intelligence operations, it is noted that the non-authenticity of the video is witnessed by the fact that OBL in this ‘confesses’ that Al Qaeda carried out the attack of 11 September on the twin towers in New York, while all the democratic inner circles of America and Europe, starting with those on the Italian Centre-Left, now know well that the disastrous attack was planned and carried out by the American CIA and Mossad with the help of the zionist world to put the Arabic countries under accusation and to induce the Western powers to intervene both in Iraq and in Afghanistan. For this,’ concludes Cossiga, ‘No word of solidarity has arrived at Silvio Berlusconi, who is said to have had the idea of the ingenious falsification, neither from the Quirinale, nor from the Palazzo Chigi, nor from the representatives of the centre-left!’
Osama-Berlusconi? «Trappola giornalistica»
Osama-Berlusconi? ‘Journalistic trap’
«È un videomontaggio di Mediaset e fatto giungere ad Al Jazira per rilanciare il Cavaliere in difficoltà»
‘It’s a video-montage by Mediaset and sent to Al Jazeera to relaunch ‘il Cavaliere’ who is in trouble’
Francesco Cossiga (Ansa)
ROMA - «A quanto mi è stato detto domani o dopo domani la più potente catena quotidiani-periodici del nostro Paese dovrebbe dare le prove, con uno scoop eccezionale, che il video (in realtà un audio, ndr) nel quale riappare Osama Bin Laden, leader del 'Grande e potente movimento di Rinvicita Islamica Al Qaeda', che Allah lo benedica!, nel quale sono formulate minacce anche all'ex premier Silvio Berlusconi, sarebbe nient'altro che un videomontaggio realizzato negli studi di Mediaset a Milano e fatto giungere alla rete televisiva islamista Al Jazira che lo ha ampiamente diffuso». Lo afferma il presidente emerito della Repubblica Francesco Cossiga in un comunicato.
‘From what has been said to me yesterday or the day before, the most powerful chain of newspapers and magazines in our country ought to give the proof, with an exceptional scoop, that the video (IN REALITY AUDIO) in which Osama bin Laden reappears, leader of the ‘Great and powerful movement of Islamic revenge Al Qaeda’, let Allah bless it! In which there are also threats made to the ex premier Silvio Berlusconi, is said to be nothing other than a video-montage put together in the studios of Mediaset in Milano and made for the benefit of the Islamic TV network Al Jazeera that has broadcast it widely’ So affirms the former president of the Republic Francesco Cossiga in a statement.
«TRAPPOLA» - «La 'trappola' sarebbe stata montata, secondo la sopra citata catena di stampa, per sollevare una ondata di solidarietà verso Berlusconi, nel momento nel quale si trova in difficoltà anche a causa di un altro scoop della stessa catena giornalistica sugli intrecci tra la Rai e Mediaset», continua il senatore a vita. «Da ambienti vicini a Palazzo Chigi, centro nevralgico di direzione dell'intelligence italiana, si fa notare che la non autenticità del video è testimoniata dal fatto che Osama Bin Laden in esso 'confessa' che Al Qaeda sarebbe stato l'autore dell'attentato dell'11 settembre alle due torri in New York, mentre tutti gli ambienti democratici d'America e d'Europa, con in prima linea quelli del centrosinistra italiano, sanno ormai bene che il disastroso attentato è stato pianificato e realizzato dalla Cia americana e dal Mossad con l'aiuto del mondo sionista per mettere sotto accusa i Paesi arabi e per indurre le potenze occidentali ad intervenire sia in Iraq sia in Afghanistan. Per questo - conclude Cossiga - nessuna parola di solidarietà è giunta a Silvio Berlusconi, che sarebbe l'ideatore della geniale falsificazione, né dal Quirinale, né da Palazzo Chigi né da esponenti del centrosinistra!».
‘The trap is said to have been put together, according to the above cited press chain, to stir a wave of solidarity towards Berlusconi, at a moment in which he finds himself in trouble also because of another scoop from the same journalistic chain on the plots between RAI and Mediaset’ continues the life senator. ‘From political circles close to the Palazzo Chigi, the neurological centre of Italian intelligence operations, it is noted that the non-authenticity of the video is witnessed by the fact that OBL in this ‘confesses’ that Al Qaeda carried out the attack of 11 September on the twin towers in New York, while all the democratic inner circles of America and Europe, starting with those on the Italian Centre-Left, now know well that the disastrous attack was planned and carried out by the American CIA and Mossad with the help of the zionist world to put the Arabic countries under accusation and to induce the Western powers to intervene both in Iraq and in Afghanistan. For this,’ concludes Cossiga, ‘No word of solidarity has arrived at Silvio Berlusconi, who is said to have had the idea of the ingenious falsification, neither from the Quirinale, nor from the Palazzo Chigi, nor from the representatives of the centre-left!’
(cont.)
SOLIDARIETÀ - In realtà è giunta a Berlusconi la solidarietà per il governo di Vannino Chiti, ministro per i Rapporti con il Parlamento: «Esprimo la mia solidarietà a Silvio Berlusconi chiamato in causa, assieme ad altri leader europei, dal terrorista Osama Bin Laden nel suo messaggio di propaganda. Contro il terrorismo e contro queste farneticazioni deve essere forte l'unità delle forze politiche in Italia e l'impegno comune e la solidarietà dei popoli europei».
In reality Berlusconi has received solidarity for the government from Vannino Chiti, minister for relations with Parliament. ‘I express my solidarity to Silvio Berlusconi who was called into action, together with other European leaders, by the terrorist Osama Bin Laden in his propaganda message. The whole of the forces of Italian politics, along with common goal and the solidarity of the European people must be unified against terrorism an against this nonsense.’
30 novembre 2007
SOLIDARIETÀ - In realtà è giunta a Berlusconi la solidarietà per il governo di Vannino Chiti, ministro per i Rapporti con il Parlamento: «Esprimo la mia solidarietà a Silvio Berlusconi chiamato in causa, assieme ad altri leader europei, dal terrorista Osama Bin Laden nel suo messaggio di propaganda. Contro il terrorismo e contro queste farneticazioni deve essere forte l'unità delle forze politiche in Italia e l'impegno comune e la solidarietà dei popoli europei».
In reality Berlusconi has received solidarity for the government from Vannino Chiti, minister for relations with Parliament. ‘I express my solidarity to Silvio Berlusconi who was called into action, together with other European leaders, by the terrorist Osama Bin Laden in his propaganda message. The whole of the forces of Italian politics, along with common goal and the solidarity of the European people must be unified against terrorism an against this nonsense.’
30 novembre 2007
Bob_the_lost
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Doesn't make it untrue, he had you completely thrashed on all but one point, to which you then latched onto and were proven right. Throw enough shit etc. It's also worth noting that your only point you were proven right on is one you did not come up with yourself, on (nearly if not ) all the others (which admittedly were also not all your own) you came off rather badly.
But you're right, it is cross threading. Anyone who wishes to see Jazzz's thrashing please head here: http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=187912&page=24
But you're right, it is cross threading. Anyone who wishes to see Jazzz's thrashing please head here: http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=187912&page=24
Backatcha Bandit
is not taking your calls
Bob_the_lost said:
Yeah, that's well funny:
TheArchitect said:
Let's repeat the crucial bit of that article:
ok this rather shows that all those accusing the conspiracy sites of making up stuff were rather wrong and the thread starter correct.
The former Italian Prez has stated that it is common knowledge amongst governments that 9/11 was an inside job.
Any comments?
Any acknowledgements that the 'conspiraloon' websites and OP was right after all?
Anyone like to venture why this sensational comment hasn't been picked up by the rest of mainstream media?
you guys are the first to rubbish this stuff on any basis you can find. So how about some thinking, and honest posting? Or we going to bleat on about other piffle?
ok this rather shows that all those accusing the conspiracy sites of making up stuff were rather wrong and the thread starter correct.
The former Italian Prez has stated that it is common knowledge amongst governments that 9/11 was an inside job.
Any comments?
Any acknowledgements that the 'conspiraloon' websites and OP was right after all?
Anyone like to venture why this sensational comment hasn't been picked up by the rest of mainstream media?
you guys are the first to rubbish this stuff on any basis you can find. So how about some thinking, and honest posting? Or we going to bleat on about other piffle?
Bob_the_lost
Elsewhere
Neurological centre? Great translation
There's a comment for you.
There's a comment for you.
Bob_the_lost
Elsewhere
I also have a fairly good neurological center that tells me that this statement doesn't tell us anything. Even if he really did say what you think he does.Jazzz said:You have a nerve.
editor said:
Come on, ed. You must know better by now!
Augie March
blahem
Jazzz said:
I refer you to the post I made a while back asking a very simple question:
How credible do you feel is a man who claims that the 'Zionist world' was involved in an attack that killed thousands of innocent people in order to incite aggression against Arab states?
And let's be clear about this, if Cossiga was referring to some kind of political movement here or the Israeli government, he could've said so in that statement.
So perhaps you can explain why you'd be so keen to use this man's word as some kind of valuable source of infomation in your argument, when he is accusing the Zionist world (not movement, not government) of collabarating in the mass murder of innocent Western civillians.
When previously I asked this question I got the rather intelligent response of: 'Get back under your rock.' So I'm hoping you Jazzz can come up with something a bit more substantial as to why Cossiga is credible in his claims.
Jonti
what the dormouse said
It may not be stretching things too far to say that PNAC types are part of the Zionist world.
Certainly, many prominent supporters of the Project for a New American Century were/are staunch supporters of Zionism. And there is no doubt that the attacks did advance the agenda of the PNAC agitators, and brought down increased repression on the dispossessed of Palestine.
Certainly, many prominent supporters of the Project for a New American Century were/are staunch supporters of Zionism. And there is no doubt that the attacks did advance the agenda of the PNAC agitators, and brought down increased repression on the dispossessed of Palestine.
DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
So what fuckwits denied the semantics of the artcile, just to be proved wrong?
Hhmm?
Hhmm?
DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
jæd said:Oh... He's back again... Someone who had a bit of brain might stop after their second 24 hour ban...
I'm a miscarriage of justice, my old chestnut.
Augie March
blahem
Jonti said:
Perhaps. I suppose only Cossiga himself could explain exactly what he meant by 'Zionist world'. It just doesn't sit right with me and I'd still like to know if the people on here leaping up and down claiming that he is some kind of credible source, would still back his claims if he turned out to be proposing a slightly anti-semitic agenda.
Still no answers though.
DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
How does being against Zionist aims somehow = anti-semitism?
And for the record Cossiga is a cunt.
Can I say that^^ without getting banned?
And for the record Cossiga is a cunt.
Can I say that^^ without getting banned?
Augie March
blahem
DrRingDing said:
It isn't neccessarily. However, the way I read that statement was that that was the way he was leaning as I've explained already here. 'The Zionist world' instead of 'the Zionist movement' just sounds like it's more of a sweeping statement. Perhaps the kind of phrase an anti-semite would use if they were disguising their views under an anti-zionist flag, no?
I suppose this can be considered just as conjecture really. However, I'm just intrigued to know why no-one who was backing up his claims, didn't make it clear that they felt he would be less credible of a source if they felt his views were coming from an anti-semitic bias.
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