Nobdy's been ranting about lofty social principles. You're just doing what you've done for the past however many years and obsessively chasing an imaginary leftie round messageboards. And all because reality let you down when you were in Class War.
Does the left understand the working class and how would they answer their concerns?
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Nobdy's been ranting about lofty social principles. You're just doing what you've done for the past however many years and obsessively chasing an imaginary leftie round messageboards. And all because reality let you down when you were in Class War.
revol68
what, fucking what?
Your views don't count on the basis that you're pretty much clueless about reality, revol.
Hth
The problem is that the closer my views get to reality the more they stand in contradiction to hegemonic ideology.
You're reality probably sits well with your civil servant chums, mine sits better with the minimum waged and unemployed I know. It's almost like different psotions within an social economic system creates different beliefs.
revol68
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But you do the same, except you hint at some sort of underlying politic you never actually reveal. Carousel is a wanton nihilsitc slut, whilst you are a coy cock teasing tart.
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fortunately they're still at some remove.
revol68
what, fucking what?
Well of course they ultimately failed otherwise I wouldn't actually have to give a shit about them. However might I ask you where you think the 8 hour day came from or the numerous other rights that people battled to win?
Ask yourself this, what would be gained from takin inspiration from the winners of history, considering the world they have left us?
It's nowt to do with any personal values I might hold. What I was referring to was the general optimism of the educated elites at the time when the various ideologies that make up the left in its broadest sense took off. They were largely the product of a sense that all life's problems were subject to rational solutions. It's still the dominant culture today, despite everything.
Carousel obviously thinks that this can somehow be altered (in favour of what he is unwilling to reveal) by chasing people round messageboards trying to get them to say what he wants them to say so he can stick his tongue out and chortle.
revol68
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Pickman I understand you have some weird fetish for me but it's getting embarrassing seeing you reduced to forgetting even the basic of your apparent politics in order to snipe at me.
I mean has it got so bad that you are prepared to overlook all sorts of right wing shit slide simply so you don't have to agree with me, even on the basics?
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i believe that my politics are realistic. you assert yours are at odds with reality. end of.
revol68
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of course your politics are at odds with reality, otheriwse you'd supprt the status quo.
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that doesn't follow.
The problem is that the closer my views get to reality the more they stand in contradiction to hegemonic ideology.
You're reality probably sits well with your civil servant chums, mine sits better with the minimum waged and unemployed I know. It's almost like different psotions within an social economic system creates different beliefs.
Firstly, 'prolier than thou' posts just make you look foolish. It's the new Godwin's law.
Secondly, you have no idea what I do for a job. So how do you know I have no idea about the minimum waged and unemployed? But you can carry on making assumptions if you prefer. Like the one earlier when you said I hadn't emptied bins etc. That really was another great facepalm moment.
revol68
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No, it really does. If you politics aim to change the current reality, that is things as they are, then they are by default at odds with it, otherwise no change would be necessary.
It really isn't hard to grasp.
You tell me. But I bet the answer isn't 'communism' of the sort you espouse. You appear to be taking credit for achievements won by people who probably don't share much of your world view. That's a bit disingenuous really isn't it?
revol68
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I know you work as a civil servant, and no my post wasn't meant as prolier than though, simply meant to point out that you're views on work and unemployment differ quite considerably from those I know in temp minimun wage jobs and those on the dole. It should hardly be suprising that there is a difference in perspective.
revol68
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revol68
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Have you been reading LLETSA ducking and diving out of giving meaningful responses to my posts?
revol68
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So you don't think there would be any difference in perspective?
About bombers? No thanks.
Asking the kind of straightforward questions that probably anybody would ask of somebody who goes on like you do is hardly ducking and diving.
revol68
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If you have an averison to learning anything about history that involved explosives you're going to have some pretty major gaps in your knowledge.
revol68
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well then make it.
That's not what I meant.
I already did way back in this thread, but you chose to ignore it.
Probably because it made you look foolish.
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no, it doesn't fucking follow, you sorry excuse for a human being. either your politics are fucking airy-fairy wank without any foundation in the real world (which is where your politics appear to be) or they are founded on people's everyday lives. to quote the late, great raoul vaneigem, people who talk about revolution and class struggle without referring explicitly to everyday life ... such people have a corpse in their mouth. it is utterly fucking fuckwitted to remove your politics from reality - if you want to get from fucking a to fucking b you have to know where fucking a is first. you've admitted that you are unrealistic; don't be so crass as to believe everyone else makes the same error.
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