Do angry vegans turn you against going vegan?

[gentlegreen]

My local Tesco appears to have stopped stocking their generic soy milk in favour of expensive alternatives.

I am somewhat annoyed that the only kind of hemp milk that anyone sells near me is sweetened and vanilla-flavoured' To my taste it doesn't even work as dessert.

In retirement, I may well try to come up with the machinery to process bulk hemp seed as well as soy ...

 

[Spymaster]

I'm not even Vegan and this article is offensive in it's stupidity :

Lewis Hamilton: Could a vegan diet hamper his 'racing edge'?

BTW yesterday I purchased some oat milk, today is my first day going dairy free. Introducing the changes now. Eating more fruit too.

That's just a shit headline. The thrust of the piece makes sense and is not a pop at vegan diets in particular. It suggests that substantially changing ones diet can, in the short term, create issues that can affect performance whatever the diet is. So a vegan sportsman switching to a meat diet mid-season would be similarly inadvisable.

 

[Casual Observer]

Oh, I'm also going to be making my own soup for the first time in my life. Pumpkin soup!

Difficult to go wrong with vegan soup. Made my first of the season yesterday - potatoes, onions, carrots, courgettes, peppers and stock cubes. Pita bread on the side. Oooooouzing nutrients, vitamins and general goodness.

 

[mwgdrwg]

Difficult to go wrong with vegan soup. Made my first of the season yesterday - potatoes, onions, carrots, courgettes, peppers and stock cubes. Pita bread on the side. Oooooouzing nutrients, vitamins and general goodness.

Made mine with pumpkin, onion, carrots, garlic, leeks, and a vegetable stock cube, salt and pepper.

The pan was massive, so maybe I should've used 2 stock cubes. Other than that, it tasted lovely! Had a bowl, going to freeze two portions, and I should have enough for several bowls in the coming days. Feels good!

 

[Jeff Robinson]

New article from Glenn Greenwald on the recent FBI crackdown on animal rights activists. Background:

While filming the conditions at the Smithfield facility (a factory farm), activists saw the two ailing baby piglets laying on the ground, visibly ill and near death, surrounded by the rotting corpses of dead piglets. “One was swollen and barely able to stand; the other had been trampled and was covered in blood,” said Wayne Hsiung of Direct Action Everywhere (DxE), which filmed the facility and performed the rescue...

Rather than leave the two piglets at Circle Four Farm to wait for an imminent and painful death, the DxE activists decided to rescue them. They carried them out of the pens where they had been suffering and took them to an animal sanctuary to be treated and nursed back to health.

FBI agents have been on the hunt for the rescued piglets. Here is what they did at one farm sanctuary:

The FBI agents ordered staff and volunteers to stay away from the animals and then approached the piglets. To obtain the DNA samples, the state veterinarians accompanying the FBI used a snare to pressurize the piglet’s snout, thus immobilizing her in pain and fear, and then cut off close to two inches of the piglet’s ear.

The piglet’s pain was so severe, and her screams so piercing, that the sanctuary’s staff members screamed and cried. Even the FBI agents were so sufficiently disturbed by the resulting trauma, that they directed the veterinarians not to subject the second piglet to the procedure. The sanctuary representative recounted that the piglet who had part of her ear removed spent weeks depressed and scared, barely moving or eating, and still has not fully recovered. The FBI “receipt” given to the sanctuaries shows they took DNA samples “from swine.”

Several volunteers at one of the raided animal shelters said they were followed back to their homes by FBI agents, who dramatically questioned them in front of family members and neighbors. And there is even reason to believe that the bureau has been surveilling the activists’ private communications regarding the rescue of this piglet duo.

The FBI’s Hunt for Two Missing Piglets Reveals the Federal Cover-Up of Barbaric Factory Farms

Unspeakable savagery and barbarism. And people wonder why vegans are angry? How the fuck can you read that and not be angry?

 

[ddraig]

 

[mwgdrwg]

That's horrible.

 

[mwgdrwg]

5th day without meat. Have had some dairy in the form of a cake, but I've still cut out dairy otherwise.

 

[mwgdrwg]

Well I've done a week without meat. Not missing it, though I am craving milk.

Where can I find our more about becoming vegan? Tips welcome.

 

[gentlegreen]

Although I went vegan 36 years ago, I have only recently been learning how to do it properly.

I've settled on a "nutritarian" approach as espoused by Joel Fuhrmann and I also get an idea of what to eat from Michael Greger - it's worth watching his video "40 year vegan dies of heart attack".

You will need to make sure you have a source of B12 and D and omega 3 precursors.

 

[ddraig]

Well I've done a week without meat. Not missing it, though I am craving milk.

Where can I find our more about becoming vegan? Tips welcome.

da iawn!
How to go vegan
Going Vegan with Viva!
if you're on FB there may be a group in your area you can get advice on where to get stuff locally, cafes and takeaways etc
there are also youtube channels etc

 

[mwgdrwg]

Making another soup tonight! Loved the pumpkin soup I made last week, so after looking at some online recipies and what I've got in the house I've come up with this:

Onion, garlic, celery, carrot, pepper, tomato puree, red lentils, a bit of V8, paprika, tobasco sauce.

Should be nice and warming right?

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Well I've done a week without meat. Not missing it, though I am craving milk.

Where can I find our more about becoming vegan? Tips welcome.

A few ideas:

Do you have a smart phone? If so download the 'Happy Cow' app. When you're out and about and want food it finds all the places that sell vegan food near you.

Are you on facebook? If so follow 'Bosh' for recipes.

This is quite a good quick guide vegan food video:

Check out this website for various resources: https://veganuary.com/

If you want a mentor for 22 days you can sign up here: Challenge 22+

If you have any questions post them up here or PM me

 

[Calamity1971]

On my way mwgdrwg.

 

[mwgdrwg]

Thanks for all the links and tips everyone!

 

[PaoloSanchez]

I'm having thoughts about becoming Vegetarian or Vegan.

I feel like I'm addicted to milk and meat, and I don't really want to be.

In some ways it's a lot easier to go vegan than it used to be so you should be able to find vegan stuff available in lots of places and a lot more awareness around. In other ways it can still be quite a challenge with the overwhelming majority not being vegan and the abundance of information (sometimes conflicting) which can be daunting for newbies.

A good starting point might be to think about your reasons for going veg*n in the first place and follow up on those reasons by reading, watching videos and interacting with people who are already veg*n and see what resonates with you.

 

[PaoloSanchez]

What's the best milk-alternative for putting in tea/coffee/cereal?

I don't drink hot beverages or have cereal so don't really have much of a need for alternative milks, but my wife does and she has a preference for this particular brand of Oat Milk...

I think this is one of those things where you'll have to try a number of them and see what ones you like. If you don't like soy, there's rice milk, almond milk, coconut milk, hemp milk...and each brand will have their own formula and taste so you might need to experiment before you find one that you like.

 

[PaoloSanchez]

I'm not even Vegan and this article is offensive in it's stupidity :

Lewis Hamilton: Could a vegan diet hamper his 'racing edge'?

BTW yesterday I purchased some oat milk, today is my first day going dairy free. Introducing the changes now. Eating more fruit too.

More often than not, the "journalism" related to vegan issues can be a bit naff. Fortunately there are some good quality alternatives to balance things out. I regularly take a peek at the Latest Vegan News - Plant Based News - Vegan News, Conscious Living & More website, and there are a number of good youtube channels, here's a sample from my subscriptions...

 

[mwgdrwg]

Well after 2.5 weeks I had a chicken curry from a take-away last night.

Didn't enjoy it. Back on my vegetarian diet today, and trying not to feel too bad about it.

Did anyone else have lapses at the beginning?

 

[gentlegreen]

When I first went veggie, aged about 18, with no clue about what to eat, I succumbed on Dartmoor because I was feeling weak ...
When I did it properly when I was 21, I had been eating white sliced bread, mixed fruit jam and bacon bits, so the food my hippy flatmate introduced me to was such a revelation, I wanted to eat no other way.

 

[PaoloSanchez]

Just watched Lewis H's win on Sky and him giving a shout out to being plant based.

Doesn't appear to have adversely affected his performance as some of the so called "experts" were suggesting that it might.

 

[SaskiaJayne]

Random veganry on R4 news just before 6am. Bad tempered exchange betweem pro dairy professor who said life without iodine as found in dairy is death. Vegan person retorted that iodine only in cattle as they were fed it & had their teats washed with it & there was more iodine in seaweed.

 

[gentlegreen]

BBC Radio 4 - Farming Today, Milk and health, The Welsh Dairy Show and crab apples

at 08:40

The prof was saying that fortified dairy products eliminated a problem with deficiency that used to prevail.
I was 100 percent vegan for 20 years and must have been getting my iodine from elsewhere ... and I have always avoided excess salt ... perhaps it was the seasalt used to make soy sauce.

does soy sauce have iodine? - Thyroid Disorders Message Board - HealthBoards

I'm making an effort to get seaweed into my diet - the prof was saying that some seaweeds have dangerous levels ...which I was already aware of ..

 

[PaoloSanchez]

Concerns about a trend towards a dairy-free and vegan diets have been raised by farmers in Wales.

Wales Dairy Show chairman Colin Evans said a rise in vegan celebrities meant farmers needed to "prove" that they "produce food in a healthy manner".

NFU Cymru stressed vegans only represent about 1% of people.

The Vegan Society has argued that dairy products leads to stress for animals in the industry.

It suggested last year that about 3.25% of the UK population are now vegetarians, and that the number of vegans is growing.

 

[ddraig]

lol, pricks

 

[Spymaster]

Nah

 

[PaoloSanchez]

Seed capital: has veganism become big business?
Vegan businesses are sprouting up across the UK to service this demand. Between 2012 and 2016, there was a 185% jump in the number of vegan products launched in the UK, while 9% of food products launched in the UK in last year carried a vegan claim, up from 3% in 2012, according to Mintel.

Consumers’ aspirations for healthier lifestyles are helping to drive this, says Clifford. “Vegan products in particular have moved into the focus of public attention, capturing the imagination of consumers on health-related as well as ethical and religious grounds.”

 

[Jeff Robinson]

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Concerns about a trend towards a dairy-free and vegan diets have been raised by farmers in Wales.

Wales Dairy Show chairman Colin Evans said a rise in vegan celebrities meant farmers needed to "prove" that they "produce food in a healthy manner".

NFU Cymru stressed vegans only represent about 1% of people.

The Vegan Society has argued that dairy products leads to stress for animals in the industry.

It suggested last year that about 3.25% of the UK population are now vegetarians, and that the number of vegans is growing.

"The vegan activism we've seen on a UK level in recent months represents an extremist view of dairy farming which portrays a completely inaccurate image of the UK dairy industry."

The dairy industry is based on systematic violence against and exploitation of vulnerable beings. It is the reality of the dairy industry that is extreme not what vegans say about it.

 

[PaoloSanchez]

"The vegan activism we've seen on a UK level in recent months represents an extremist view of dairy farming which portrays a completely inaccurate image of the UK dairy industry."

The dairy industry is based on systematic violence against and exploitation of vulnerable beings. It is the reality of the dairy industry that is extreme not what vegans say about it.

Absolutely, however unfortunately the number of people who can be bothered with this sort of stuff is still quite small and a lot of people don't really see it as a big issue. When I was a vegetarian, it wasn't something that I thought too much about tbh, not eating meat was good enough and I was not aware of the inherent cruelty that's built into the dairy industry.

The good thing, imo, is that the awareness is growing and more people are at least giving pause for thought, hence the push back from the dairy farming industry who's profits would obviously be affected, I guess in the same way that those who made a living from slavery might not have welcomed the end of the slave trade.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

Yep. Bringing up the slave trade is a sure fire way to get people on side and create a reasonable debate on the issue