Do angry vegans turn you against going vegan?

[Jeff Robinson]

People who self-harm will inevitably go onto attack others. Its inevitable.

I know he qualifies it but its a truly bizarre statement.

I concede that that quote is poor and I regret including it. What I was trying to do was point out that key figures from the anti-racist and civil rights movement have seen animal rights as connected to their struggles for equality. Some random troll on twitter does not represent the movement.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I concede that that quote is poor and I regret including it. What I was trying to do was point out that key figures from the anti-racist and civil rights movement have seen animal rights as connected to their struggles for equality. Some random troll on twitter does not represent the movement.

Fair dos, although the post you quoted wasn't referring to a random troll on twitter. I think it was referring to one of our very own.

 

[mrs quoad]

Again, more incoherent nonsense, looks like that completely run out of argument and getting desperate.

HOUSE!!!

We're playing Trump speech bingo, right?

Edit: though now I check my card, I see you're missing "fake news"

 

[PaoloSanchez]

I'm not the one preaching some moral superiority here.

So that's your very poor excuse for behaving like a savage thug, lol. (typical meathead?) Anyway, I reject your bogus "preaching" claim and all the other claims of being "smug", "condescending" and all the other crap that you and your professional hater buddies pull out of your backsides. When you've run out of rational argument the "smug" accusation is the refuge for you cowardly scoundrels.

 

[cupid_stunt]

So that's your very poor excuse for behaving like a savage thug, lol. (typical meathead?) Anyway, I reject your bogus "preaching" claim and all the other claims of being "smug", "condescending" and all the other crap that you and your professional hater buddies pull out of your backsides. When you've run out of rational argument the "smug" accusation is the refuge for you cowardly scoundrels.

I want to call you as mad as a march hare, but I don't want to upset the hares.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

savage thug... professional hater... cowardly scoundrels.

 

[mrs quoad]

So that's your very poor excuse for behaving like a savage thug, lol. (typical meathead?)

Savages?

Are they lacking in civilisation, too?

 

[PaoloSanchez]

The slaughter is for a very good reason. To feed people.

Except that palate preference is not a good reason especially given that most of us are not obligated to eat meat and all the other well documented negatives that meat eaters choose to disregard.

 

[PaoloSanchez]

PaoloSanchez I'm on holiday. The breakfast buffet in the current hotel is unlimited. For every post you make on this thread from now on, I'm going to take another sausage, even if I can't eat it. Let's see if saving animals from being eaten is more important to you than having the last word.

Well you might have to cool hand Luke those sausages. I'll take your sausages and raise them. For every future numpty hater post from now I will reply with an educational video (which of course we all know that all the "nobody's" that have swarmed this thread will not be watching ).

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

Except that palate preference is not a good reason

Yes it is. Food with a wonderful variety of flavours and textures is a great joy of life.

the other well documented negatives that meat eaters choose to disregard.

Or that some give consideration to and then reach a different conclusion that you.

 

[PaoloSanchez]

Or that some give consideration to and then reach a different conclusion that you.

Like I said many times, whatever floats your boat. People that are comfortable with their choices shouldn't be affected by my opinions, and yet it really seems to bother them that I have a different perspective. Why is that, especially given that they are in the overwhelming majority?

Funny how the vegans are supposedly the angry ones and yet meatheads be fuming in this thread.

 

[Spymaster]

Funny how the vegans are supposedly the angry ones and yet meatheads be fuming in this thread.

I don't see anyone fuming here. Just people taking the piss out of you. You've probably realised by now that a few of us are having a private game for which your presence is completely essential. You're being played like a fiddle.

 

[Yossarian]

Like I said many times, whatever floats your boat. People that are comfortable with their choices shouldn't be affected by my opinions, and yet it really seems to bother them that I have a different perspective. Why is that, especially given that they are in the overwhelming majority?

"Because sausages and bacon are yummy, everybody loves sausages and bacon, look, I'm going to eat more yummy sausages right now" seems to be the level of debate right now.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

"Because sausages and bacon are yummy, everybody loves sausages and bacon, look, I'm going to eat more yummy sausages right now" seems to be the level of debate right now.

Come off it. That post was in response to his China nonsense. He's got off relatively lightly for most of his nonsense on this thread. He was bringing in comparisons to paedophilia earlier.

 

[PaoloSanchez]

"Because sausages and bacon are yummy, everybody loves sausages and bacon, look, I'm going to eat more yummy sausages right now" seems to be the level of debate right now.

...and don't forget...

 

[Spymaster]

Ding

 

[ddraig]

bullies basically
however much shit you think PS has posted or however much you disagree with them a few of you have been acting like gleeful kids in the playground picking on the person who's different
puerile, pathetic and typical

 

[Spymaster]

bullies basically
however much shit you think PS has posted or however much you disagree with them a few of you have been acting like gleeful kids in the playground picking on the person who's different
puerile, pathetic and typical

Yep. Nothing to do with his behaviour. Oh no.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Not once on this entire thread has ps acknowledged that some aspect of something he's posted might not quite be absolutely wonderful and correct.

 

[PaoloSanchez]

Not once on this entire thread has ps acknowledged that some aspect of something he's posted might not quite be absolutely wonderful and correct.

More bs. If you disagree with something that I've posted then it is for you to counter/challenge it with a good argument, and not make bogus strawman claims about what you think I'm doing.

Alternative you can complain and whine like a baby which you seem to be quite keen on.

 

[Spymaster]

Alternative you can complain and whine like a baby which you seem to be quite keen on.

Ding

 

[mrs quoad]

More bs. If you disagree with something that I've posted then it is for you to counter/challenge it with a good argument, and not make bogus strawman claims about what you think I'm doing.

Alternative you can complain and whine like a baby which you seem to be quite keen on.

Your comment about Chinese civilisation was blatant racism, loosely covered by some sort of appeal to veganism being "civilised"; your approach to individual responsibility and preventable diseases ignored every facet of social and structural factors constraining free choice (let alone the IRL situation that was put to you); and you don't seem to have any response to ahimsa milk actually being ok in and of itself.

Tbf, the first two are the proper "wtf" points from the last two pages. The third, as lbj said, is probably because you don't seem to be unable to accept any nuance (let alone backtracking) in your opinion. No compromise, or sth.

 

[hipipol]

Eat what you want, but passive aggressive waftyism is the style eh?
Don't try to "Nudge" me into guilt (you Blairite fools)
Kut me down with yer organic Avacado flint mattocks you haters of fleshchompers, whatever, DONT do this:-

self congratulatory superiorist wank frenzy land

 

[mojo pixy]

And still no actual direct action for the cause, to justify the aggressive moralising.
Because direct action is just psychotic.

 

[8ball]

My question to the good people of Urban75 is this. Do angry vegans make you want to shout bacon in their face? Do angry vegans make you think say oh f*** off would you? Are you more receptive to a non judgemental, the right side of sanity vegan? Or do you still want to shout bacon in their face?

I think we shouldn't be too harsh on angry vegans.
I get the hump when I'm hungry too.

 

[PaoloSanchez]

bullies basically
however much shit you think PS has posted or however much you disagree with them a few of you have been acting like gleeful kids in the playground picking on the person who's different
puerile, pathetic and typical

A bile of bullies? tbh, they are more cowards than bullies...a flight of cowards?
In order to make up for the lack of progress in any of their arguments, they use all sorts of dirty tricks and techniques including ridiculous accusations and general swarming and trolling when they don't get their way. It's their way of trashing the thread and trying to make it uninhabitable like Homs.

Of course I don't think I've posted any shit at all (but then I would say that wouldn't I ), but even if for the sake of argument everything I said was complete bollocks, if any of them were any good they would be able to soundly beat down my arguments with solid ones of their own, especially given their overwhelmingly superior numerical advantage.

 

[PaoloSanchez]

Your comment about Chinese civilisation was blatant racism, ...blah blah blah...

How many folks does lbj have on his payroll, ffs.

tbh, I don't always bother replying to your weird riddle posts but I'll make an exception.
1. Blatant racism? Wow, just wow! Over reach much? I stand by what I said regarding China potentially becoming more civilised, and there's nothing racist in that whatsoever in spite of you and others grotesquely pathetic attempt to extract racism from that. If you really do genuinely believe that to be "blatantly racist" then put your money where your mouth with and report it to the moderators. What utter nonsense. Incidentally while we're at it, in this regard I also consider the west to also be rather uncivilised in this regard, so I guess that must also be racist, right?

2. Regarding this gobbledigook..."your approach to individual responsibility and preventable diseases ignored every facet of social and structural factors constraining free choice", even if whatever you were trying to say there was true, so what? If I have a different opinion about something, why should that bother anybody else? Why do you and others feel that you need to continuously pound away until I agree with you?

3. "let alone the IRL situation that was put to you", more bollocks. I stand by my original answer to the alleged IRL. It is not something that I am overly concerned with. Even the example that lbj gave doesn't require animal testing so his whole point was fucking moot anyway ffs.

4. Ahimsa milk? So what? You want me to agree that it's ok and I don't agree, and yet I'm supposed to be the one "forcing my opinion on others".

5 "The third, as lbj said, is probably because you don't seem to be unable to accept any nuance (let alone backtracking) in your opinion. No compromise, or sth."
You must have rushed that because it was even more nonsensical than your usual posts, but I think I can figure out what you're getting at, and my response yet again is, even if that was true (which it isn't btw)...SO WHAT?

My basic premise is that killing animals when we have no need to is cruel, uncivilised, inhumane and just plain wrong. If you have convincing arguments that you believe show the opposite then bring them to the table. I'm not going to suddenly say "actually killing animals when we don't need to is a good thing" unless I hear a convincing argument in favour. The only reason that you are complaining about supposed "lack of compromise" is that you can't really make any of your arguments stick, hence the frustration. If anybody here is trying to force their opinions, it's definitely you lot, and all this when you don't really need to given that you are in the 99%.

 

[mojo pixy]

...trying to make it uninhabitable like Homs.

An ISIS comparison now? JFC what's the matter with you?

 

[PaoloSanchez]

And still no actual direct action for the cause, to justify the aggressive moralising.
Because direct action is just psychotic.

lol, another lbj devotee labouring a moot point.
You have no idea what goes on in my world so you are just talking out of your behind, as usual.
There are many ways to promote and influence and effect change. Smashing up buildings and sticking bananas in tailpipes might be what floats your boat, but it's not for everyone so I'm not sure what's behind continued pursuit of that rather lame point. I've appeared on tv and in the centre spread a tabloid and have done several presentations. I'm happy with that. You've burned down a building? Good for you, whatever floats your boat.

As for the "agressive moralising" nonsense, loooool. That's just laughable, especially given the genuinely aggressive and angry tone coming from those on your side of the fence, but of course you're not going to see that with those heavily biased blinkers of yours, eh.

Anyway...I'm now out for the day. I shall return tomorrow and hopefully there'll be some non numpty posts to respond to.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

Fuck me.