Do angry vegans turn you against going vegan?

[lazythursday]

I'm also a 'seagan'. I'm aware that it falls far short of the vegan ideal but it's what works for me health-wise, and it means I'm radically reducing both the environmental footprint and animal suffering caused by my diet. I don't really see that it should be any less ethical than being a vegetarian, given that the dairy industry reeks of death and cruelty.

 

[A380]

Mistakes get made in restaurants. Who hasn't been given the wrong food at some point?

They apologised and replaced her meal. No more or less than you'd expect. To then go to the newspaper is a cunt's trick.

Yes,the etiquette is that you just quietly and politely draw the waiters attention to the error and allow them to replace it with the correct item. You then politely thank them for the new dish when it is bought out. You don't speak of the mistake again.

Then you go back to the restaurant a week later at about 3 in the morning and torch the fucker.

 

[Sirena]

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

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I actually had something similar happen on a homesteading forum. I registered for the forum, and got a message from the mod saying they'd looked at my Facebook likes, and that maybe the forum wasn't for me. I didn't even post a single post on the forum before I was booted.

 

[PaoloSanchez]

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[mrs quoad]

looks who's back with their utter contempt for people different to them!

#poeslaw #apparentlypostedinallseriousness #nomirrorsinthathouse

 

[gentlegreen]

My

I actually had something similar happen on a homesteading forum. I registered for the forum, and got a message from the mod saying they'd looked at my Facebook likes, and that maybe the forum wasn't for me. I didn't even post a single post on the forum before I was booted.

Homesteading has an unhealthy overlap with "preppers" I find.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

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Homesteading has an unhealthy overlap with "preppers" I find.

Even more worrying, is a small over lap with white supremacy. Tuning in and dropping out isn't just for hippies any more. I've been to a sustainable Ag conference in Kansas a couple of times, and you see the whole variety of people. You'll see someone in Amish dress walk by, followed by tie-dye and sandals, followed by someone in army green and carrying a knife.

 

[Sasaferrato]

You learn something new every day. Well as long as it doesn't make my pint smell fishy I guess I'm ok with it.

It is only used in cask conditioned beer. The bog standard stuff is pressure filtered, then has CO2 blasted into it.

 

[cupid_stunt]

It is only used in cask conditioned beer. The bog standard stuff is pressure filtered, then has CO2 blasted into it.

Blimey, that was back on page 1, you have another 34 pages of nonsense to go.

 

[Sasaferrato]

Blimey, that was back on page 1, you have another 34 pages of nonsense to go.

I had already moved on when your reply popped up.

 

[pengaleng]

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haha that is quality

 

[William of Walworth]

I'm not anticipating eating out much when I move to France

Can't get beyond this part of gentlegreen 's post

Vegan/mostly-vegan/whatever and you're planning to move to France?

You must be insane ....

 

[Celyn]

In Seine.

 

[pengaleng]

sans le cerveau

 

[Casually Red]

Seriously, I really don't understand the terminology fixation. You can call yourself whatever you like, it's nobody else's business. If you want to call yourself a sealion or whatever, so be it. Some people have nothing better to do.

Are we now into veganism as an identity as opposed to a diet/ eating disorder ?

Anyway...hold on a fucking minute . You were giving it large ..and so were a load of others...about hitler not being a vegan because he'd supposedly eaten some chicken livers in 1937 . Different story now one of your mob has been exposed as a vegan Rachel Dolezal . lay off the mung beans mate . They're making your head spin .

 

[Casually Red]

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Not Lovin’ It – Life-long vegetarian sick after bungling McDonald’s staff give her chicken

I can think of plenty of other reasons not to eat at McDonalds ...

Not Lovin’ It – Life-long vegetarian sick after bungling McDonald’s staff give her chicken

I had a face on me like that once when an inexperienced bartender tried to give me an alcohol free version of erdinger . Didn't go to the newspapers over it though . Although a stern letter to the Times did cross my mind .

 

[editor]

Are we now into veganism as an identity as opposed to a diet/ eating disorder ?

Anyway...hold on a fucking minute . You were giving it large ..and so were a load of others...about hitler not being a vegan because he'd supposedly eaten some chicken livers in 1937 . Different story now one of your mob has been exposed as a vegan Rachel Dolezal . lay off the mung beans mate . They're making your head spin .

"Exposed as a vegan"? Oooookay.

 

[Watermelon Man]

FFS Hitler again????????

 

[gentlegreen]

FFS Hitler again????????

There was a time when that would have sent a thread to the bin - or perhaps anyone playing that joker should be banned from a thread ?

 

[Watermelon Man]

Nope.

I was vegan for 20 years, then deviated into fish, cheese and eggs - I'm currently vegan.

My main priority is health and I can just about justify oily fish as a healthy source of Omega3, B12 and D - omega 3 especially is a challenge on a vegan diet.

There is also what I'm prepared to catch and kill myself - which is only fish - I've done it 3 times now - two pollack and a mackerel - and even then I may find I can't do it when I try fishing again after a 12 year break.
To be honest I have more problem with the bait.

I probably won't eat fish again until I'm able to catch it myself - and not until my weight is back to where it should be.

B12 is easy. Either pick your arse and eat it or nutritional yeast or b12 tabs. Omega 3 is easy. Flaxseed ground. Vitamin D? drops. There's also the iron issue for women (sorted with decent iron tabs). Iodine deficiency can be a problem but a few decent kelp tablets sort that out. There's a debate about long chain fatty acids for vegans. Depending what side you believe - you can take EPA DHA tablets.

Health should be a priority and a vegan diet can be great for that. I'm arguably in my greatest health, eating the most amount of calories and my diet is pretty unhealthy. Beer, chips, crisps, biscuits, chocolate, pizzas, junk food, booze etc.

Before I went vegan I was fat, classed as obese, constantly sick, tired and feeling angry, miserable and like a sack of shit. These days there is a difference. I'm loads happier, less angry but have my moments. I rarely get ill or even feel below par. All this on a pretty unhealthy vegan diet. I can't really get my head around eating fish. All that pollution, mercury etc.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

Any diet requiring you take to tablets/drops/supplements is - pretty much by definition - awful.

I'll stick with a normal, healthy, balanced variety of food thanks.

 

[ddraig]

there's that "normal" again!
how about you do what the fuck you want and not have a go at others for doing what they want with diet and ethical choices

 

[gentlegreen]

Since watching Michael Greger's video the year before last I have been stuffing flaxseed like there's no tomorrow - both whole and ground and am now sprouting omega3-rich seeds and the tablespoon full of cooking oil I use daily is rapeseed. (I also have an enlarged prostate - another reason for eating flaxseed)
Unfortunately I have a serious tahini habit that skews the balance towards omega6 ...

Sadly I didn't know enough about nutrition for the 20 years I was vegan before ...

B12 is as cheap as chips and mostly fed to farm animals so I have little problem with it .. I get my D from UV-treated fungi as well as getting more sunlight than most - and will be growing my own in retirement - when I plan to eat a lot of seaweed both directly and through using it as fertiliser ...
Perhaps one day I will learn to grow the right sort of algae ...

Unfortunately one whiff of the sea and I understand why a group of mammals grew fishy tails


It could be that learning to dive will kill any enthusiasm for fishing ... or at least remove the magic and mystery..

 

[Watermelon Man]

Any diet requiring you take to tablets/drops/supplements is - pretty much by definition - awful.

I'll stick with a normal, healthy, balanced variety of food thanks.

No. You misunderstand. You do not have to take supplements on a vegan diet. B12 can be found in food (and your arse). Vit D can be found in fortified soy/almond milk and fortified tofu.

Iodine - seaweed
Iron - combine iron rich food with vitamin c.

If planned out right, it's all there.

 

[gentlegreen]

No. You misunderstand. You do not have to take supplements on a vegan diet

Shockingly bad advice.

 

[gentlegreen]

I hope to retire to the land in a country where veganism is almost defined as a mental illness so will almost certainly be making my own soy milk / tofu and tempeh ... I may even grow my own soy beans or use an alternative.

So I will be eating a wholefood diet from the ground up - I plan to emulate the Okinawan diet - they certainly don't eat their own poo - and probably get their B12 from small amounts of pork - perhaps fish.

 

[PaoloSanchez]

Can't get beyond this part of gentlegreen 's post

Vegan/mostly-vegan/whatever and you're planning to move to France?

You must be insane ....

I've had two spells working in France, in 3 months 2005 in Angers in the Loire valley and 10 months in 2007/8 working in Paris, and tbh I didn't find it that difficult. The Happy Cow website helped a lot, even though smartphones weren't around at the time and google maps didn't exist. I was able to print off a list of vegetarian/vegan friendly establishments and that was enough for me, they usually weren't that difficult to find once I had the address.
It is so much easier now, with so many helpful resources available.

The few times I did have to go to French restaurants I found that they were on the whole quite hostile and not at all welcoming to veg*ns, and so I mostly avoided them. On the other hand in the farmers markets it was quite easy to find truly excellent quality produce, which you could buy without having to tell anybody what your eating preferences were.

Since I was last in France I believe things have moved on quite a bit and more people are waking up. The UK still appears to be a lot more veg*n friendly, but the frogs are on the march, so I don't think Mr Green should have too many problems, even in the most remote and backward corners of France.

France develops taste for vegetarian cuisine

French turning away from meat towards vegetarianism

https://bonjourparis.com/food-and-drink/vegetarian-france/

How to Survive France As A Vegan

The 13 Worst Countries To Visit As A Vegan | HuffPost

 

[PaoloSanchez]

"Exposed as a vegan"? Oooookay.

There was a time when that would have sent a thread to the bin - or perhaps anyone playing that joker should be banned from a thread ?

It was probably another session of drunken numptiness. I have learned to mostly ignore his nonsensical rubbish. Not a good enough reason to throw the whole thread away in the bin, although I think that's what may of the antagonists would love to see.

 

[PaoloSanchez]

Any diet requiring you take to tablets/drops/supplements is - pretty much by definition - awful.

I'll stick with a normal, healthy, balanced variety of food thanks.

What some of the most strident meatheads don't seem to realise is that the only reason that most of them get their B12 is because the animals that they feed on need B12 injections. Now isn't that "awful", lol. B12 comes from bacteria and because modern life means that nearly all food, water gets cleaned and anti-bacteria treatment, B12 deficiency has become more of an issue and supplementation recommended, even among the non-obligate "omnivores".