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Do angry vegans turn you against going vegan?

Ooh look. Some pesky, stereotype crushing facts

More than a quarter of all evening meals in the UK are vegan or vegetarian, research shows.

In the 12 weeks to the end of January, 29% of them contained no meat or fish, according to Kantar Worldpanel.

Trends like Veganuary (going vegan for January) and "sustained interest" in meat-free diets are affecting habits, the market researcher said.

Meanwhile, Yorkshire-based meat substitute company Quorn Foods saw global sales rise by 16% last year.

The research - collected from a consumer panel of 30,000 households - reflects a year-on-year move to more vegetarian meals (26.9% of evening meals were vegetarian in 2014 and 27.8% in 2016).

Through January, one in 10 shoppers bought a meat-free ready meal, boosting sales by 15% compared to this time last year.

Sales of vegetables, such as spinach and aubergine, are also up 43% and 23% respectively, compared to the last 12 months.
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'One in four' UK dinners is vegetarian
 
I thought Joey did well...



I thought the discussion about the alleged offensive use of the words murder, rape and slavery was interesting, and I agree with Joey that they're playing word games rather than directly addressing the issue.



This Morning's edited version with the wonderfully balanced title... "Hardcore Vegan on His Militant Views Against Dairy Farmers"


 
But...It's Expensive To Be Vegan, Isn't It? - Vegan Coach

"There are a LOT of excuses people use for not being 100% plant-based. Though none of them are valid (unless you are a lion or tiger, or you really DO live on some barren desert island where no plants grow!), I understand where lots of them come from and can feel compassion for people who, for example, truly believe they need milk for strong bones. We are fed so much erroneous information by so many seemingly authoritative parties; it can be difficult to find the truth.

As far as veganism being expensive goes? This belief I find harder to understand. You only have to be a frequent supermarket shopper (and quite frankly, who isn't?) to see that this is not the case. In fact, it can be exactly the opposite."

"Trust me – while I absolutely feel abundant, my resources are currently limited (did you see how I tried to make my point with a positive spin there? Haha). What I'm saying is, if being vegan wasn't an economical way to eat, I definitely couldn't sustain it.

The truth is, unless you are buying coconut milk ice cream and kale chips every day, you will more likely than not SAVE money as a vegan."
 
Just as we now judge much of the behaviour of our ancestors to be racist or unfair in many other ways, no doubt in future our current society will be looked upon as barbaric due to our horrific treatment of animals both in the way they are slaughtered and in the cruel way that we farm them.
 
editor said:
Ooh look. Some pesky, stereotype crushing facts



'One in four' UK dinners is vegetarian
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Which stereotypes are being crushed here? I don't think it's news that even meat eaters eat vegetarian meals sometimes?

Anyway, a couple of quotes from the research people, the first one to tease the vegans, the second one from the link you gave.

kantar worldpanel said:
Data from Kantar Worldpanel also finds that those most likely to be shopping [dairy free alternatives] are younger and more affluent than the average Dairy shopper, with a high proportion of spend on the market coming from those in the capital (1). There is also a female bias, with women accounting for 61% of consumption (2). Whilst the more premium prices may be attracting this demographic of shopper, it could also be argued that growth is merely the result of a fashionable trend amongst this group. This suggests it is something that could become more and more mainstream.

More vegans?

A survey conducted this week by Lightspeed suggests that just 1% of people identify as ‘vegan’, but 24% selected ‘other’ despite options including ‘non-vegetarian’ and ‘lacto-ovo-vegetarian’ (which was a more popular choice than veganism, at 2%).
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kantar worldpanel said:
But as ever, when looking across the whole population, no one story fits all, and the rise of vegan and vegetarian diets does not necessarily mean consumers are moving away from meat overall.

In fact, fresh meat and poultry had a strong year in 2017, with the volume sold growing faster than can be explained by population growth (1.8% vs c1%).

Nathan Ward, business unit director for meat, fish and poultry, argues therefore that talk of us abandoning meat altogether is premature: “One dynamic we’re seeing is that shoppers are trying to find ways to cope with rising prices and falling promotions. A jacket potato and beans might be an easy (and vegetarian) midweek dinner, but consumers may also be motivated by other factors such as saving money.”
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Not sure if it's Veganuary-related but there were some massive discounts on Quorn products at the supermarket last night.

It occurred to me that maybe a lot of veggies have been eschewing the Quorn for a month, leading to a bit of a glut.
 
PaoloSanchez said:
The term "dicking around" means making a food choice that is cruelty free and healthier for the planet and it's people. Some misguided folk appear to believe that this "pastime" is only for the well to do.
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You can eat vegan on a tight budget obv, but I don't think they (you?) are the people whose coin is driving the recent Big Food and media interest.
 
PaoloSanchez said:
lol, not a great article tbh. The devil is in the detail, and there was a distinct lack of it.
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Yeah, not the best detail. But the general rule that you're likely to end up spending more seems to be accepted on vegan forums, and on one Veganuary-related link one of the advice points was to be prepared to end up spending more (for various reasons).
 
8ball said:
Yeah, not the best detail. But the general rule that you're likely to end up spending more seems to be accepted on vegan forums, and on one Veganuary-related link one of the advice points was to be prepared to end up spending more (for various reasons).
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Noobs starting out trying to make straight substitutions for their meat and dairy favourites are more likely be be buying more expensive processed/ready made meals, so yes, that sort of food will cost more.

As with all important areas in life, it pays to get clued up and do at least a bit of due diligence in order to get the best value for money and not get conned. Once people find their feet and have a bit more experience and knowledge, they will EASILY be able to spend the same or less than they would have been when they were consuming dead animals.
 
PaoloSanchez said:
I thought Joey did well...



I thought the discussion about the alleged offensive use of the words murder, rape and slavery was interesting, and I agree with Joey that they're playing word games rather than directly addressing the issue.



This Morning's edited version with the wonderfully balanced title... "Hardcore Vegan on His Militant Views Against Dairy Farmers"


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What an over emotional loon. Probably cares more about animals than people. Those words don't apply to animals.
 
8ball said:
Yeah, not the best detail. But the general rule that you're likely to end up spending more seems to be accepted on vegan forums, and on one Veganuary-related link one of the advice points was to be prepared to end up spending more (for various reasons).
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why is meat and the lives of animals so cheap?
 
PaoloSanchez said:
Noobs starting out trying to make straight substitutions for their meat and dairy favourites are more likely be be buying more expensive processed/ready made meals, so yes, that sort of food will cost more.
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Yeah, that will happen during that switching over phase. Some of the extra cost was also attributed on some blog posts I saw to people becoming more aware of farming practises etc. and being more likely to choose organic etc. Plus finding enthusiasms for some of the rarer ingredients.

Comparing like with like seems difficult in this area.
 
dylanredefined said:
Demand and modern farming technology.
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That answers the 'meat' part.
The "lives of animals" obviously having no monetary value.

Edit: actually technically a negative monetary value in that you have to pay a slaughterer to convert the live animal into a dead one. Making the dead one a higher-value item. Conflating moral with economic value is seldom a good idea.
 
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8ball said:
That answers the 'meat' part.
The "lives of animals" obviously having no monetary value.
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Quite, so the question is meaningless.

If he meant why are we so prepared to kill and eat animals, it’s because most normal people consider them to be far less important than humans and are therefore willing to exploit them to varying degrees.
 
Spymaster said:
Quite, so the question is meaningless.

If he meant why are we so prepared to kill and eat animals, it’s because most normal people consider them to be far less important than humans and are therefore willing to exploit them to varying degrees.
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I don’t think the sentence was meant to mean anything in a conventional semantic sense; I’m sure ddraig knows the answer that you’ve just given.
 
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dylanredefined said:
What an over emotional loon. Probably cares more about animals than people. Those words don't apply to animals.
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Actually he's a pretty sound passionate dude, and given the "tabloid telly" situation, I thought he acquitted himself well and got his points across a lot better than the farmer couple who were rather poor imo. Dairy farmers were also portrayed as the victims due to abusive online comments attributed to "militant vegans", which is currently how the media in, particular the BBC, love to frame vegans. Unfortunately dodgy comments on the internet is the sort of thing that happens when things go viral, you get dickheads making inappropriate comments, it's not a vegan thing, it's a dickhead thing. Joey could easily have also played the victim given that he has long since been on the receiving end hateful and threatening comments but doesn't make such a big deal out of it.

Examples of the sort of things that psycho hater loons post...

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I doubt if the BBC would attribute those sorts of nasty comments to "militant meat eaters".
 
AnnaKarpik said:
Why don't you use your internet to look up, I dunno, try "healthiest diet", "super-foods", "which foods should I avoid".
You'll find a thousand and one ways to dick around with your diet.
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So when i chose at the age of ten to not eat flesh i guess i was just 'dicking around'.
Internet didnt exist back then. Thanks for your advice though it was enlightening.
 
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