Did Rumsfield and Chums want and allow 9/11 to happen? The Poll!

[editor]

btw you have a funny defintion of un provoked...

Oh really? Kindly show me where you were directly 'provoked' by me prior to you steaming into this thread yesterday.

Looking forward to it...

 

[editor]

a troll will troll a troll no?

Are you saying I'm a troll, garf? On my own boards?

Really?

Back it up with hard facts.

Now, please.

Oh, and could you quantify and clarify your claims about my "little gang" please.

A list of names and some proof will suffice.

Thankyou.

 

[fela fan]

I see this 911 thread has gone the same way all the others did.

I wonder why that is.

I guess it looks like it's simply not worth having these threads. The prime event of our times, the most influential event on the world's peoples' lives for decades; and yet the least talked about event in the mainstream media, and the event that causes palpitations here on our very own urban debating board.

Something has gone wrong in these times of spin, image, sound bites, and all pervasive attempts to restrict the people's thinking on issues of importance to a narrow view. Speak out against prevailing opinion, stand up for fair debate, and just watch the attacks on the speaker.

I find it interesting, yet frustrating, to see how urban is unable to hold discussions on this event without the threads disintegrating into rhetorical ping pong, usually followed by a binning.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Are you saying I'm a troll, garf? On my own boards?

Really?

Back it up with hard facts.

Now, please.

Oh, and could you quantify and clarify your claims about my "little gang" please.

A list of names and some proof will suffice.

Thankyou.

are you threatening me?

 

[editor]

are you threatening me?

Oh dear. Who's a paranoid chap, then?

Actually, I'm simply asking you to clarify your own comments about 'trolling' and to name these people who are supposedly in my "little gang".

Kindly do so.

Thanks awfully.

Oh, and could you clarify what you meant by my "funny defintion of unprovoked", please?

 

[editor]

I find it interesting, yet frustrating, to see how urban is unable to hold discussions on this event without the threads disintegrating into rhetorical ping pong, usually followed by a binning.

Naturally, you don't feel that your fact-untroubled, patronising contributions have played any part whatsoever in the downfall of such threads?

 

[Jo/Joe]

and it's hardly the least talked about event ever is it? it's just that the case for USG involvment is too feeble.

 

[fela fan]

Naturally, you don't feel that your fact-untroubled, patronising contributions have played any part whatsoever in the downfall of such threads?

Correct, i don't feel that way.

Nor do i agree with your description of my posts on the topic.

 

[fela fan]

and it's hardly the least talked about event ever is it? it's just that the case for USG involvment is too feeble.

Well, what do they talk about then?

In the part of the world i inhabit, the topic is popular, and indeed centres on the USG involvement, or otherwise, of the events that day. And the debaters are from a range of nationalities, including americans who definitely see their government as being complicit to some degree.

Others laugh at my belief they were involved (nearly always fellow british people). But the debate and discussion moves on in cordial fashion, and usually ends in agreeing to disagree.

As for the mainstream press not investigating the events, that is scandolous. Is there no such thing as responsibility any more? Do we simply let Bush and other concerned leaders of security and military off for their gross incompetence that day?

Hush job?

 

[editor]

Correct, i don't feel that way.

Nor do i agree with your description of my posts on the topic.

Strange that, because several people in the past have said the same about you.

Why is that, do you think?

 

[editor]

But the debate and discussion moves on in cordial fashion, and usually ends in agreeing to disagree.

But that doesn't happen here. Instead of 'agreeing to disagree', certain individuals just keep on repeating themselves again and again and again. And again.

If it was a real life situation, you'd be sitting on an empty room because everyone else would have moved on to something more interesting.

Talking of deserted rooms, I wonder when sparticus's next 9/11 screening is coming up?

 

[fela fan]

Strange that, because several people in the past have said the same about you.

Why is that, do you think?

Why? Because they agree with each other, surely!! Rocket science eh!

But also several others have said nothing like that about me. I guess that is what life is.

But really, it matters not one jot what anyone thinks about me or individual posters, or rather, it shouldn't. It's the message that counts. And people's messages get buried under the avalanche of character jibes on these threads.

 

[fela fan]

But that doesn't happen here. Instead of 'agreeing to disagree', certain individuals just keep on repeating themselves again and again and again. And again.

If it was a real life situation, you'd be sitting on an empty room because everyone else would have moved on to something more interesting.

You're correct there, certain individuals most certainly keep repeating themselves.

In real life, when talking about 911, i have yet to empty a room .

 

[editor]

In real life, when talking about 911, i have yet to empty a room

I'd like to think that you - like DrJazzz - are nowhere near as dull, tedious and repetitive in real life as you are on the boards.

I wouldn't hold out much hope for bigfish, though.

 

[fubert]

while i don't subscribe to any of the holographic plane/missile launchers/miniature nuclear device/remote control/mike yarwood theories i am increasly starting to believe that the usg knew something big was going to happen and did nothing to stop it.

...i'm clearly at top of the conspiracy theorists slippery slope, and it's all my mums fault...

 

[fela fan]

I'd like to think that you - like DrJazzz - are nowhere near as dull, tedious and repetitive in real life as you are on the boards.

I can confirm that in real life i'm not. But i hadn't actually thought i was on urban. I know some think i am, but then others don't: variety and spice that go to making up the human population eh.

Furthermore, I'm sure you don't really think this, because you often interact with me on urban, and surely you'd not do that were i tedious and repetitive...

 

[fela fan]

while i don't subscribe to any of the holographic plane/missile launchers/miniature nuclear device/remote control/mike yarwood theories i am increasly starting to believe that the usg knew something big was going to happen and did nothing to stop it.

Nor do i, nor have i ever, subscribed to such things either fubert.

But i'm interested to know why you are starting to believe the USG had some kind of involvement.

It wouldn't be due to some of the meticulous research that some posters have inputted to these threads, or the persuasive arguments being touted ?

You see, i'm sure many posters think along your lines, but remain silent for understandable reasons.

In the middle of these threads interesting stuff can always be found. Just like in newspapers... you just have to find it amongst all the verbiage.

 

[fubert]

But i'm interested to know why you are starting to believe the USG had some kind of involvement.

basicly because the current administration are a bunch of cunts who are only interested in lining their own pockets. i think i was pushed over the edge when i found out that rumsfeld was the head of abb when they sold nuclear technology to north korea. the same technology the administration are now worrying everyone about.

 

[fela fan]

basicly because the current administration are a bunch of cunts who are only interested in lining their own pockets. i think i was pushed over the edge when i found out that rumsfeld was the head of abb when they sold nuclear technology to north korea. the same technology the administration are now worrying everyone about.

That's their tried and trusted method: create the seeds of conflict, then move in to apparently remove it, simultaneously feeding their greed for power and dollars.

No war, no power; no unhappy people, no chance of abusing that power. A content population, no jobs for the politicos.

Thatcher demonstrated the art of leadership in quite clear terms: divide and rule.

This current administration are no different to the previous ones in essence. What they have done differently is to up the level of arrogance in pursuing their ends, and have quite clearly said fuck off to the world, we're gonna do what we want to do. They seem to have bought off the media, who are pathetically not doing the job required of them in a functioning democracy.

It is essential that as many people as possible realise what's going on. That can begin with demanding the mainstream media start to fully investigate, by themselves, 911.

Their silence just contributes to the ability for bush or blair to continute to fuck us all over.

 

[Loki]

As for the mainstream press not investigating the events, that is scandolous. Is there no such thing as responsibility any more? Do we simply let Bush and other concerned leaders of security and military off for their gross incompetence that day?

Hush job?

Are you suggesting every single mainstream news organisation, even those of countries who despise Bush is taking pay or something from the USG to keep quiet? China? Aljazeera?

Perhaps they're not reporting it because they don't think the "evidence" adds up.

 

[fubert]

lets look at the media then. colin powell has a vast investment in aol/time warner. when they merged it was pushed through by the fcc. colin powells son, michael was made head of the fcc when the bush administration was formed and pushed the merger through.

 

[Loki]

China? Aljazeera? The Russians? Indonesia? Jordan? They'd love to see Bush kicked out.

So how come they've not bothered to report this "conspiracy theory"?

 

[fubert]

China? Aljazeera? The Russians? Indonesia? Jordan? They'd love to see Bush kicked out.

the media in those countries have no direct access to the media in the us. the us media receives reports and chooses what to show and what not to show.

if you watch the news in the usa you'll see there's next to nothing in the form of reports from abroad.

...and with regard to a 'conspiracy', there isn't one. i think the administration knew something was coming, just grossly underestimated al-qaeda. which is laughable considering who trained some of al-qaeda's members.

 

[Loki]

the media in those countries have no direct access to the media in the us. the us media receives reports and chooses what to show and what not to show.

Yes but the point is none of the news organisations / countries I mentioned has chosen to report on this "conspiracy theory" even though they would love to see the end of Bush. If they had, we'd know about it by now. Could it be because they don't think the "evidence" adds up? I think so.

 

[Lock&Light]

...and with regard to a 'conspiracy', there isn't one. i think the administration knew something was coming, just grossly underestimated al-qaeda.

This is precisely what most of us have thought, right from the beginning.

 

[fubert]

Yes but the point is none of the news organisations / countries I mentioned has chosen to report on this "conspiracy theory" even though they would love to see the end of Bush. If they had, we'd know about it by now. Could it be because they don't think the "evidence" adds up? I think so.

how would we know about it if our media was being controlled over what could be reported over 911 ?

and the majority of the evidence relating to the events on 911 has come directly from the whitehouse.

 

[editor]

how would we know about it if our media was being controlled over what could be reported over 911 ?

and the majority of the evidence relating to the events on 911 has come directly from the whitehouse.

Do you really think it would be possible to silence the entire UK media - radio, TV, newspapers, online, freelancers, investigative journalists, authors - and no-one say a thing?!!

Conspiracy websites seem to have no end of curiously anonymous 'experts' and untraceable whistle blowers willing to 'reveal the truth' about 9/11.

So how come all the tens of thousands of journalists and reporters involved in global media industry have stayed completely silent about what would be the story of the century?

 

[editor]

This is precisely what most of us have thought, right from the beginning.

Yep. That's the most likely scenario for me too.

 

[fubert]

Do you really think it would be possible to silence the entire UK media - radio, TV, newspapers, online, freelancers, investigative journalists, authors - and no-one say a thing?!!

if they received any information of course not. however, as i have said there has been no information about 911 released from sources other than the official sources in the us.

and for the record, again, i don't think the usg had anything to do with it. their intelligence just under-estimated what was going to happen.

 

[editor]

if they received any information of course not. however, as i have said there has been no information about 911 released from sources other than the official sources in the us.

Yes, but most of the bonkers conspiracy claims have been made on evidence that is widely available to everyone (the video 'proof' of pod carrying, missile firing, holographic pretend planes hitting the WTC towers, pretend passenger aircraft-missiles hitting the Pentagon, 'controlled demolition' of WTC towers etc etc zzzzzz)