Describe your politics!

[TheDave]

To be honest I'd be consider myself social liberal on personal freedoms and rights but more a green socialist on economic/environmental issues. I voted green in the EU elections.

 

[smokedout]

It's good, because it's like C but not too much like C.

its virtually the musical opposite of C actually

(in a way)

 

[Stoat Boy]

I ticked right wing but very much of the libertarian pov.

And sorry if this has been asked but what is 'Pro-working class independence' ?

 

[danny la rouge]

its virtually the musical opposite of C actually

(in a way)

It's relatively similar. Relatively.

 

[Rod Sleeves]

I ticked right wing but very much of the libertarian pov.

And sorry if this has been asked but what is 'Pro-working class independence' ?

On the first page I defined it as;

To me that means to me that; I believe that we need to organise ourselves as a class in order to assert more control over our lives, that we need to be aiming to take over our workplaces and communities and run things in our own interest. This would of course lead to radical social change, but what exact form any new society would take or how we can get to that stage (other than self organisation) I don't know for sure. In practical terms it means that at the moment I support the creation of rooted and relevant militant and democratic unionism, and community solidarity and residents groups and argue for linking them together in federations at some point.

Several others who voted the same way, indicated agreement with this definition, others may not.

 

[Nigel]

What does leftwing mean to you though? How do you define it? In what way are you left wing?

I would consider myself socialist but not necessarily left wing, although influenced a lot by left politics, ideas & writing!

Traditionally left wing would have found its derritive in post Hegelian philosophers: with left Young Hegellians and/or French Revolution.

I would not describe myself as left wing because in contemporary terms it is associated with New Left, Liberalism and more to the point the Heinz 57 of fanatical and arrogant sects with little knowledge or understanding of the people they are so concerned with emancipating!

 

[tar1984]

Left wing
- vague label.

Right wing
- twats.

Liberal
- wealthy people who want to rob you, but ask you politely for your money.

Socialist
- a socialist.

Communist
- wrong when with an upper case C.

Anarchist
- Sensible people.

Pro-working class independence
- Correct people.

Green
- People who are right about the environment but haven't noticed class.

Racial nationalist
- idiots.

Civic nationalist
- tartan Tories.

Libertarian
- anarchists.


hth

See, I know all that, but that doesn't really count as going into any depth. I feel like I'd need to properly understand the mechanics of all the different positions before I could really commit to one, ifkwim. I've read/studied marxism, and I've read quite a lot of anarchist literature - I'm quite drawn to those ideas.

When I was about 16/17 I would've called myself a nationalist, then at about 19/20 I was a socialist. Now I'd call myself an anarchist.

Aren't the SNP (civic nationalist) meant to be kind of left wing though? Compared to Nu labour/tories?

 

[smokedout]

It's relatively similar. Relatively.

but in musical terms it takes a completely different position

now Em is a third positionist platform, althounh Em arguably is closer to Am7 in terms of practical solutions

personally im a Dm7b5tionist

its a jazz thing

 

[tar1984]

its virtually the musical opposite of C actually

(in a way)

It's relatively similar. Relatively.

When you play it as an open chord it has a lot of the same notes as C, but since it's a minor and a 7th it sounds nothing like one.

 

[danny la rouge]

but in musical terms it takes a completely different position

You must always play an A minor scale over both.

 

[embree]

Pro working class anarcho-communist with a very green slant.

Haven't voted btw

 

[tar1984]

Excuse my ignorance here, but can't you play the C major scale over C?

 

[smokedout]

When you play it as an open chord it has a lot of the same notes as C, but since it's a minor and a 7th it sounds nothing like one.

Am7 and C agree on many of the big political ideals (except the controversial minor seventh which led to the split)

however in terms of both strategy and tactics they have very different ideas on how to get there

C is more your liberal NVDA, paper selling traditionalist and has even considered the formation of a vanguardist party to fight an electoral front

Am7 is rarely seen without a petrol bomb in their hands

 

[danny la rouge]

Excuse my ignorance here, but can't you play the C major scale over C?

You can, but you don't.

 

[smokedout]

Excuse my ignorance here, but can't you play the C major scale over C?

yes Dannys misunderstood the fundamental optimism of the C Major position and in attempting to inflict Am on top of it is obviously attempting an entryist strategy

in fact playing Am over Am is a relatively traditional approach - its when you play Am over A that you really start to fuck shit up

 

[trevhagl]

OK so I know these polls are semi regular on U75, but there hasn't been one for a while, and people and groups change over time.

Vote according to how you define your political labels - then if you want explain in a post, I'm interested in how people identify their own views - not how others define you. Of course it's not perfect, as I have defined the poll questions, but tough luck!

Poll to follow.

ETA: The poll is private, remember all definitions are yours! If you're a libertarian communist you decide whether you vote libertarian, communist or whatever.

individual!! Fighting against cunts but not adhering to any particular philosophy.

 

[danny la rouge]

yes Dannys misunderstood the fundamental optimism of the C Major position and in attempting to inflict Am on top of it is obviously attempting an entryist strategy

in fact playing Am over Am is a relatively traditional approach - its when you play Am over A that you really start to fuck shit up

Oh, puleaze, the blue note is hardly the new thing, is it? It's not even a flattened 5th.

 

[smokedout]

Wot? No multi poll options? Green Left with anarchist sympathies.

its ok i checked, we dont want you

 

[smokedout]

Oh, puleaze, the blue note is hardly the new thing, is it? It's not even a flattened 5th.

you obviously missed the meeting where it was agreed (by consensus) that the flat fifth is now the blue note

 

[smokedout]

the anarcists arent winning any more

its like kronstadt all fucking over again

 

[danny la rouge]

you obviously missed the meeting where it was agreed (by consensus) that the flat fifth is now the blue note

In 1947. rolleyes

Since 1959, opposing the tyranny of chords has been the blue note.

 

[ViolentPanda]

the anarchists are winning!!!

which are probably words that have never been uttered honestly in history at any time before

except perhaps in ukraine and that went tits up

At least we tried.

 

[danny la rouge]

At least we tried.

Or for those still following the derail, at least we triad. See? See what I did?

 

[Fruitloop]

I blame Rousseau.

 

[danny la rouge]

I blame Rousseau.

I blame Debussy.

 

[tar1984]

You can, but you don't.

I do.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Or for those still following the derail, at least we triad. See? See what I did?

Yes.
Unfortunately I did see what you did.

 

[danny la rouge]

Yes.
Unfortunately I did see what you did.

Thing is, I'm sort of glad, too.

 

[cesare]

the anarcists arent winning any more

its like kronstadt all fucking over again

 

[danny la rouge]

I do.

That's no kind of blues I ever heard.