Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
Some clinicians. Some of the most vociferous legalisers are clinicians specialising in substance misuse.
Denormalisation of alcohol
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Some clinicians. Some of the most vociferous legalisers are clinicians specialising in substance misuse.
Maurice Picarda
Actually, might as well flounce.
You work in the field. Would it help your case load - if only marginally - if alcohol was more difficult and less exciting to buy, and was less socially acceptable?
Chilli.s
mingling jets and statuettes
Alcohol doesn't need advertising, it will sell anyway... just like drugs. Banning advertising just stops the gullible, and society as a whole, from the false impression that there are no consequences and its all fun and games.
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
I'm not sure what you mean by "less exciting to buy".
Very much that.
And that.
Like most people I'm utterly opposed to minimum pricing -- mostly on the grounds that it wouldn't bloody work -- those determined to drink will drink whether you're buying at 30p a can or 90p in the offy or supermarket.
Would a minumum pricing policy increase prices in Wetherspoons? As far as I (unreliably) recall, when the coalition were (supposedly) looking into minimum price rates, those suggested were below Spoons prices.
The pubs people go to when they're fairly skint ....
Maurice Picarda
Actually, might as well flounce.
Sold in plain packaging, so the choice of product is not reinforced by branding and advertising. Purchasing the product no longer allows the consumer to buy into a culture or lifestyle.
Education and awareness :
In the zone of our own expertise/experience (ales and beers of genuine quality) we'd be delighted to offer a practical and inexpensive course in :
a. Value for money (crudely known in some cases as 'bang for buck'
)
b. Quality and variety of taste
c. Quality and variety of licensed premise environment.
No problem. We aim to please
In the zone of our own expertise/experience (ales and beers of genuine quality) we'd be delighted to offer a practical and inexpensive course in :
a. Value for money (crudely known in some cases as 'bang for buck'
)b. Quality and variety of taste
c. Quality and variety of licensed premise environment.
No problem. We aim to please
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
What rot. Ganja is sold in plain packaging, but there's still a culture around it's consumption. More than one, in fact.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
my man gives me little baggies with a stylised ganja leaf though. Thats not why I shop with him though
Cant see how this would work: Theres many more differentials between different drinks (eg, different breweries various beers) than just brand and packaging.
Also, how the hell would you 'plain package' a beer pump in a pub?
(I don't mean 'how literally would you do it?', just : 'how the hell would that work'?)
(I don't mean 'how literally would you do it?', just : 'how the hell would that work'?)
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
I suppose you could have a plaintext label with the brewery/beverage written on it, but wouldn't that in itself be a form of branding? Just one without fancy writing or logos.
Maurice Picarda
Actually, might as well flounce.
Oh, I don't know. I gather from market research folk that spirits drinkers - even ones with strong stated brand preferences - usually can't tell the difference in blind tastings. It really is a case of drinking the packaging.
The pissheads will argue this point, because they believe that they are connoiseurs, rather than fetishists.
'brown ale' scrawled on a piece of cardboard attached to the pump, presumably. So not so different to now in many cases...
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
You'd need to cover up the beard of the server. Big untamed beard - real ale. Overly shaped beard - craft beer. None of that in Maurice's new branding free world.
weltweit
Well-Known Member
No way should there be artificially escalated prices.
I am already fed up with that for fags. Not only are they bad for me but the prices make me bankrupt!
Enough of the government taxing way more than needed!
Yes a reduction in the amount of alcohol in the blood for drivers.
Possibly a reduction in advertising.
I am already fed up with that for fags. Not only are they bad for me but the prices make me bankrupt!
Enough of the government taxing way more than needed!
Yes a reduction in the amount of alcohol in the blood for drivers.
Possibly a reduction in advertising.
You've got to be trolling.
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
Also, I assume that with plain alcohol packaging there would still be the alcohol content written on. But without fonts or logos or other decorations that information is bound to stand out more, unintentionally emphasising alcohol content. Is that really what people like Maurice Picarda want?
Maurice Picarda
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It's not very useful branding if you can't advertise, sponsor or communicate with the consumer.
Maurice Picarda
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It will look insignificant by comparison to the graphic health warnings.
Most wines are in essence already unbranded because wines are sold by region and grape rather then brand. Doesn't seem to make any difference.
Maurice Picarda
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I was surprised and annoyed the first time I heard it, too. I'm sorry that the thread is causing you such anguish.
I personally volunteer to be the graphic health warning against ale and beer, if you like
Maurice Picarda
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Yeah, good point. Obviously, appellations are very powerful brands indeed, but I'm not sure how they could be undermined.
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
Because there is no such thing as word-of-mouth and reputations upon which named beverages and breweries can distinguish themselves.
Oh, marvellous!
More patronising finger-waving nonsense.
Maurice Picarda
Actually, might as well flounce.
There isn't if you make PR activity too legally onerous to be worth it for the agencies.
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
So you think drinkers themselves have no agency? No tastes or preferences which could be communicated via sales?
Maurice Picarda
Actually, might as well flounce.
I think that their individual agency is probably overstated. But I'm concerned with practical things that can be done with legislation and regulation, and as long as those have some impact, they are worthwhile.
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