it's really patronising to keep having things from the media saying THESE PEOPLE AGREE because it's all meaningless, I haven't bothered to read any of them
Decriminalisation of the sex industry - Corbyn says yes, what thinks urban?
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it's really patronising to keep having things from the media saying THESE PEOPLE AGREE because it's all meaningless, I haven't bothered to read any of them
at least I know who I am, m8 Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
Why patronising? Perhaps some people in sex work have a different opinion on the issues under discussion than you do?
cus it's only a couple of really fluffy rose tinted people or a very small sample size as has already been pointed out, no one on the street is gonna do a survey saying they are happy about it, why would you be when the risks are so high and all you need is a phone and data connection to book safer work, women are not stupid.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
I don't reckon much - if anything - would happen under a Labour govt (Corbyn's or anyone else's) either. Taking care of vulnerable people is expensive, and a lot of very stupid people - people who don't realise how easily and how quickly a person can become vulnerable - resent money being spent that way. Corbyn might want to do socially-worthwhile stuff, but too many of the members of the Parliamentary Labour Party are cunts who'll follow the media's prejudices.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Very poor logic.
Many women in the sort of reduced circumstances that might lead them to consider (among many other reasons) working in the sex industry, don't steal/shoplift. That the majority do not steal, does not signify that "not stealing" is an option open to all. At most it signifies that fear of punishment is greater than desire for the "reward". Your mithering above attributes a degree of agency to all parties that doesn't actually exist "in real life".
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
This is traditionally where someone steps in and says "your mum is a categorical imperative".
Just saying!
Reno
The In Kraut
Maybe not much would happen to give more support to the vulnerable but I doubt a Labour government would carry out the same type of relent less attack on the poor and the vulnerable as the current government is in the process of. Every time a Tory government comes round I'm stunned by the mixture of stupidity and malice in action. Things can always get far worse and we are seeing it now.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Idiotic.
No two people are ever in "the same" - i.e. identical - circumstances. Your proposition rests on the false assumption that all the life-events of the two people balance out equally in terms of influencing choices made. That just doesn't happen.
goldenecitrone
post tenebras lux
It means 'go have a doughnut'.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
I'm fairly open-minded about what Corbyn might achieve over two elections as Prime Minister - social democracy might see the retrenching of social values towards the exploited rather than the exploiters - but I'm not sanguine that the over-ambitious thoroughgoing neoliberal gitbag tendency of the PLP will let him get that far, and those neoliberal gitbags (the likes of Umunna and Jarvis especially) will merely follow the Blairite prescriptions and proscriptions with regard to the economy and its consequences - the shit sandwich garnished, rather than served plain.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Scary, because it would turn a load of two-bob cunts who fantasise about it, into actual practitioners if they no longer had even the (currently) minimal fear of getting nicked.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Positions needn't be "unique".
Your sweepingly-generalising and essentialising statement regarding choice flies in the face of all academic research about identity-formation and how personal experiences shape how we view choices, and how we make them.
My twin g-dsons have been brought up together as closely as two humans can be, yet each has had experiences that the other has not, and each has evolved into a separate entity, with divergent identities, and with differing politics, differing religious views and different moralities.
Please up your game beyond what reads uncannily like "if I've never heard of something, it can't exist".
I dont think it will either, but it's gotta be marginally better in any case, I don't for a second believe labour is gonna save anything all the options are useless shits
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
Why would that be an insult? Eating donuts is nice
what is this? it's 2016 you know, no one HAS to do this.
keybored
Well done. You remember cat good.
This. I'd be surprised if much "street" prostitution still goes on, is there even any need for it?
Gromit
International Man of Misery
I'm surprised that much prostitution at all goes on. If TV is to be believes Tinder and Grindr etc. have put casual sex on tap for everyone.
keybored
Well done. You remember cat good.
You probably believe those "36 single women in your area want sex now!" pop-ups.
Gromit
International Man of Misery
Well duh! obviously they exaggerate it. Half it. 18 do.
it's as if some people think women wake up one day and think oh I know what will be a bit of a laugh - putting myself at a high risk of assault on a street corner and have sex with anonymous untraceable punters - it's almost like women don't give a fuck about their own safety at all
Course it does. How can you think it doesn't? Massage palours aren't a new thing. And yet there still streets with prostitutes soliciting. Decriminalisation doesn't do anything to address the plite of those working on the street. As has been said
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Gromit
International Man of Misery
There are streets in Cardiff known for it. Even my former 64 year female boss knew which streets.
She surprised me by correcting me once when i said how ironic it was that the street walkers hung out by Techinquest and she told me that nah they'd been moved on from there years ago and were now at (some place in the Riverside area).
Don't doubt that there are similar famous streets in London and other major cities.
keybored
Well done. You remember cat good.
Because Information Technology. Things have changed, and I see no street workers in places where there were loads near where I lived 10-15 years ago. There are sites where sex is sold legally. Street prostitution is becoming outmoded.
which is why pimps desperately need the whole thing decriminalised so that they have a monopoly on girls and profits because they'll be able to utilise online advertising etc to their advantage and this will all be fiiiiine
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Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
Yes, because absolutely everyone has access to the internet. That was sarcasm by the way. I've seen street prostitution in the uk and other European countries.
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