David Icke: Was he right? C5 11pm (boxing day)

[blinky_bill]

I've not heard about any of that. I only see what they show on channel 4.

in my considered opinion, he developed the lizard stuff as camouflage for those he is really attacking: the Jews.

Thats exactly what I meant, I wasn't defending him. The lizard stuff is a smokescreen.

 

[editor]

I've not heard about any of that. I only see what they show on channel 4.

Here's a crazy idea.

Why not do some proper research into the guy's background before offering your opinions about what you think he really means?

 

[blinky_bill]

I never offered my opinions on what he really meant.
I offered my opinions on his motives for talking such obvious bollocks.

 

[editor]

I never offered my opinions on what he really meant.

Ahem -->

Maybe david ike just tacks all the lizard stuff on the end of his shows to keep himself out of the eye of the people he is really attacking

 

[blinky_bill]

Yes, he is clearly attacking someone but I don't know who.
Obviously it's 'the new world order' but what he means by that is anyones guess.
What do you think he means?

 

[Jazzz]

No. God this is tiresome, and it was refreshing that the documentary didn't even bother with the question. The 'elite' to which Icke alleges rules the world covertly is not 'the Jews' - they are simply a few elite families, which he alleges to be lizard. Yes, lizard. Most Jews are not 'elite', or indeed 'lizard', they are simply like everyone else.

People used to think that when Icke said 'lizard' he meant 'Jew', but this is simply a load of nonsense, and just about everyone who has bothered to listen to him knows it.

 

[academia]

I can't help feeling that the poor guy is mentally ill and needs some help.

 

[Blagsta]

No. God this is tiresome, and it was refreshing that the documentary didn't even bother with the question. The 'elite' to which Icke alleges rules the world covertly is not 'the Jews' - they are simply a few elite families, which he alleges to be lizard. Yes, lizard. Most Jews are not 'elite', or indeed 'lizard', they are simply like everyone else.

People used to think that when Icke said 'lizard' he meant 'Jew', but this is simply a load of nonsense, and just about everyone who has bothered to listen to him knows it.

Yes Jazzz, that's why Icke pushes The Protocols of the Elders of Zion as a genuine document. You do know what that is don't you?

 

[BEARBOT]

the fact that david icke draws such big audiences is SO frustrating.

the fact that the TRUE things he states about us/uk governments seeking to control their populations/take away our freedoms thru various legislations which are supposedly to "fight terroists" are then NEGATED by all his far out lizard madness...it really drives me batshit!

the speculations made my some posters that he is a "disinformation agent" or perhaps that he doesnt beleive all the material he presents himself and just comes out with far out crap to make a lot of cash seem possible..but IMHO its largely just his mental health issues coupled with a big ego that are fueling him.


i still really want to know why michael moore is such a bad guy raver drew,any websites/links you can point me in the direction of i will take a look at..im very interested, cheers!

 

[editor]

i still really want to know why michael moore is such a bad guy raver drew,any websites/links you can point me in the direction of i will take a look at..im very interested, cheers!

Yes, I'm still waiting to hear why "Michael Moore seriously kicks old Ickey's butt when it comes to being full of shit and double standards."

 

[Pavlik]

Really? So has he come up with anything as barking as declaring himself the Son of God or declaring the likes of Bill and Hilary Clinton, Queen Elizabeth, the Queen Mum, Bob Hope and Kris Kristofferson to be child-sacrificing, blood-drinking Satan-worshippers capable of changing their shape?

why is that any more barking than accepting them as you've been taught to believe they are?

 

[jugularvein]

why is that any more barking than accepting them as you've been taught to believe they are?

here, ladies and gentleman, is proof that it's pointless to continue

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

why is that any more barking than accepting them as you've been taught to believe they are?

As human beings you mean?

I can't imagine.

 

[editor]

why is that any more barking than accepting them as you've been taught to believe they are?

Good grief. You're as mad as he is.

What's "barking" about accepting Bob Hope as, err, Bob Hope?

 

[Pavlik]

Good grief. You're as mad as he is.

What's "barking" about accepting Bob Hope as, err, Bob Hope?

you tell me.
and what would count as 'solid credible proof' to back it up, in your opinion?
where do you draw the line between what you believe and what you don't?

 

[Blagsta]

 

[exosculate]

the fact that david icke draws such big audiences is SO frustrating.

the fact that the TRUE things he states about us/uk governments seeking to control their populations/take away our freedoms thru various legislations which are supposedly to "fight terroists" are then NEGATED by all his far out lizard madness...it really drives me batshit!

the speculations made my some posters that he is a "disinformation agent" or perhaps that he doesnt beleive all the material he presents himself and just comes out with far out crap to make a lot of cash seem possible..but IMHO its largely just his mental health issues coupled with a big ego that are fueling him.


i still really want to know why michael moore is such a bad guy raver drew,any websites/links you can point me in the direction of i will take a look at..im very interested, cheers!

Bearbot I think Icke is mentally ill, thats the plain truth of the matter.



The main reason people criticise Moore is twofold

1) He is very much at the liberal end of the left. i.e he believes in electoral change etc etc. Anyone left of that will not like it.

2) He does what Bill Hicks (someone else not universally liked on here) would describe as cornering the market for the protest dollar, which is becoming an increasing large market. i.e He profits from pain.

 

[editor]

you tell me.
and what would count as 'solid credible proof' to back it up, in your opinion?
where do you draw the line between what you believe and what you don't?

I've never seen any 'solid credible proof' to remotely suggest that Bob Hope was anything other than a regular human being with human parents, friends, family and a well documented non-alien life, so how about you show me the proof that he was, in fact, a child-sacrificing, blood-drinking Satan-worshipper capable of changing his shape?

 

[BEARBOT]

exo..thanks for those insights about michael moore..point 1 i can see the validity in to a degree..depending on an individuals political slant of course..

but to feel he is making the films/writing the books PURELY for cash is a bit cynical.but everyone is entitled to thier opinion on the man.(im not saying this is or isnt yr opinion cos you didnt really say).

im not moores biggest fan or anything...but he is, as far as i know SANE and crediable and he feels the bush family was involved in 9/11 and had prior knowledge..because i respect michael moore(to a degree)i think well.. it COULD be true,ill try to keep an open mind...

BUT when i look at conspiracy theorist stuff on the net..weather its about 9/11 or farther out stuff...it isnt crediable to me..david icke especially..his books/website is FULL of hearsay..

 

[Pavlik]

I've never seen any 'solid credible proof' to remotely suggest that Bob Hope was anything other than a regular human being with human parents, friends, family and a well documented non-alien life, so how about you show me the proof that he was, in fact, a child-sacrificing, blood-drinking Satan-worshipper capable of changing his shape?

I never said he was. I was just questioning how any of us determines what is real. Most people prefer to base their reality on what they've been taught because it feels all nice and safe to do that.

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

I never said he was. I was just questioning how any of us determines what is real. Most people prefer to base their reality on what they've been taught because it feels all nice and safe to do that.

Ah, the old one about questioning what you've been taught.

At some philosophical level it's probably true to argue that you can't be 100% sure that Bob Hope wasn't a lizard. At any other level it's ridiculous to argue that he was.

I used to know a few people who came out with that 'Ahhh, but how can you be sure?' line. It's not a very clever one, really.

 

[spanglechick]

I've never seen any 'solid credible proof' to remotely suggest that Bob Hope was anything other than a regular human being with human parents, friends, family and a well documented non-alien life, so how about you show me the proof that he was, in fact, a child-sacrificing, blood-drinking Satan-worshipper capable of changing his shape?

i dunno ed - he was from Eltham. Goodness knows they breed them a bit odd round there...

 

[editor]

I never said he was. I was just questioning how any of us determines what is real. Most people prefer to base their reality on what they've been taught because it feels all nice and safe to do that.

So if I told you Bob Hope was in fact a talking walnut wrapped up in a holographic human projection, you'd think that an equally likely proposition for fear of being accused of "basing your reality on what you've been taught because it feels all nice and safe to do that"?

 

[Blagsta]

I never said he was. I was just questioning how any of us determines what is real. Most people prefer to base their reality on what they've been taught because it feels all nice and safe to do that.

Are you on drugs? Or related to max_freakout?

 

[jbob]

Are you on drugs? Or related to max_freakout?

Probably both, but maybe read a bit of Baudrillard and misunderstood.

 

[Blagsta]

 

[mikeinworthing]

Michael Moore seriously kicks old Ickey's butt when it comes to being full of shit and double standards.

I’ve been following this thread, I wasn’t going to bother to post, because IMHO Icke is a total nutcase and frankly isn’t worth wasting time on.

But this comment from RaverDrew keeps coming back and hitting me in the face – how the fuck can anyone take Icke more seriously than Moore?

Come on Raver, explain yourself, please.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Good grief. You're as mad as he is.

What's "barking" about accepting Bob Hope as, err, Bob Hope?

Because he's evil incarnate, obviously.

You think all that charity work and golfing was him being a regular guy?

It was just a cover for his satan-worshipping, corpse-fucking, chicken-molesting, lizard-licking evilness, I tells ya!

 

[ViolentPanda]

i dunno ed - he was from Eltham. Goodness knows they breed them a bit odd round there...

You ain't wrong there!

 

[ViolentPanda]

So if I told you Bob Hope was in fact a talking walnut wrapped up in a holographic human projection, you'd think that an equally likely proposition for fear of being accused of "basing your reality on what you've been taught because it feels all nice and safe to do that"?

Dude, everybody knows that that was George Burns, not Bob Hope!