Curfew For Men

[Pickman's model]

No, the longer term solution is not education. Not on its own. The portrayal of women in mass culture has to change too Orang Utan

 

[Pickman's model]

What about collars with bells on?

 

[BlanketAddict]

Getting dangerously close to that right wing notion that being horrible is human nature and nothing can be done to change it

Right wing? Hahaha! That's raised a chuckle.
Humans can be murderous beasts, and having the opinion that it will probably always be a part of life, and recognising that make me right wing?!

That's farcical.

 

[teuchter]

Share your definition as a starting point

Definition for what purposes?

 

[BlanketAddict]

It’s a thought experiment ffs

Agreed. A daft one.

 

[Orang Utan]

No, the longer term solution is not education. Not on its own. The portrayal of women in mass culture has to change to Orang Utan

Correct. Hence what I also said about changing the culture. A lot needs to change

 

[Orang Utan]

Agreed. A daft one.

Not if it gets us talking

 

[Pickman's model]

Definition for what purposes?

Look, if you don't have such a definition then pipe down and we'll forget all about it. But go on, share your definition of men for the purposes of this thread.

 

[Orang Utan]

Definition for what purposes?

Stop

 

[Orang Utan]

Right wing? Hahaha! That's raised a chuckle.
Humans can be murderous beasts, and having the opinion that it will probably always be a part of life, and recognising that make me right wing?!

That's farcical.

It usually comes from that side, but it’s not exclusive to that ideology

 

[Sue]

But it's not 'been fine' for women to have to stay at home. Just like it wouldn't be fine for men to have to stay at home. That's why I call it a daft idea, real change would surely require much more reasoned solutions?

Well apparently it has been fine as this is what women have typically been advised to do when there's a sexual predator about. And I can't remember there ever being an outcry from men about it...

 

[teuchter]

Look, if you don't have such a definition then pipe down and we'll forget all about it. But go on, share your definition of men for the purposes of this thread.

What are the purposes of this thread?

 

[Orang Utan]

What are the purposes of this thread?

Stop it

 

[BlanketAddict]

Not if it gets us talking

Perhaps, maybe.

 

[SheilaNaGig]

a simple point - there is no curfew for women. this is a thread about a curfew for men. I don't think it could work, I suspect the first legal challenge would strike it down, and by stopping men working in eg a&e at nights you'd likely make things less safe in a range of ways.

To change things for the better will take time - as I've suggested elsewhere changes need to be made in culture and education as well as in socialisation and imo something like a curfew won't achieve its desired objectives

I don’t think a male curfew is feasible on any level.

But it’s is an interesting discussion point, thought experiment, rhetorical question.

Discussing the practicalities is silly in this context.

Tantamount to “if it was true that women can’t walk the streets we would never see them out of doors”.
Factually true, but not what we’re talking about.

Instead of thinking how it wouldn’t work In practice, consider what it would be like in principle.

 

[Pickman's model]

What are the purposes of this thread?

I thought you had nothing to add. You're the worst poster on this thread, if not the worst poster of urban and you'll only add to the number of people who despise you if you carry on

 

[BlanketAddict]

Well apparently it has been fine as this is what women have typically been advised to do when there's a sexual predator about. And I can't remember there ever being an outcry from men about it...

But I'm saying it ISN'T fine! That was my point!

 

[neonwilderness]

But it's not 'been fine' for women to have to stay at home. Just like it wouldn't be fine for men to have to stay at home. That's why I call it a daft idea, real change would surely require much more reasoned solutions?

Then why has the massive outcry only happened now that it’s been suggested men should be made to stay at home instead?

Clearly it’s not going to happen, but if the suggestion gets people talking about the problems then it’s a start.

 

[Doodler]

I think that considering the circumstances it might not be a little tone deaf to suggest it

Who else can take on the task? I would like to see a self-organising public ensuring its own safety but what chance is there of that in such an atomised society?

 

[BlanketAddict]

Then why has the massive outcry only happened now that it’s been suggested men should be made to stay at home instead?

Clearly it’s not going to happen, but if the suggestion gets people talking about the problems then it’s a start.

Is there a massive outcry? Or a bunch of tweets on a site filled with people insulting each other anonymously and being contrarian?

Don't get me wrong, I'm fully aware of the issue of violence towards women, see my previous posts, I just think it's a daft idea which wouldn't progress anything. I would actually be in favour of harsher sentences for deserving crimes tied with some meaningful education in school (particularly with the rise of social media and the way it can affect 'reality' to growing minds)

 

[Orang Utan]

Is there a massive outcry? Or a bunch of tweets on a site filled with people insulting each other anonymously and being contrarian?

Don't get me wrong, I'm fully aware of the issue of violence towards women, see my previous posts, I just think it's a daft idea which wouldn't progress anything. I would actually be in favour of harsher sentences for deserving crimes tied with some meaningful education in school (particularly with the rise of social media and the way it can affect 'reality' to growing minds)

I don’t think a male curfew is feasible on any level.

But it’s is an interesting discussion point, thought experiment, rhetorical question.

Discussing the practicalities is silly in this context.

Tantamount to “if it was true that women can’t walk the streets we would never see them out of doors”.
Factually true, but not what we’re talking about.

Instead of thinking how it wouldn’t work In practice, consider what it would be like in principle.

 

[BlanketAddict]

It's Mothers Day on Sunday.
A positive vibe

 

[SheilaNaGig]

How is that going to stop the police from assaulting citizens?

Or anywhere else. Like bars pubs clubs. Other streets, shops, tube stations, at home.

 

[Sue]

It's Mothers Day on Sunday.
A positive vibe

What's your point?

 

[Orang Utan]

It's Mothers Day on Sunday.
A positive vibe

Nice for some folk

 

[SheilaNaGig]

They happen more in some places than others.

Until those places no longer lend themsleves the flashers and sex pests, who move onto other locations.

You're missing the point.

The point is that men’s attitudes to women need to fucking change, at root, fundamentally.

Policing tthis or that street corner will do nothing to change the culture of misogyny.

 

[BlanketAddict]

What's your point?

That it's Mothers Day, that I've got Mum some plants and chocolates and a bit of gin!

And that it's a positive vibe in these times.

 

[SheilaNaGig]

I never said I'm fine so things aren't needed. Nor am I alright Jack.

I did say some men treat women terribly. I did say the idea of curfewing all men is a daft idea.

I do believe society has a job to do to formulate solutions to address violence against women, and children, and animals, and men.

I also believe in the reality that humans are humans, and as previously mentioned, have a long long history, perhaps even a natural inclination to stretch the point, for violence.

There's a line in The Denial Of Death that always stuck with me about everything in nature ripping everything else to shreds, from animals down to plant life. IMO bigger brained humans have taken this to a new level that transcends the immediate need for survival. Hence, perpetual violence to our fellow people, for all sorts of reasons or even no reason at all.

And what do you propose to do anout this?
What moves will you undertake, how will you apply what you know to help bring about real change?

 

[BlanketAddict]

And what do you propose to do anout this?
What moves will you undertake, how will you apply what you know to help bring about real change?

I start with helping my sister with my niece and nephew and bringing them up the right way, just like my family did for me.
I also show respect for others, male or female.
It might sound trite and simplistic perhaps but I believe in it, positive role models can have an important influence, even if it's just teaching the young uns the difference between right and wrong when they might occasionally slip up!

What moves do you undertake? Similar I would hope. Real change is best achieved if you start young I believe.

 

[Raheem]

I don’t think a male curfew is feasible on any level.

But it’s is an interesting discussion point, thought experiment, rhetorical question.

Discussing the practicalities is silly in this context.

Tantamount to “if it was true that women can’t walk the streets we would never see them out of doors”.
Factually true, but not what we’re talking about.

Instead of thinking how it wouldn’t work In practice, consider what it would be like in principle.

I think better would be "OK, so what do we think could be done without having to pretend it's feasible".