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Raheem said:
I was thinking about enforcement rather than safety. The wider point being that a curfew would require a lot of men to still be in the environment in order to be part of the infrastructure supporting it, and it would also therefore be impractical to police curfew breaches. Would women be or feel very much safer on the walk home?
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No, it wouldn't require men.
 
It would certainly have far more impact post-lockdown mind you as the streets are pretty much deserted at night at the moment anyway
 
Pickman's model said:
The problem with this is people work and study all hours of the day. Waiters and chefs and paramedics and locksmiths and theatre staff and bus drivers etc etc. Men who study in the evening. It sounds a good idea until it comes into contact with reality.
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Careful, now.
 
BlanketAddict said:
Why would the overwhelmingly vast majority of men have to have their personal freedom restricted because of the heinous actions of the extreme minority?

It's a daft idea to even suggest it.
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Why should all women have their personal freedom restricted because of the heinous actions of the extreme minority?

and it’s not daft if it gets people talking and raises awareness
 
Orang Utan said:
Why should all women have their personal freedom restricted because of the heinous actions of the extreme minority?

and it’s not daft if it gets people talking and raises awareness
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I assume this curfew would be enforced by.... hang on...

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Orang Utan said:
Why should all women have their personal freedom restricted because of the heinous actions of the extreme minority?

and it’s not daft if it gets people talking and raises awareness
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Because. Humans. Been bashing each other over the head, raping and pillaging since the dawn of time, across all civilizations. I don't expect this to change unfortunately.

It can be a daft idea AND it can raise awareness etc. Two things can be true.

I think it's a daft idea.
 
BlanketAddict said:
Because. Humans. Been bashing each other over the head, raping and pillaging since the dawn of time, across all civilizations. I don't expect this to change unfortunately.

It can be a daft idea AND it can raise awareness etc. Two things can be true.

I think it's a daft idea.
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What don't you get about it NOT being a serious suggestion...a hypothetical, to get people thinking/talking/feeling?
A rhetorical that moves people to think/talk/become aware about the restrictions and risks women face daily?
 
BlanketAddict said:
Because. Humans. Been bashing each other over the head, raping and pillaging since the dawn of time, across all civilizations. I don't expect this to change unfortunately.

It can be a daft idea AND it can raise awareness etc. Two things can be true.

I think it's a daft idea.
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It’s not a daft idea to get men to think about how women’s personal freedoms are restricted by men’s behaviour towards them
 
BlanketAddict said:
Why would the overwhelmingly vast majority of men have to have their personal freedom restricted because of the heinous actions of the extreme minority?

It's a daft idea to even suggest it.
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Lets have the vast majority of women's personal freedom restricted instead, eh. That's not daft is it? Or maybe it's your turn to suffer for the actions of a not so extreme minority. We've had our turn, thank you. Again, maybe if you #notallmen wankers were the ones suffering you'd be a bit more motivated to do something about it.
 
Maybe if even for just one night, men would have to plan a different and less convenient route home, it might garner just a tiny bit of empathy for what women have put up with since the dawn of time. And if it led to men taking to each other about male violence towards women perhaps something productive could come out of it.
 
BlanketAddict said:
I'm sorry I don't understand what you're trying to say?
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Not going to speak for Rutita, just going to give my interpretation: the idea of the concept being useful in terms of reflection/discussion is that imo based on women facing a lot of threatening behaviour on the street all the time from men* that makes them not want to leave the house at times, and reflecting on this might be useful for some men in both understanding ways of helping (for example being able to be a safe presence especially where there may be ‘unsafe’ types about), but also (more so imo) assessing where their own behaviour may make things inadvertently worse.

* - which becomes more menacing at night but certainly is not restricted to the night
 
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quimcunx said:
Lets have the vast majority of women's personal freedom restricted instead, eh. That's not daft is it? Or maybe it's your turn to suffer for the actions of a not so extreme minority. We've had our turn, thank you. Again, maybe if you #notallmen wankers were the ones suffering you'd be a bit more motivated to do something about it.
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Innocent people have to suffer because other innocent people have suffered?

I don't know why having an opinion about what I feel is a crazy idea means you have to lump me in with this not all men thing and call me a wanker? How does that help move the conversation forward?

As someone who grew up watching my father physically abuse my mum I know full well the things some men can do to women for their own selfish reasons. These things taught me young about what's right and what's wrong, and about the struggles of some women. Dad eventually got the boot, Mum is as glorious as ever and still going strong!

People can have different opinions on things and details but still agree on the bigger picture , doesn't mean they're your enemy to be insulted.
 
I got pretty angry when hearing this week about experiences a friend has regularly while out running. Not that it was news to me that women get hassle when out for a run, but these particular stories were incensing.

By talking about this for a little while, we can get around the “we didn’t know” thing. I think that’s a good thing.

The “your turn now” angle definitely isn’t a good thing.

Although if we locked up all men between the ages of 15 and <whatever my age is now minus two>, violent crime would be all but eliminated overnight.
 
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