This absolutely. And no doubt if you travel in the non-women only carriage and something happens to you, it'll be all your own fault because you weren't all segregated away.
Curfew For Men
- Thread starter Orang Utan
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An awful lot of men who've sexually assaulted or harassed women have never been convicted so
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Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
TBH, I don't think it would make much difference.
Puddy_Tat
naturally fluffy
at least some trains in the UK had women only compartments in to the 70s.
i'm not so sure that he floated it - i think the idea was put to him by a journalist, and he said it might be worth consulting on. so that he could be criticised either for saying that, or for saying yes, or for saying no...
weepiper
I fix the machines that fight climate change
It's a bit unfair to have a go at you for this, because I know you know, but all of these jobs and others are done by women, too. But still they tell us not to go out after dark for our own safety and implicitly that blames us when things like this horrible kidnapping happen.
A few years ago, my daughter and I were followed and verbally harassed by some loon (in a graveyard, no less). We had to knock on a stranger's door (the cemetary lodge) because we felt so threatened. Our (cowardly) collie was no use either.While I often have some semi-offensive bladed (gardening) tool on my person, in truth, I have no confidence in getting close enough to effectively use one, especially in a moment of fear and panic, Seemed a bit hit or miss (literally) so I sent off for some spray deterrents (Eve spray), I promptly lost mine so embarked on a lethal, home
-made one (tabasco, ground chillies and lemon juice). It keeps for ages in a little Jif squeezy bottle. I can't say I have much truck with curfews, for anyone really, and would sooner feel I was in a position to take some responsibility for my own safety, rather than relying on legal solutions (as if) or moral education for men. Feeling a bit protected, however delusional, made us feel more confident, competent and not giving off those fear pheromones which predators seem to be able to sense effortlessly.
I had a 'rape alarm, back in the 70s/80s...and had even less faith in that...but I don't really worry about repercussions for owning or even using what could be construed as a dangerous weapon because I am unconvinced that a court would convict a small, elderly woman of 'carrying a dangerous weapon.'..and I would certainly be prepared to test this out if such a situation ever arose where I felt I had to. As always, less dominant classes are being gulled if they wait for some imaginary justice or fairness to be bestowed upon them by their oppressors. Just like any class struggle, I feel justice (and safety) is something we have to take for ourselves...although I will concede that there are various ways to achieve this, but personally, I kinda like the feeling of having some agency myself.
Back in the day (70s)I also recall a rise in women's self=defence classes (especially during the period when the Cambridge rapist was active). Loads of Reclaim the Night marches. Feminism became (for me), a thing. Most of these classes were not concentrating on actual physical wrangling, but building up our own sense of being inviolate, using our voice, our wits and only as a last resort, using the physical force of the attacker. I honestly thought these initiatives were useful and would like to see these techniques being taught as part of PE at school and made available in our communities. The classes had value above simple self-protection, investing us with a definite sense of our own strengths and powers. Again, I realise that the onus is being put on women, to negotiate the tricky byways of patriarchal violence...but I think we also gain something quite essential - a refusal to be cast as the eternal victim and a feeling that we do not need to wait for men to make changes - we can do it for ourselves. This is very powerful for girls and women.
I do think the idea of 'curfew' has a lot of deep cultural resonance but would, inevitably, be mangled beyond any plausible use in the hands of the mediocrities and dullards who comprise the political classes...best avoided
-made one (tabasco, ground chillies and lemon juice). It keeps for ages in a little Jif squeezy bottle. I can't say I have much truck with curfews, for anyone really, and would sooner feel I was in a position to take some responsibility for my own safety, rather than relying on legal solutions (as if) or moral education for men. Feeling a bit protected, however delusional, made us feel more confident, competent and not giving off those fear pheromones which predators seem to be able to sense effortlessly.
I had a 'rape alarm, back in the 70s/80s...and had even less faith in that...but I don't really worry about repercussions for owning or even using what could be construed as a dangerous weapon because I am unconvinced that a court would convict a small, elderly woman of 'carrying a dangerous weapon.'..and I would certainly be prepared to test this out if such a situation ever arose where I felt I had to. As always, less dominant classes are being gulled if they wait for some imaginary justice or fairness to be bestowed upon them by their oppressors. Just like any class struggle, I feel justice (and safety) is something we have to take for ourselves...although I will concede that there are various ways to achieve this, but personally, I kinda like the feeling of having some agency myself.
Back in the day (70s)I also recall a rise in women's self=defence classes (especially during the period when the Cambridge rapist was active). Loads of Reclaim the Night marches. Feminism became (for me), a thing. Most of these classes were not concentrating on actual physical wrangling, but building up our own sense of being inviolate, using our voice, our wits and only as a last resort, using the physical force of the attacker. I honestly thought these initiatives were useful and would like to see these techniques being taught as part of PE at school and made available in our communities. The classes had value above simple self-protection, investing us with a definite sense of our own strengths and powers. Again, I realise that the onus is being put on women, to negotiate the tricky byways of patriarchal violence...but I think we also gain something quite essential - a refusal to be cast as the eternal victim and a feeling that we do not need to wait for men to make changes - we can do it for ourselves. This is very powerful for girls and women.
I do think the idea of 'curfew' has a lot of deep cultural resonance but would, inevitably, be mangled beyond any plausible use in the hands of the mediocrities and dullards who comprise the political classes...best avoided
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Ax^
Silly Rabbit
Shit post akin to some of the tweets on this
how so as i've edit my first post?
quimcunx
imprimeo, lamino, distribuo
Excuse me gentleman, can I ask what you're doing out so late this evening? You know there's a rapist on the loose? You could be mistaken for him. Oh, you've just finished your shift? Maybe you should spend your wages on getting a taxi home? Or get the bus and ask your girlfriend to meet you at the bus stop? Stop you looking so suspicious. I mean if you're going to wear a dark coloured jacket and a hoodie people are going to get ideas about you aren't they? You really shouldn't risk being out so late on your own. The roving vigilante groups might get you. Or you might be arrested and locked in a cell to protect the women of the neighbourhood while I see if your story checks out.
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We're in the middle of a curfew. A stay at home order is in place. It is illegal to leave your home without very good reason. The most serious restrictions on basic freedom of movement people in this country have seen for generations. It hasn't stopped terrible things happening to people. People who do heinous things are not going to be put off by curfews.
SheilaNaGig
Break requested
I went to a women only Hole + Huggy Bear gig at Subterranean in 1993.
It was amazing. So liberating.
Yeah but remember that he’s a “basically decently bloke”.
Apparently.
Apply this to the current situation. Women who are obliged to be out at all hours (carers bus drivers office cleaners nurses waiters bar staff late night shops women who study late theatre staff etc ) who are curtailed by their fears and the behaviour of men.
No point other than a reminder that plenty of women who are out late aren’t there for fun but for work.
Not to mention sex workers, who rely on (mostly) men being out and about for their income, and safety too (if they’re to satisfy their pinp).
Oh fuck off.
It was amazing. So liberating.
Yeah but remember that he’s a “basically decently bloke”.
Apparently.
Apply this to the current situation. Women who are obliged to be out at all hours (carers bus drivers office cleaners nurses waiters bar staff late night shops women who study late theatre staff etc ) who are curtailed by their fears and the behaviour of men.
No point other than a reminder that plenty of women who are out late aren’t there for fun but for work.
Not to mention sex workers, who rely on (mostly) men being out and about for their income, and safety too (if they’re to satisfy their pinp).
Oh fuck off.
Raheem
Well-Known Member
Aren't most of the coppers going to be at home, though?
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Personally I think a lot of practical ideas could come out of consultations between Councils , Police , transport companies , residents and women’s groups about how cities , towns and other areas could be made safer for women at night . If just one city championed this and implemented key measures it could really start a campaign that’s tangible, deliverable and gets people behind it .
quimcunx
imprimeo, lamino, distribuo
And yet curfews keep getting suggested to women like they work. Maybe the #notallmen men would do more to stop the culture that allows violence towards women to flourish if it was them who had to abide by curfews if they don't want to be thought rapists.
SheilaNaGig
Break requested
Sorry mojo pixy
I’m not in the mood for joshing
But you don’t get a free pass for being stuck indoors taking care of your kid.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Spot on. And if that involves a curfew (even if largely symbolic and time limited) which can be made to work practically and which commands the support of the local community, then all to the good.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
Just saw this on Twitter, I’m glad some schools are implementing the teaching he is talking about but it needs to be all:
(Make sure you watch the second bit too)
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
This is not a curfew.
Treacle Toes
Time
All men at home including male coppers. How dangerous do you think the streets would be if that happened?.....Think deeply now...
mojo pixy
...שלא נמצא בשמאל
A free pass to what? Rape and assault women, or what?
Fuck off yourself ffs.
That was a quick visit.
SheilaNaGig
Break requested
I’ve had a lot of conversations with men since the start of the #metoo campaign.
I say -You need to be talking about this. We’re tired of talking about this, please talk about it yourself!
They say - I do talk about it, I talk about it a lot, I’m talking to you about it right now!
I say - When was the last time you spoke to a man about it?
Men, please talk to each other. Please!
SheilaNaGig
Break requested
A free pass to exoneration, not being a part of the problem, not having to think about it, being let off talking about it, being a part of the discourse and debate.
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
The woman only carriages are for certain times of the day and, apparently aren't strictly enforced. A few incels like to boast how they deliberately take a seat on the carriage and nobody can do anything about it.
Besides those arseholes, there is a problem with gropers on the trains over here.
Raheem
Well-Known Member
I was thinking about enforcement rather than safety. The wider point being that a curfew would require a lot of men to still be in the environment in order to be part of the infrastructure supporting it, and it would also therefore be impractical to police curfew breaches. Would women be or feel very much safer on the walk home?
Also, curfews do not keep us safe. Most acts of rape, murder, violence are not happening on the dark and lawless street - they are happening in our homes, perpetrated by people we know. This is a struggle which has to be fought on many levels, with the imput of many voices...especially those who are both powerless and often invisible (sometimes because they are fucking dead).
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