Coronavirus in the UK - news, lockdown and discussion

[frogwoman]

If you want businesses to stay shut - or deeply restricted - then proper financial support is required. Otherwise, without income - of some form - at least matching expenditure, they'll go bust, and no-body wants that in the long run. Whether the re-instated furlough scheme on it's own is enough, or whether more support is needed will depend on the sector.

[my little company has work for less than half staff until maybe January, then nothing. We are in a massive workshop with good ventilation, wearing masks etc.
I had thought that one of three possible jobs would materialise soon, but as yet, it looks like they're not happening, Furlough will cover most of my staffing costs after that work finished, but not all of it, but the other costs will steadily overwhelm what's left of my income streams without a new project eg rent, energy supplies, service charges ...]

What sector do you work in?

 

[StoneRoad]

What sector do you work in?

Unfortunately, what I do doesn't actually fit into the SIC pigeonholes.

Sort of transport, sort of construction, involving mostly timber ...

 

[miss direct]

So rumour is that tier 3 will just mean shops open. Hospitality to remain closed apart from take away. Can't say I'm surprised. Everywhere would be so busy after weeks at home/in the park. This must go on until after New Year, surely?

 

[Teaboy]

So rumour is that tier 3 will just mean shops open. Hospitality to remain closed apart from take away. Can't say I'm surprised. Everywhere would be so busy after weeks at home/in the park. This must go on until after New Year, surely?

I certainly expect tier 3 to be basically what is happening now but with an allowance for further region specific restrictions. Its going to be miserable for those who come out of lockdown 2 just to go straight into tier 3 and as such very little will change.

Looking at the maps there will certainly be some Northern areas in tier 3. Down here in London it could be a toss up. I really hope we have tier 2.

 

[miss direct]

Just my luck that I moved back to the UK to Yorkshire, which seems to have a very high proportion of cases. Thank goodness for the countryside.

 

[souljacker]

I certainly expect tier 3 to be basically what is happening now but with an allowance for further region specific restrictions. Its going to be miserable for those who come out of lockdown 2 just to go straight into tier 3 and as such very little will change.

Looking at the maps there will certainly be some Northern areas in tier 3. Down here in London it could be a toss up. I really hope we have tier 2.

I'd like to think Reading would be spared the worst too, seeing as we are only at 161/100k and 3 deaths a week.

 

[killer b]

I certainly expect tier 3 to be basically what is happening now but with an allowance for further region specific restrictions. Its going to be miserable for those who come out of lockdown 2 just to go straight into tier 3 and as such very little will change.

Looking at the maps there will certainly be some Northern areas in tier 3. Down here in London it could be a toss up. I really hope we have tier 2.

just a minute - you were recommending closing schools yesterday, now you're wanting to be in tier 2 instead of 3?

 

[xenon]

Although. shops + gyms can open everywhere apparently. Source, Sky news on radio just now.

Reckon Bristol will be in tier 3 though. 469 / 100K. I hope you can at least meet more than one person outside. I had a can of beer with a mate sat on the harbour side the other day. Bit chili and access to bogs prevented more drinkage but doable...

 

[Teaboy]

just a minute - you were recommending closing schools yesterday, now you're wanting to be in tier 2 instead of 3?

No. I think in the highest most tier schools should close as well. I also think they should have closed during this most recent lockdown and in general there should have been a far greater focus on what was happening in our education sector because I strongly believe that was / is where the biggest problem is / was. I think the decision to just shrug shoulders has caused the second wave to be much worse and as a consequence more people have died and the long term economic damage is far greater.

I believe the long term damage of this decision on children will be far greater than had we closed the schools or at least taken greater measures. That's before we start discovering what long term health implications there may be.

Obviously no one wants to be in tier 3 do they? I don't make that decision though so its irrelevant what I hope for same as everyone else.

 

[Spandex]

The new Tiers in full:

Tier 1 - the virus can spread as it pleases
Tier 2 - hmm, that doesn't look good. We should do something.
Tier 3 - oh fuck, it's out of control and the hospitals are filling up! Shut stuff!

 

[elbows]

Obviously no one wants to be in tier 3 do they?

Just as there are times where I want us to be in lockdown, there are also times I'm going to want various areas to be in tier 3, including my own area. Because I want infection rates to be controlled, and I want a response that is appropriate given the data.

 

[ska invita]

Considering this is where we are - basically Spring Peak Covid in terms of hospitalisations - I'm curious to know what areas will get Tier 3. Do we know when those regions get announced?


Looks grossly irresponsible to lift lockdown in December to me, but I know its the years peak shopping and boozing time, so thats 100% the logic behind it.

 

[xenon]

Announcement re which areas in which tiers on Thursday I think.

 

[Teaboy]

Considering this is where we are - basically Spring Peak Covid in terms of hospitalisations - I'm curious to know what areas will get Tier 3. Do we know when those regions get announced?

Thursday apparently. The justification is they want to leave themselves as much time as possible to assess the impact of Lockdown 2 but also leave enough time so every region knows what is happening and what to expect come December 2nd (or whenever lockdown finishes).

 

[redsquirrel]

Just my luck that I moved back to the UK to Yorkshire, which seems to have a very high proportion of cases. Thank goodness for the countryside.

You are in God's Own though

 

[Teaboy]

Just as there are times where I want us to be in lockdown, there are also times I'm going to want various areas to be in tier 3, including my own area. Because I want infection rates to be controlled, and I want a response that is appropriate given the data.

Sure. There is a realisation that sometimes it just has to be and that is the best option but in and itself it is not a situation you want to find yourself in.

 

[killer b]

I'm expecting and hoping to be in tier 3 come december despite cases coming down in my region tbh.

 

[elbows]

Thursday also fits with their previous schedule for weekly reporting data used to make regional tier decisions in the past.

There aren't many areas that I would currently be happy to see in tier 2 rather than 3. Because most regional R estimates have still been too high, and where such estimates are within a more comfortable range, the overall levels of infection and hospitalisations are too high, eg the North West. The picture may well improve further before the decision so I may tweak my opinion, but there is only so far it can go in the right direction in the coming days, so I dont expect to have a massive change of heart.

 

[Espresso]

We were in tier three before this alleged lockdown, so I presume we'll still be in it come December.
And January and probably until they roll the vaccines out.

 

[The39thStep]

I'm expecting and hoping to be in tier 3 come december despite cases coming down in my region tbh.

Greater Manchester looks like it’s going to be in tier 3 plus pubs, bars , restaurants and cafes closed aside of takeaways . The wet led traditional pub is going to be a rare thing of beauty in the future

 

[killer b]

The wet led traditional pub is going to be a rare thing of beauty in the future

if this is the case it's because the government hasn't given appropriate support to the trade, not because the measures aren't necessary.

 

[souljacker]

I really don't get this thing with last orders being at 10pm but you get an hour to drink up. I'll just buy three pints at 10pm.

 

[elbows]

Greater Manchester looks like it’s going to be in tier 3 plus pubs, bars , restaurants and cafes closed aside of takeaways . The wet led traditional pub is going to be a rare thing of beauty in the future

I would anticipate that we won't have to talk about extra stuff bolted onto tier 3 in particular regions this time.

Wont be surprised if the 'pubs shut unless they serve substantial meals' thing is moved to tier 2, and that the new tier 3 will involve more complete pub closures without the meals loopholes.

 

[Espresso]

I really don't get this thing with last orders being at 10pm but you get an hour to drink up. I'll just buy three pints at 10pm.

If it's still going to be the case that you can only order a drink if you're eating, then brace yourself for eating three dinners at half ten at night.

 

[Teaboy]

The 'substantial meal' loophole was always on odd thing to have in the top tier.

 

[Nanker Phelge]

I really don't get this thing with last orders being at 10pm but you get an hour to drink up. I'll just buy three pints at 10pm.

The guy that runs GAY said that this morning. People just line up their drinks if they have a deadline.

 

[The39thStep]

if this is the case it's because the government hasn't given appropriate support to the trade, not because the measures aren't necessary.

We’ll disagree on the former agree on the latter

 

[cupid_stunt]

The guy that runs GAY said that this morning. People just line up their drinks if they have a deadline.

Yep.

Reminds me of living in Ireland in 80s, closing time was 10.pm on Sundays, so in the nightclubs you would grab 4 pints before the bar reopened at 12.01 am on Monday.

 

[souljacker]

If it's still going to be the case that you can only order a drink if you're eating, then brace yourself for eating three dinners at half ten at night.

I'm not going to have to order a meal with every pint though. surely.

 

[killer b]

We’ll disagree on the former agree on the latter

have you got what we agree on and disagree on the wrong way round?