Coronavirus in the UK - news, lockdown and discussion

[elbows]

This is just a guess but I reckon that which tier you were in pre-lockdown 2 will be a reasonable guide as to what tier you will move into come the end of the month.

I'd be surprised if some areas aren't put into a higher tier than they were in before the November measures.

 

[Looby]

I'd be surprised if some areas aren't put into a higher tier than they were in before the November measures.

Yeah, I think we’ll be in tier 2 at least this time. 400+ cases per 100,000 this week in a few areas close by.

 

[Steel Icarus]

I'm amazed NE Lincs wasn't already in Tier 3 before this wet fart of a mockdown was introduced. Got as high as 650 per 100k. Now at 479. 765 cases last week, 4500 total, 4200 of those in last 2 months

 

[Teaboy]

I'd be surprised if some areas aren't put into a higher tier than they were in before the November measures.

Well tier 1 doesn't seem to have been very effective so likely see more tier 2's this time. The real kicker will be how many areas are put into tier 3.

 

[StoneRoad]

We were already in tier 3 before the "lockdown" ; now, our latest case rate is 85.3 / 100,000 compared to the "national rate" at 237.6

 

[elbows]

398 deaths reported today. 230 up on last Sunday & 18662 cases down 6300 on last Sunday.

ETA 141 of those deaths were omitted from yesterday.

And the 141 that were omitted yesterday were deaths that had already been published in the past (ie they are part of numbers of deaths by date of death that I show graphs of quite often). So these were deaths we have been able to see on the dashboard in the past apart from when looking at it after Saturdays update and before todays update, rather than deaths that have been missing from the picture completely until they were added today.

For example, for a very long time the number of deaths on July 1st has been 27, but yesterday the dashboard figures showed it as 26. The missing one from that date is one of the 141 they are on about, and it is back today.

I have graphed the approximate Saturday missing deaths picture and its largely from the first wave figures. (I say approximate because I cannot remove some later fluctuations that may have been proper corrections rather than due to this error)


And this is the current deaths by date of death picture, now that Sundays corrected data is available.

 

[frogwoman]

So deaths seem to be on a plateau rather than going up or down massively. That's still absolutely grim mind you.

 

[Mation]

I'm amazed NE Lincs wasn't already in Tier 3 before this wet fart of a mockdown was introduced. Got as high as 650 per 100k. Now at 479. 765 cases last week, 4500 total, 4200 of those in last 2 months

Mockdown. Yes. That's the word.

 

[Teaboy]

Mockdown. Yes. That's the word.

At the moment it feels like a lot of upheaval and negative impact for very little gain. Hopefully we will see the positive impact over the next couple of weeks.

 

[Badgers]

At the moment it feels like a lot of upheaval and negative impact for very little gain. Hopefully we will see the positive impact over the next couple of weeks.

Hands, Space, Positive Impact

 

[elbows]

So deaths seem to be on a plateau rather than going up or down massively. That's still absolutely grim mind you.

Yeah, although during times of rising numbers this sort of data normally looks like a plateau near the more recent dates, because of lag, we might actually be seeing something closer to a plateau for real now. Or at the very least nothing like the rate of growth that we saw previously.

 

[thismoment]

Evidence that we shouldn't be giving parliament five days to debate new lockdown measures:

the leaked news always gets on my nerves. Whenever there’s an announcement to be made there seems to be endless leaked news and then we have to wait what seems like an age to actually finds out what’s what. Pisses me and my anxiety of waiting for confirmation of what’s next

 

[miss direct]

I've forgotten what tier 3 means to be honest. Shops open?

 

[killer b]

I've forgotten what tier 3 means to be honest. Shops open?

yep, plus restaurants/pubs that serve food (though you can only go there with a housemate), and you can meet up to 6 people outdoors

 

[SpookyFrank]

I've forgotten what tier 3 means to be honest. Shops open?

It means you have to order a packet of dry roasted nuts with your pint.

 

[Teaboy]

The tier rules are being rewritten. Exciting times.

 

[killer b]

not so, you need to order a 'substantial meal' with your pint.

A pub in town here was offering chicken and chips for free until he got warned off by the council, so he started selling it for a penny a portion.

 

[elbows]

This time the top tier should really mean pubs and restaurants shut, but what they will actually decide is unknown to me.

 

[Teaboy]

This time the top tier should really mean pubs and restaurants shut, but what they will actually decide is unknown to me.

Yes it should. No dancing on a pin head. Also close the schools as well. All in.

 

[cupid_stunt]

It means you have to order a packet of dry roasted nuts with your pint.

No it doesn't, you twat.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

No it doesn't, you twat.

yeah you have to order an officially-defined meal, like chips

 

[miss direct]

I did go out on my own for an English breakfast but couldn't remember why I felt the urgency to do so. Perhaps it was just before this four weeks of restrictions (I refuse to use the meaningless l word )

If they open pub again I literally will sit there on my own and have a meal and get drunk, purely for the change of scene.

 

[killer b]

Yes it should. No dancing on a pin head. Also close the schools as well. All in.

they won't be closing the schools in a tier 3 that isn't supposed to be as stringent as current measures are they? Case numbers in the parts of England that were in tier 3 before lockdown coming down suggests it's not really necessary too. Or that they'll certainly deem it unnecessary anyway.

 

[Teaboy]

they won't be closing the schools in a tier 3 that isn't supposed to be as stringent as current measures are they? Case numbers in the parts of England that were in tier 3 before lockdown coming down suggests it's not really necessary too. Or that they'll certainly deem it unnecessary anyway.

Sure. I know this, I'm just saying what I think they should do. I remain utterly convinced that that unless we address the real honking great problem in our education sector we are just treading water until vaccination. All the meanwhile more and more damage is done to the economy, peoples lives and the future of the next generation.

 

[cupid_stunt]

yeah you have to order an officially-defined meal, like chips

Nope, chips on their own don't count as a 'substantial meal'.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Nope, chips on their own don't count as a 'substantial meal'.

cheesy chips

 

[Sue]

I've forgotten what tier 3 means to be honest. Shops open?

Me too. My family in Scotland were asking me about it all yesterday and I realised I've completely lost track of things.

(I'm wfh and not seeing anyone or doing anything so it's not like I'm breaking any rules even if I don't know what they are. )

 

[killer b]

Sure. I know this, I'm just saying what I think they should do. I remain utterly convinced that that unless we address the real honking great problem in our education sector we are just treading water until vaccination. All the meanwhile more and more damage is done to the economy, peoples lives and the future of the next generation.

But case numbers are coming down in the North West and North East, without closing the schools - not only would the government not deem it necessary under those circumstances, 'm not sure what the reason would be - much less how you'd get people to consent to it.

 

[miss direct]

I strongly suspect many schools will close early for christmas..

 

[cupid_stunt]

But case numbers are coming down in the North West and North East, without closing the schools - not only would the government not deem it necessary under those circumstances, 'm not sure what the reason would be - much less how you'd get people to consent to it.

In Ireland (RoI) they have kept schools open, and yet they have seen new daily cases drop from almost 1,200 to under 400.

Although they were sensible enough to lockdown again some 2 weeks before England did.