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AverageJoe said:
It's just a fucking joke.

I don't qualify for any help from the government as I set up a new business in Jan and work from home so don't have any business premises.

I feel like I'm in an open prison. I can do some things but only when I'm allowed or told to.

I'm a reasonable, patient, law abiding citizen and I'm being treated like a cunt by the government. My resentment is slowly turning into anger. And I can't be the only one.

I want to live goddammit, not exist.
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What do you suggest happens then to limit the deaths and massive social damage from covid if we don't have some restrictions?
 
My guess is they'll broadly be the same, except in Tier 3 more that was optionally shut like gyms last time will be shut for sure this time. I expect non-essential retail will stay open in even the highest Tier due to it being Xmas.

I also expect it to be for about 2 weeks, then a free-for-all (even if they pay lip service to some 'use your common sense/be careful' bollocks) for Xmas and NYE. Then again back into something stricter after that.
 
frogwoman said:
I've worked on Christmas and/or Christmas Eve for the last few years. A lot of the time people find it hard getting time off for other religious holidays at the best of times, get pressured to work Saturday or other days etc. So they do end up seeing family on Christmas, one reason being it might not be possible on other occasions. I totally get why cloo is pissed off, I am too frankly. Everyone else has had to give up their religious holidays and I probably should have more sympathy than I do.
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It's not a religious holiday though is it? For the vast majority of people who celebrate Christmas in the UK, religion has no part of it.
 
Artaxerxes said:
Oh lord don't try and tell the truth. It's amazing how few give a shit but suddenly do when you point out the last time they went to church was 20 years ago to baptize the kids.
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Secular Christmas is the most widely celebrated festival in the country and shouldn't be disparaged just because it doesn't always exactly connect to religious Christmas. Last time I went in a church (other than to vote) was for a funeral more than a decade ago and I don't believe in God. Doesn't mean I don't think family Christmas isn't something worth having or even defending.
 
maomao said:
Secular Christmas is the most widely celebrated festival in the country and shouldn't be disparaged just because it doesn't always exactly connect to religious Christmas. Last time I went in a church (other than to vote) was for a funeral more than a decade ago and I don't believe in God. Doesn't mean I don't think family Christmas isn't something worth having or even defending.
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I dont think they were arguing that.
Christmas is a huge big deal, our midwinter festival. It's not religious for most though.
 
frogwoman said:
My sister reckons they're going to let everything go with no restrictions for a few days and then have a worse lockdown afterwards.

New years is going to be nuts.
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I dont think what the govt say will make any difference now....that horse has bolted. Here in Bristol people are doing what they like and that will continue to get more extreme.

Even in hospital...well the one I work for....the rules are not clear, different depending on who is manager of the day....its a mess and there does not seem to be any clear leadership, just a load of patsy's happy to toe the party line whether it makes sense or not.

I've decided that all that little ol band 3 me can do is question the logic behind dumb decisions.
I won't be very popular by Christmas.
 
maomao said:
Secular Christmas is the most widely celebrated festival in the country and shouldn't be disparaged just because it doesn't always exactly connect to religious Christmas. Last time I went in a church (other than to vote) was for a funeral more than a decade ago and I don't believe in God. Doesn't mean I don't think family Christmas isn't something worth having or even defending.
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Secular Christmas is absolutely fine but the minute you try and generalise it or say it's not really about God then you get hordes of people going on about PC gone mad and don't strip out the Christianity from it despite them having no stake in the church
 
kalidarkone said:
I dont think what the govt say will make any difference now....that horse has bolted. Here in Bristol people are doing what they like and that will continue to get more extreme.

Even in hospital...well the one I work for....the rules are not clear, different depending on who is manager of the day....its a mess and there does not seem to be any clear leadership, just a load of patsy's happy to toe the party line whether it makes sense or not.

I've decided that all that little ol band 3 me can do is question the logic behind dumb decisions.
I won't be very popular by Christmas.
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Yeah my sister is in Bristol.
 
This winter solstice (note : NOT christmas, I'm an atheist and don't observe any religion's holy days) is indeed something to celebrate.

However, this year celebrations will be confined to my own house ...
unless we've been lucky enough to have been vaccinated already.
All the elder generation are gone, and the two youngest members of OH's family are still shielding with their household.
That just leaves "my" generation ...

tbh, I'm quite happy to give the wider "family" celebrations a miss this year.

Despite the fact I own and run a workshop based business, I've been working from home since early March, with very limited interactions with my team. I'm quite happy to continue in the same fashion until the science says otherwise. ie I've been vaccinated and I've allowed enough time for my immune system to have been "trained" ...
 
maomao said:
Secular Christmas is the most widely celebrated festival in the country and shouldn't be disparaged just because it doesn't always exactly connect to religious Christmas. Last time I went in a church (other than to vote) was for a funeral more than a decade ago and I don't believe in God. Doesn't mean I don't think family Christmas isn't something worth having or even defending.
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Yup. I keep up membership of both the Scottish Secular Society and Humanist Society Scotland. When I was young and radical I used to use alternative names for the festival, but long ago realised that was totally missing the point that society had long ago secularised it.

It’s important that we have festivals throughout the winter months, to reaffirm community and connection. And for me the 25th December is a lovely family feast. It’s name matters to me about as much as the names of the days of the week.
 
Looby said:
Someone has just shared this on Facebook. This is from a nurse at a hospital in an area which isn’t considered to have a particularly high level of cases compared to areas in the north.
Frontline nurse at UK’s Royal Bournemouth Hospital speaks out as COVID-19 cases surge :(
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That's appalling !

When bezza had the gall-bladder problem last month (this is in NE England) they had a covid test, and were admitted to a single room. when the -ve result came back - and the single room was needed for another new patient, they were moved into out the ward proper. [no visitors, btw] and discharged the same afternoon as the lunchtime operation. Luckily, I already knew what to do as my OH had lost their gall-bladder a couple of years ago ...
 
Thora said:
Various details seem to be leaking out all over the media at the moment, but think I read Monday & Thursday as announcements to parliament and the masses.
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Yes. It seems that information regarding the revised tier system will be announced tomorrow. They are waiting until Thursday to announce which areas will be in which tier.
 
Teaboy said:
Yes. It seems that information regarding the revised tier system will be announced tomorrow. They are waiting until Thursday to announce which areas will be in which tier.
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Oh, I thought the point was that everyone would be in tier 3. But I only got that impression from reading this thread.
 
nagapie said:
Oh, I thought the point was that everyone would be in tier 3. But I only got that impression from reading this thread.
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No I don't think that will be the case. There wouldn't be much point in a tier system if everyone is stuck in the same tier. Lots of rural areas are still largely covid free so it doesn't make much sense for them to be in tier 3.

This is just a guess but I reckon that which tier you were in pre-lockdown 2 will be a reasonable guide as to what tier you will move into come the end of the month.
 
Teaboy said:
Yes. It seems that information regarding the revised tier system will be announced tomorrow. They are waiting until Thursday to announce which areas will be in which tier.
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Surely they should wait until they see the figures at the end of the shutdown before deciding which category to put each area in?
 
weltweit said:
Surely they should wait until they see the figures at the end of the shutdown before deciding which category to put each area in?
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Apparently that is why they are delaying announcing which areas into which tier until Thursday.
 
398 deaths reported today. 230 up on last Sunday & 18662 cases down 6300 on last Sunday.

ETA 141 of those deaths were omitted from yesterday.
 
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