Why, did you do that at 11:30 PM in regular times then?
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Why, did you do that at 11:30 PM in regular times then?
you may need to take up an interest in tapas
souljacker
innit
Last orders used to be about 10 mins before closing though. And I would always try and grab an extra pint at last orders! Doesn't everyone?
When I read stories like this I find it pretty random how there can suddenly be these massive spikes in places where not much was being said about before
I suppose if you have fairly low numbers in your area it would be easy to get complacent. Where I am everyone (well everyone over 21) is viably following the rules. There is just a constant threat here I suppose.
Covid rules 'disregarded' as Swale becomes second worst-hit area
The Swale district of Kent now has the second highest coronavirus infection rate in England.
www.bbc.co.uk
I suppose if you have fairly low numbers in your area it would be easy to get complacent. Where I am everyone (well everyone over 21) is viably following the rules. There is just a constant threat here I suppose.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
We have fairly low numbers, and people haven't got complacent.
elbows
Well-Known Member
When I read stories like this I find it pretty random how there can suddenly be these massive spikes in places where not much was being said about before
Covid rules 'disregarded' as Swale becomes second worst-hit area
The Swale district of Kent now has the second highest coronavirus infection rate in England.www.bbc.co.uk
I suppose if you have fairly low numbers in your area it would be easy to get complacent. Where I am everyone (well everyone over 21) is viably following the rules. There is just a constant threat here I suppose.
Coverage of areas with rising cases has been very patchy and incomplete. I am never surprised by sudden spikes because that just demonstrates how explosive this virus can be. There are plenty of hospitals down south where I look at the data and feel the situation has not been covered well by the media.
Peoples standards for what counts as bad also seems to change massively over time. People seem to be judging places relative to other places numbers at that moment in time, forgetting what number of cases per 100,000 used to count as bad and requiring local lockdowns months ago.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Just seems like dickhead behaviour in a pandemic tbh.
elbows
Well-Known Member
No they aren't. And just because you decided to pin the wave on students as the main driving force doesn't make it so. They are just one of many factors that has driven this wave.
I think longer drinking up time and the resulting dickheads who order extra pints at last orders is probably a good thing - not everyone will order extra pints so it means everyone won't leave the pubs at the same time.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Students are no longer included in their university’s town figures now, I gather. They’re down as living back with their parents even though they’re still actually in halls!
(edit: This is wrong, its the other way around - so you can all stop telling me it is now
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From what I've seen (I meant visibly rather than viably - typo) yes they are. I'm sure there is lots of invisible rule breaking going on. The only large groups of people I see out and about are under 21. That is what I see.
I'm not pinning anything on anything just saying what I've seen from my walks. Right now, out of my window I can see a about 15 people having a kick-about in the park.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Sorry your right .
elbows
Well-Known Member
Other way around. It was a problem with the data for ages, students testing positive being attached to their parental home postcode not their term-time address, but that has been corrected recently and the corrections have been backdated to apply to positive case data from September 1st onwards.
why do you think wet pubs should be allowed to stay open? It's pretty obvious to me that the current fall in infections in the north dates to the tier 3 restrictions being brought in, and pubs were a significant part of that - before they shut the pubs it was well out of control. Be interested to hear what the alternative might be?
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
In NZ they call it the 6 o’clock swill
elbows
Well-Known Member
Fair enough. The invisible side of things is where a lot of the action is though. I see the usual stuff quoted in the Swale article, the obvious rule breaking being blamed, but they say that stuff because it is much easier than talking about the politically difficult stuff like workplace and prison and hospital infections. And because, unlike in those institutional settings, general public visible flouting of rules is something they think they can improve by appealing to the public. I am still annoyed that they did this here in Nuneaton in June when actually the spike here was due to a hospital outbreak and it was brought under control when they sorted out hospital infection control, not by getting the public to behave differently. But that particular hospital situation was much easier to spot at the time because it happened when levels of the virus in the community were not that high so the hospital figures stuck out like a sore thumb.
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The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
You’ll have to convince me that pubs were a significant part never mind cafes / coffee houses etc . Whilst I am sure there were a few rogue pubs my most recent experience of the U.K. was that many shops and other outlets didn’t apply the same stringent conditions that most hospitality venues have.
elbows
Well-Known Member
The opportunities to be convinced have been around long enough that I no longer have any patience with this stance, and will just start writing people off as pathetic pandemic pub wankers.
Don't the infection numbers more or less speak for themselves? Areas which have had pubs closed the longest are seeing drops in infections when places which only closed the pubs at the start of the month are only starting to plateau now. Where else are those reductions coming from?
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Why do you think they're closing pubs etc. then? The government would avoid that if at all possible, and in fact they have tried to, to the detriment of infection rates. Just because you went to a few that you thought seemed OK doesn't mean anything.
souljacker
innit
Come off it. If I've been in the pub all evening another hour isn't going to be more dangerous.
prunus
Tick tock.
Yes it is. That’s the whole point about how it works. Every second a person spends in a potential infection scenario increases the chance of being infected, and that’s without taking into account the infection acceleration effects of people getting more drunk as a night in a pub wears on.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Go away and have a read about risk, risk mitigation, how infections spread, and then come back with a more informed opinion.
souljacker
innit
I'll have a read up when I'm next in the pub.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Thats entirely up to you and I’m not going to enter a slanging match about wankers . I read your posts learn a lot but feel free to have an option , I’m sure you wouldn’t want to deny me that and discussion can take place , with or with out you on a civil basis . Your general line has been that evidence of pubs being a problem in themselves was inconclusive but that following the logic that we can’t wait for conclusive figures in order to cut transmission closed locations that have people in them should be closed . My view is that the government isn’t following your view and is cherry picking areas that can be closed ie you can have a warehouse of people in B&Q with less restrictions than a pub , you can have gyms open but not a local cafe . I don’t think it’s wrong to question inconsistencies.[/QUOTE]
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