Coronavirus Conspiracy Corner

[SpookyFrank]

Excellent stuff

Coronavirus, ‘Plandemic’ and the seven traits of conspiratorial thinking

Conspiracy theories about COVID-19, such as those advanced in the video ‘Plandemic,’ tend to pull from the same playbook. Recognizing that can help keep you from falling for this kind of thinking.

theconversation.com

Hadn't actually seen any of the plandemic stuff before. Pretty distressing to see something so obviously half-arsed gaining so much ground. But of course the actual content is almost completely irrelevant with this stuff; hence the blatant recycling of tropes, connections made with zero reference to evidence or causality etc etc.

 

[Lurdan]

I was assuming that given the lunacy, the tweet was from a different James Woods than the more well known one!

'Real James Woods' really is the real one. For real even. In fact so much is he a Real One that he transcends our 'mere' reality.

It probably makes me a bad person but I find it hard to get angry about his interminable stream of bollocks. At one level he 'does twitter well' for what that's worth - I guess it plays to the fact that he always was a bit of a ham. And while I don't have any illusion that anyone's form of expression is ever fully transparent or unfiltered it's kind of refreshing not to have to worry about subtext.

 

[maomao]

I've now heard three different people say that they know for a fact that someone has died of stroke/heart attack/whatever but have Covid 19 'stamped on their bodybag' (therefore the death figures are false). Given that death certificates not bodybags are what are counted by the ONS is there any chance that this myth has its roots in some real infection control measure in hospitals?

 

[CH1]

I've now heard three different people say that they know for a fact that someone has died of stroke/heart attack/whatever but have Covid 19 'stamped on their bodybag' (therefore the death figures are false). Given that death certificates not bodybags are what are counted by the ONS is there any chance that this myth has its roots in some real infection control measure in hospitals?

I would have said it was perfectly possible for a stroke or a heart attack to be caused by Covid - given the fact that the lung problems are supposed to be caused by blood clots in the lungs.

On a more cynical note it wouldn't surprise me if the NHS ad over-ordered body bags "stamped with Covid-19" and therefore was using up the stock. But I haven't been in a hospital mortuary to say. Sounds more like wild speculation to me.

 

[NoXion]

I've now heard three different people say that they know for a fact that someone has died of stroke/heart attack/whatever but have Covid 19 'stamped on their bodybag' (therefore the death figures are false). Given that death certificates not bodybags are what are counted by the ONS is there any chance that this myth has its roots in some real infection control measure in hospitals?

I always like to ask those kind of twats where the hell they think all the extra corpses are coming from. It can easily be confirmed that during the first peak, mortuaries across the world were running out of room. It's also pretty damn obvious when you look at the statistics concerning excess deaths, which show that they far outstrip the numbers corresponding to previous flu seasons.

 

[Dogsauce]

I always like to ask those kind of twats where the hell they think all the extra corpses are coming from. It can easily be confirmed that during the first peak, mortuaries across the world were running out of room. It's also pretty damn obvious when you look at the statistics concerning excess deaths, which show that they far outstrip the numbers corresponding to previous flu seasons.

that Panorama documentary a couple of weeks back where they featured an undertaker was pretty bleak, bodies stacked up in containers. Suggest they watch that.

 

[sovereignb]

I've now heard three different people say that they know for a fact that someone has died of stroke/heart attack/whatever but have Covid 19 'stamped on their bodybag' (therefore the death figures are false). Given that death certificates not bodybags are what are counted by the ONS is there any chance that this myth has its roots in some real infection control measure in hospitals?

I would have said it was perfectly possible for a stroke or a heart attack to be caused by Covid - given the fact that the lung problems are supposed to be caused by blood clots in the lungs.

On a more cynical note it wouldn't surprise me if the NHS ad over-ordered body bags "stamped with Covid-19" and therefore was using up the stock. But I haven't been in a hospital mortuary to say. Sounds more like wild speculation to me.

I had the same with two different people. Is everybody presenting at hospital with these conditions being tested for Covid? Even if they do test positive, does it conclude it caused their death?

 

[gosub]

that Panorama documentary a couple of weeks back where they featured an undertaker was pretty bleak, bodies stacked up in containers. Suggest they watch that.

Bumped into a bloke I know who sells mortuary refrigeration, decent bloke so didn't mention until asked but he'd done 5 years worth of business this year and that was in early May

 

[CH1]

I had the same with two different people. Is everybody presenting at hospital with these conditions being tested for Covid? Even if they do test positive, does it conclude it caused their death?

I doubt it. Its a different department. If someone was brought in with heart failure seems unlikely they would be tested for Covid. The first job would be to resuscitate them and if that failed they'd be off to the mortuary. Covid testing would be for respiratory cases - on the way in.
We need someone on the hospital inside posting here - but they would probably be too busy, tired and even depressed.
This guy got a lot of airtime a while back. Maybe he got told to tone it downl.

Norfolk doctor on how the coronavirus battle is taking its toll | ITV News

Fola Opatola and his wife have spoken to ITV Anglia about how he's juggling home life with his hospital work. | ITV News Anglia

www.itv.com

 

[Teaboy]

I had the same with two different people. Is everybody presenting at hospital with these conditions being tested for Covid? Even if they do test positive, does it conclude it caused their death?

At the daily briefings they are quite open about the covid death rates including everyone who had tested positive and died. Due to so many deaths being amongst those who have a lot of co-morbidity its virtually impossible to say what one thing (if it was one thing) that caused death. Nothing being hidden in regard to that, you've got to collect data and that means you have to clearly define what that data you are collecting.

Also deaths can be covid related even if that person didn't have the virus. In the past few months some people would have died from things such as heart attacks and strokes that maybe could be saved had they presented at hospital. Fear of the hospital being just one factor why some people didn't. The virus can kill in many ways.

 

[sovereignb]

At the daily briefings they are quite open about the covid death rates including everyone who had tested positive and died. Due to so many deaths being amongst those who have a lot of co-morbidity its virtually impossible to say what one thing (if it was one thing) that caused death. Nothing being hidden in regard to that, you've got to collect data and that means you have to clearly define what that data you are collecting.

Also deaths can be covid related even if that person didn't have the virus. In the past few months some people would have died from things such as heart attacks and strokes that maybe could be saved had they presented at hospital. Fear of the hospital being just one factor why some people didn't. The virus can kill in many ways.

Very interesting point. However I think its extremely misleading to report such people as "dying of Covid-19".

 

[sovereignb]

I doubt it. Its a different department. If someone was brought in with heart failure seems unlikely they would be tested for Covid. The first job would be to resuscitate them and if that failed they'd be off to the mortuary. Covid testing would be for respiratory cases - on the way in.
We need someone on the hospital inside posting here - but they would probably be too busy, tired and even depressed.
This guy got a lot of airtime a while back. Maybe he got told to tone it downl.

Norfolk doctor on how the coronavirus battle is taking its toll | ITV News

Fola Opatola and his wife have spoken to ITV Anglia about how he's juggling home life with his hospital work. | ITV News Anglia

www.itv.com

Just ended up talking to someone in a queue for the bank. Uncle died of a heart attack - after being labelled as a Covid death, her mother had to push for an investigation, only to be told said uncle did not test positive for the virus

In addition, my friends mother (recovering from cancer) presented with coughing symptoms. Tested and initially told she was clear, only to be told a week later she is positive. Thankfully, she appears to be fine now but honestly cant say I have much faith in the testing or deaths rates reported.

 

[Doodler]

I've now heard three different people say that they know for a fact that someone has died of stroke/heart attack/whatever but have Covid 19 'stamped on their bodybag'

Sounds like bollocks, as if someone in the hospital has got a load of rubber stamps made up for different causes of death: CAR CRASH, COVID, FELL OFF A LADDER, JUST UNLUCKY etc.

 

[maomao]

Sounds like bollocks, as if someone in the hospital has got a load of rubber stamps made up for different causes of death: CAR CRASH, COVID, FELL OFF A LADDER, JUST UNLUCKY etc.

Well exactly. And I doubt body bags have anything to do with death certificates or causes of death. What I did think was maybe bodybags from hospitals or wards with C19 on them might be marked in some way for the benefit of the undertakers and their infection control measures and that it had been misunderstood at some level. But maybe it is just made up bollocks.

 

[Teaboy]

Very interesting point. However I think its extremely misleading to report such people as "dying of Covid-19".

I don't think anyone is, I'm certainly not. I was just using it as an example in which the virus can contribute to deaths which may not have happened under normal circumstances. There are a lot of numbers around at the moment but the government briefing specifically talks about people who have died and tested positive. The comparison of that number to the excess death number is interesting.

 

[Supine]

 

[CH1]

Seeing as people are really into the bodybag issue, although HSJ says bodybags are not essential for moving deceased bodies where the cause of death in Covid, nevertheless government guidance does seem to suggest this is necessary if a coffin is not immediately used. Guidance for care of the deceased with suspected or confirmed coronavirus (COVID-19)
It seems that a typical design is https://b11c2fe7-2350-4ac7-9485-047...d/eacbe0_e1b37d9403094c129d58a3ffc5955f95.pdf
There are a range of these ironically sourced from - China, via Didsbury in South Manchester.

PPE Product Listing - PPE Dedicated Supply Channel

www.ppe-dedicated-supply-channel.co.uk

You will see that the bodybag has a document pouch - but no mention of whether a COVID warning can be stamped on.

 

[Shechemite]

Bannon teaming up with Falun Gong

I told you this was going to happen

 

[Shechemite]

CCP vs Falun Gong. Psychiatry is geopolitical

 

[editor]

Approx three months too late. Useless, useless, irresponsible fuckers

Twitter starts fact-checking COVID-19 and 5G tweets

 

[Voley]

We had this one yet?

 

[Voley]

Someone's done a bit of digging on the 'Coronavirus' in that pic and they reckon it's an advert for spaghetti.

 

[two sheds]

Yeh that's what they're telling you

What country is famed for spaghetti?
And what country in the EU has worst coronavirus figures? Eh eh?

 

[wemakeyousoundb]

Someone's done a bit of digging on the 'Coronavirus' in that pic and they reckon it's an advert for spaghetti.

that's my bolognese out the window then.

 

[killer b]

I was listening to the soundtrack of Full Metal Jacket yesterday, which has some wonderful ambient synth tracks by someone called Abigail Mead who, it turns out, is actually Stanley Kubrick's daughter Vivian Kubrick - this seems to be the only music she's ever released so I thought I'd check if she was on twitter so I could ask her if there was more... and she is. But I don't want to ask her anything anymore - it's a wall of full on MAGA conspiracy theory, Bill Gates vax rage, BLM race hate stuff... These people's brains are actually broken aren't they? It's horrifying.

 

[CH1]

I was listening to the soundtrack of Full Metal Jacket yesterday, which has some wonderful ambient synth tracks by someone called Abigail Mead who, it turns out, is actually Stanley Kubrick's daughter Vivian Kubrick - this seems to be the only music she's ever released so I thought I'd check if she was on twitter so I could ask her if there was more... and she is. But I don't want to ask her anything anymore - it's a wall of full on MAGA conspiracy theory, Bill Gates vax rage, BLM race hate stuff... These people's brains are actually broken aren't they? It's horrifying.

This bit of her Wikipedia entry is interesting:
In August 2010, her family announced that since 1999 she had been involved in the Church of Scientology and has been estranged from her family since then. Her family was concerned that she did not attend the funeral of her sister, Anya Kubrick, in 2009, nor meet with her earlier while she was dying of cancer.[6]

 

[Orang Utan]

I was listening to the soundtrack of Full Metal Jacket yesterday, which has some wonderful ambient synth tracks by someone called Abigail Mead who, it turns out, is actually Stanley Kubrick's daughter Vivian Kubrick - this seems to be the only music she's ever released so I thought I'd check if she was on twitter so I could ask her if there was more... and she is. But I don't want to ask her anything anymore - it's a wall of full on MAGA conspiracy theory, Bill Gates vax rage, BLM race hate stuff... These people's brains are actually broken aren't they? It's horrifying.

jesus - i sneaked a peak and lasted about 15 seconds - psyops nonsense and full on racism

 

[Kasper Jonran]

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I'm going to get that printed poster size for work

 

[Doodler]

I was listening to the soundtrack of Full Metal Jacket yesterday, which has some wonderful ambient synth tracks by someone called Abigail Mead who, it turns out, is actually Stanley Kubrick's daughter Vivian Kubrick - this seems to be the only music she's ever released so I thought I'd check if she was on twitter so I could ask her if there was more... and she is. But I don't want to ask her anything anymore - it's a wall of full on MAGA conspiracy theory, Bill Gates vax rage, BLM race hate stuff... These people's brains are actually broken aren't they? It's horrifying.

Not too surprising that one of Stanley Kubrik's children turned out intense with an obsessive streak.

 

[William of Walworth]

Not too surprising that one of Stanley Kubrik's children turned out intense with an obsessive streak.

From that Twitter link, which I regret checking now, she's a full-on lunatic!
As should be obvious within a couple of minutes, to anyone who isn't one too