Conspiraloon 9/11- 7/7 Truther outed as Holocaust denier

[Aldebaran]

You're coming accross as a bit of a muppet here tbh.

No, Badger Kitten just does not get my point, I'm afraid.

salaam.

 

[Bob_the_lost]

I'm not interested in looking at what lunatics say.

The whole point is that you say that what they say is "Islam" or "reference to Islam".
You repeat that over and over again.
Hence I ask you where you get that.
Your reply, again and again : "because they say it".

Yes, and?
Again: Where is your evidence that what they say is "Islam"?

salaam.

You're saying their Islam is not your Islam? Well done, have a medal and go bore someone else to death. Otherwise i'd look here:

In another clip, Mr Ali said: “I’m doing this . . . to punish and to humiliate the kuffar [unbeliever], to teach them a lesson that they will never forget. It’s to tell them that we Muslim people have pride, our people of Allah, the people of Islam, we are brave. We are not cowards. Enough is enough.”

They refer to Islam or their Muslim brothers on a fairly frequent basis. You can't deny that. Perhaps you're failing to make yourself understood, they aren't dictating Islam to their adherents, their word is not being taken down as Gospel, what on earth makes you think what they say Islam? Your questions make little sense, a good part of any confusion is your fault here i'm afraid.

 

[Badger Kitten]

I agree, but the likes of badger kitten want to get rid of this man, since his speech is so abhorrent to them. She seems to want to return to the macarthyism of the US. Wrong opinion, get the fucker, wipe him out, ruin him.

It's just violence.

Actually, why don't you look at what I said?

Freedom of speech doesn't extend to Holocaust denial. You have to have a line somewhere and this is generally agreed to be it.

It's up to his Uni if they decide that freedom of speech should be extended in this case, but he is using his PhD in connection with denying the holocaust, writing under his real name - that is something that the Uni should know about. If he merely had the views and kept them to himself, that would be one thing - but he's in a University, in a research position, and using his academic doctorate to add credibility to his claims - not blethering on the Stormfront boards under a pseudonym.

I think that a line has been crossed.

You might also note two posters advocating violence, and me saying, no, violence is not the answer.

So, nowhere did I say that I wanted to 'get rid' of him 'wipe him out' or 'ruin him'. Why don't you actually read what people post?

 

[cesare]

From post #72

"I don't think violence is ever the answer, but pwn-ing, pointing and making violent puking noises are a good start"

That is violence. Imposition is violence.

lol

You're being violent on this thread fela, cos you're imposing on it

 

[tarannau]

So, any news from Jazzz yet?

No?

How strange

I think he's sticking to writing about football today.

Obviously he's too ashamed to show his face on this thread for the moment. He's such a willing patsy and sucker for these Holocaust-denying wankers.

I do hope he's not going to play mealy-mouthed apologist when he surfaces.

 

[fela fan]

You wot? Do you know anything about history because you're just looking stupid here. McCarthy (Note: not Mac) made stuff up, made wild unjustified allegations with no basis and lied like there was no tomorrow.

Your comparison is fucking shit.

As is your stupid, lazy and all round ignorant assault on the English Language. Buy a fucking dictionary you pillock.

Now, what could i find in the dictionary to right any wrongs that i've made? Go on, show me any misspellings i've made that i could have not made had i referred to the fucking dictionary...

 

[Badger Kitten]

I'm not interested in looking at what lunatics say.

The whole point is that you say that what they say is "Islam" or "reference to Islam".
You repeat that over and over again.
Hence I ask you where you get that.
Your reply, again and again : "because they say it".

Yes, and?
Again: Where is your evidence that what they say is "Islam"?

salaam.

Right. I've explained, and I suggest you read my posts again. Preferably without projecting your own issues all over them to the extent that you can't seem to grasp what I have explained quite clearly several times, or being wilfully obtuse.

 

[tarannau]

From post #72

"I don't think violence is ever the answer, but pwn-ing, pointing and making violent puking noises are a good start"

That is violence. Imposition is violence.

That's the best you've got?

Worra load of shite.

 

[Bob_the_lost]

Now, what could i find in the dictionary to right any wrongs that i've made? Go on, show me any misspellings i've made that i could have not made had i referred to the fucking dictionary...

Dictionaries don't just let you check your spelling moran. They also help with meanings of words. Pick a meaning:

1. Physical force exerted for the purpose of violating, damaging, or abusing: crimes of violence.
2. The act or an instance of violent action or behavior.
3. Intensity or severity, as in natural phenomena; untamed force: the violence of a tornado.
4. Abusive or unjust exercise of power.
5. Abuse or injury to meaning, content, or intent: do violence to a text.
6. Vehemence of feeling or expression; fervor.

 

[fela fan]

You might also note two posters advocating violence, and me saying, no, violence is not the answer.

This is what you said:

"I don't think violence is ever the answer, but pwn-ing, pointing and making violent puking noises are a good start"

That looks very much like violence to me.

 

[trashpony]

I'm not interested in looking at what lunatics say.

The whole point is that you say that what they say is "Islam" or "reference to Islam".
You repeat that over and over again.
Hence I ask you where you get that.
Your reply, again and again : "because they say it".

Yes, and?
Again: Where is your evidence that what they say is "Islam"?

salaam.

If I write: John says 'All white women should be shot', it doesn't mean that's what I think, it means that's what John thinks. It's called reported speech and that's what BK's doing. I don't know if English is your first language so it may be a language problem?

 

[Badger Kitten]

Aldebaran has made it quite clear that rather than look at the facts and the evidence for himself, he is not interested in looking at what the men said.

Since we are talking about what the men said, that makes it rather difficult to have any kind of meaningful debate with him.

 

[Aldebaran]

No, but you're splitting hairs Aldebaran.

No, I'm not.
I try to find out why Badger Kitten claims that what these people say is "Islam" by the mere fact they say it.

These suicide bombers believed that, for whatever bizarre reason, their religion excused their action. Nobody's arguing whether their interpretation of the Koran was correct, or whether they're 'proper' muslims.

They can believe what they want, that gives no reason to claim that whatever they believe is "Islam" simply by the mere fact they believe it is.
And in addition: In what is quoted here I see no single reference to Islam, its teachings, its commands. Just the repeated nonsense of that type of lunatics.

salaam.

 

[cesare]

You seem to be getting a bit worked up fela. Drop the ego and feel nothing.

 

[tarannau]

"I'm going to charge you with violent assault because you've pointed at me'

Or howsabout

'I'm going to charge you with grevious bodily harm for pwn'ing me on a website'

You don't half make a prize prick out of yourself Fela. Keep it going numbnuts - very entertaining.



Coming later, how puking noises are the new happyslapping.

 

[Bob_the_lost]

I see, you're complaining because the suicide bombers didn't reference their sources correctly. Mark down their work appropriately ladies and gentlemen.

 

[Aldebaran]

Aldebaran has made it quite clear that rather than look at the facts and the evidence for himself, he is not interested in looking at what the men said.

Since we are talking about what the men said, that makes it rather difficult to have any kind of meaningful debate with him.

I talk about what you quoted, claiming that is "Islam" and on top of it, it is "Islam" merely because those lunatics said these words.

salaam.

 

[fogbat]

Hehehehe


We're in that taxi again

I should start paying rent, to be fair

 

[Badger Kitten]

This is what you said:

"I don't think violence is ever the answer, but pwn-ing, pointing and making violent puking noises are a good start"

That looks very much like violence to me.

Trashpony, Bob, I'm pointing at you and making puking noises right now, as well as typing words on a screen. Please report back if you can feel any pain or whether any part of you has been injured. Or whether you can sense it in any way at all, and if so, how violent it is on a scale of 1-10 with 1 being a gentle push and 10 being a hard blow to the head with an anvil.

Thanks.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

I try to find out why Badger Kitten claims that what these people say is "Islam" by the mere fact they say it.

She hasn't, you clueless muppet.

 

[Aldebaran]

I see, you're complaining because the suicide bombers didn't reference their sources correctly. Mark down their work appropriately ladies and gentlemen.

They have no sources, so I am asking BK why he claims they have, while knowing they don't.

salaam.

 

[Jazzz]

So, any news from Jazzz yet?

No?

How strange

oh, I only just saw this thread.

A whole finger-pointing expose of Nick Kollerstrom?

yes I do know him although I haven't seen him for a while. I've never discussed WWII with him. He's always struck me as quite harmless.

Let's round him up though!

 

[Bob_the_lost]

Trashpony, Bob, I'm pointing at you and making puking noises right now, as well as typing words on a screen. Please report back if you can feel any pain or whether any part of you has been injured. Or whether you can sense it in any way at all, and if so, how violent it is on a scale of 1-10 with 1 being a gentle push and 10 being a hard blow to the head with an anvil.

Thanks.

I feel a slight pressure in my bladder which has been building for some time, it could be due to internal haemorrhaging from your vicious impositions upon me, or it could be because of the liquids i've been drinking...

I'll rate it as a .5 but that might increase as time goes on.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

oh, I only just saw this thread.

A whole finger-pointing expose of Nick Kollerstrom?

yes I do know him although I haven't seen him for a while. I've never discussed WWII with him. He's always struck me as quite harmless.

And the wrigglethon begins!

 

[trashpony]

Trashpony, Bob, I'm pointing at you and making puking noises right now, as well as typing words on a screen. Please report back if you can feel any pain or whether any part of you has been injured. Or whether you can sense it in any way at all, and if so, how violent it is on a scale of 1-10 with 1 being a gentle push and 10 being a hard blow to the head with an anvil.

Thanks.

Ow

I'm not far you know - I can sense your vibes

Oh alright I had no idea until I read this post. I'm no mind reader

 

[fogbat]

I talk about what you quoted, claiming that is "Islam" and on top of it, it is "Islam" merely because those lunatics said these words.

salaam.

Hi Aldebaran,

I'm genuinely not trying to stir, or be awkward, but I read Badger Kitten's posts on this subject very differently.

All I understood her to be saying was that some people described as terrorists have claimed to be committing / planning these attacks in the name of Islam. The connection between Islam and the attacks was made by these people, irrespective of their accuracy, not BK.

"Islamic terrorists" has been used as shorthand for those people popularly considered terrorists (as would I, but I'm trying to remain as objective as I possibly can here), due to their association with and claimed belief in Islam. BK, however, hasn't even remotely suggested that Islam == terrorism / murder / violence etc.

 

[Aldebaran]

You're saying their Islam is not your Islam?

I'm saying "their" Islam doesn't exist in Islam.

They refer to Islam or their Muslim brothers on a fairly frequent basis. You can't deny that.

So what? See above.

Perhaps you're failing to make yourself understood, they aren't dictating Islam to their adherents, their word is not being taken down as Gospel, what on earth makes you think what they say Islam? [/qutoe]

I think you just turned the whole discussion upside down. BK is the one claiming what they say is "Islam", for no other reason than it is said by them.

salaam.

 

[Badger Kitten]

Hi Aldebaran,

I'm genuinely not trying to stir, or be awkward, but I read Badger Kitten's posts on this subject very differently.

All I understood her to be saying was that some people described as terrorists have claimed to be committing / planning these attacks in the name of Islam. The connection between Islam and the attacks was made by these people, irrespective of their accuracy, not BK.

"Islamic terrorists" has been used as shorthand for those people popularly considered terrorists (as would I, but I'm trying to remain as objective as I possibly can here), due to their association with and claimed belief in Islam. BK, however, hasn't even remotely suggested that Islam == terrorism / murder / violence etc.

Thank you.

 

[Jazzz]

oh and if people really want me why not pm? I don't usually bother checking UK politics.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

BK is the one claiming what they say is "Islam"

I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that you can't read.