Mass stabbing at Southport Kids’ Club 29/7/24

[tim]

As far as I know, other than a general obsession with murder/killing, we know next to nothing about his motivation, his plan for the ricin or what else he would have like to have done.

So sweeping generalisations about the relevance of his race, gender, politics or other motivating factors are purely guesswork from tedious online amateur sleuths. So yes, those seeking to weaponise race are at it. But similarly those discounting anything at this point are also guessing/making poltical intreventions.

Let's wait for some facts and evidence eh...

I'm confident in discounting demonic possession, but agree in general.

 

[brogdale]

Let's wait for some facts and evidence eh...

Have largely stayed read only on this thread, but concur with this.

The little evidence that has emerged from news reporting suggests that a thorough examination of the lost opportunities by agencies to engage with the perpetrator will be crucial. That said, we all know that under-funded/cut services will never function optimally. But it does appear complicated because some of the reports of the referrals to Prevent sounded naive; of course many teenage boys will look up violent content online but, on the other hand, the fact that the Police seemingly underplayed actual knife-carrying and assaults looks pretty bad.

 

[tim]

I've always been very much against the death penalty, but this case has made me waver in my opinion.

As has been said above even when there was a death penalty the UK didn't execute people for crimes committed when they were minors. He was seventeen but asult British troops serving with the SAS in Afghanistan within the last decade or so were murdering young men who weren't combatants to increase their unit kill count. Is that a less horrific crime than this? Do you want to hang them and their commanding officers?

 

[ElizabethofYork]

As has been said above even when there was a death penalty the UK didn't execute people for crimes committed when they were minors. He was seventeen but asult British troops serving with the SAS in Afghanistan within the last decade or so were murdering young men who weren't combatants to increase their unit kill count. Is that a less horrific crime than this? Do you want to hang them and their commanding officers?

If they stabbed little children multiple times then yes.

 

[The39thStep]

What sort of method of execution would persuade more of Urban's liberal posters to support the reintroduction of the death penalty?

 

[Poot]

You don't have to be a liberal to oppose the death penalty. Sometimes it's just not the right tool for the job.

 

[LakieLady]

What sort of method of execution would persuade more of Urban's liberal posters to support the reintroduction of the death penalty?

No method would persuade me to support it.

I might consider letting those on whole-life tariffs opt for euthanasia though.

 

[HeAthen]

No method would persuade me to support it.

I might consider letting those on whole-life tariffs opt for euthanasia though.

Absolutely and unequivocally this.

 

[Pickman's model]

What sort of method of execution would persuade more of Urban's liberal posters to support the reintroduction of the death penalty?

for me it's not so much the method as such but the means by which we arrive by it, and i for one might feel more comfortable if the decisions were arrived at by some manner of revolutionary tribunal or committee of public safety.

 

[Pickman's model]

You don't have to be a liberal to oppose the death penalty. Sometimes it's just not the right tool for the job.

and sometimes it is

 

[tim]

If they stabbed little children multiple times then yes.

They shot young innocent men because they needed to have a high kill count. How is thay different from murdering innocent little girls? There lives aren't less valuable and the crime is not less henious

 

[A380]

They shot young innocent men because they needed to have a high kill count. How is thay different from murdering innocent little girls? There lives aren't less valuable and the crime is not less henious

Start another thread . That’s an important topic but this isn’t the place for it. Read the room.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

They shot young innocent men because they needed to have a high kill count. How is thay different from murdering innocent little girls? There lives aren't less valuable and the crime is not less henious

Are you claiming that there is a moral equivalence between SAS soldiers killing people - some of whom were likely to be fellow combatants or at least participative through facilitating others and some innocent victims - and the random acts of murder of children by Rudakubana? On this thead? Fucking hell.

 

[Ax^]

oh can the the death penalty fanciers just go have a slow hard wank to the defendant picture and back with a bit of clarity..


having the death penalty would of done fuck all to protect those kids

 

[tim]

Are you claiming that there is a moral equivalence between SAS soldiers killing people - some of whom were likely to be fellow combatants or at least participative through facilitating others and some innocent victims - and the random acts of murder of children by Rudakubana? On this thead? Fucking hell.

The point is that they weren't combatants they were taken from their beds, posed and shot to make them look like combatants; murdered in cold blood like these children. Of course there's moral equivalence

Panorama investigation uncovers new evidence about alleged extrajudicial killings in Afghanistan

Investigation by BBC Panorama reports to have uncovered new evidence, including eyewitness evidence, concerning allegations of extrajudicial killings of civilians by UK Special Forces in Afghanistan

www.leighday.co.uk

BBC report on unlawful SAS killings 'broadly accurate', MoD concluded

Officials wrote a letter saying a Panorama report on alleged war crimes in Afghanistan was accurate, despite public denials.

www.bbc.com

Start another thread . That’s an important topic but this isn’t the place for it. Read the room.

As to reading the room, I am reading a thread where people are lamenting the fact that the state cannot murder someone for a crime that was committed when they were seventeen. I dont think that is acceptable and I don't see why I should pussyfooy around those who say such things for fear of offending them.

 

[Lotte]

What sort of method of execution would persuade more of Urban's liberal posters to support the reintroduction of the death penalty?

I didn't realise being pro-death penalty was a leftist position.

The fact that murders like this occur in countries with the death penalty would suggest it doesn't work.

 

[A380]

What sort of method of execution would persuade more of Urban's liberal posters to support the reintroduction of the death penalty?

Well as spokesperson for the wanky reformists, and liberals on here I’d have to say none.

 

[A380]

…I don't see why I should pussyfooy around those who say such things for fear of offending them.

And that’s your problem right there. You really can’t see an issue can you?

Start a thread about the allegations about special forces.

 

[mentalchik]

Having a death penalty would not have stopped this individual or many others...unless it could be proved 100% that no innocent person would ever be found guilty and executed i will stick to the anti stance that i've held since being a youngster...i totally understand the reaction but nope for me

 

[SpookyFrank]

I suspect Axel Rudakubana is in the early stages of a psychotic illness.

Dread to think what the late stages look like.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

The point is that they weren't combatants they were taken from their beds, posed and shot to make them look like combatants; murdered in cold blood like these children. Of course there's moral equivalence

No, the point is that you use an example of soldiers in a theatre of war, in which, innocent civilians were allegedly killed to draw some sort of equivelence with the random murder of children at a Taylor Swift event.

On a thread where people are expressing their sadness/horror/anger at the latter.

It appears your point is that your anger at the former negates the feelings of posters about the latter.

It doesn't.

Have a word with yourself and as A380 says if you want to talk about the SAS go and start a thread.

 

[Spymaster]

oh can the the death penalty fanciers just go have a slow hard wank to the defendant picture ...

This happens quite often around here. Some weirdo equates execution/death with sexual arousal and masturbation.

Freud pointed out that people who do this are usually projecting their fantasies, which is quite obvious when you give it a bit of thought.

The term for this deviance is thanatophilia, and you'll be pleased to hear that you can get treatment for it Ax^

 

[Dystopiary]

Wonder if a death penalty discussion should go on another thread whatever your stance.

eta especially with the gross sexual talk, shouldn't be on this thread ffs.

 

[Pickman's model]

The point is that they weren't combatants they were taken from their beds, posed and shot to make them look like combatants; murdered in cold blood like these children. Of course there's moral equivalence

Panorama investigation uncovers new evidence about alleged extrajudicial killings in Afghanistan

Investigation by BBC Panorama reports to have uncovered new evidence, including eyewitness evidence, concerning allegations of extrajudicial killings of civilians by UK Special Forces in Afghanistan

www.leighday.co.uk

BBC report on unlawful SAS killings 'broadly accurate', MoD concluded

Officials wrote a letter saying a Panorama report on alleged war crimes in Afghanistan was accurate, despite public denials.

www.bbc.com

As to reading the room, I am reading a thread where people are lamenting the fact that the state cannot murder someone for a crime that was committed when they were seventeen. I dont think that is acceptable and I don't see why I should pussyfooy around those who say such things for fear of offending them.

i don't know how you thought this would be a good place to ventilate the appalling behaviour of the sas in afghanistan (and elsewhere, for that matter) so altho' there's a great subject there to discuss this isn't the thread for it.

 

[Ax^]

This happens quite often around here. Some weirdo equates execution/death with sexual arousal and masturbation.

Freud pointed out that people who do this are usually projecting their fantasies, which is quite obvious when you give it a bit of thought.

The term for this deviance is thanatophilia, and you'll be pleased to hear that you can get treatment for it Ax^

oh stop it the reaction after everyone of these case from parts of the public "well if I got my hands on em" " well if it was my kids"

have a word with yourself already..

it a weird and unhealthy fantasy

 

[Spymaster]

oh stop it the reaction after everyone of these case from parts of the public "well if I got my hands on em" " well if it was my kids"

have a word with yourself already..

it a weird and unhealthy fantasy

I haven’t mentioned it on this thread and you’re the only one equating it with sexual arousal.

You are a thanatophile and as you say, it’s weird and unhealthy .

 

[Ax^]

I haven’t mentioned it on this thread and you’re the only one equating it with sexual arousal.

You are a thanatophile and as you say, it’s weird and unhealthy .

Mr hang me high is calling me a thanatophile

you been banging on about it for years

getting pleasure from every thread. jebus search the word death penalty and you been 3 post down salivating about killing someone

 

[The39thStep]

Mr hang me high is calling me a thanatophile

you been banging on about it for years

getting pleasure from every thread. jebus search the word death penalty and you been 3 post down salivating about killing someone

Can you and Spymaster squabble somewhere else, please?

 

[Ax^]

oh alright derail off

withstanding the interlude, the death penalty being active in the country would of had no effect on the criminal actions and would of acted as a deterrent to the same events that unfolded


but heyho if you believe the legal system should be state sponsored vengeance then we have to agree to disagree

 

[Boo Radley75]

When this country got rid of the death penalty, it wasn't a divisive left/ right issue. People were widely, on both sides of the divide, genuinely appalled by this barbaric and outdated practice. Sadly that generation are dying off and it's people shouting for the return of it who have never lived through an era where it's a thing.