CIA knew of 9/11 - told Admin - Covered Up for Inquiry

[editor]

You want me to spell it out right here why you vehemently trash all discussion on the mere possibility of 9/11 been known about?

Me?!!!

You're the stupid, thread-trashing, lying cunt dredging up irrelevant details about other poster's personal work details and, in my case, posting up a load of fantasy bollocks about how I'm supposedly busy chasing after "multinational media companies"

 

[editor]

Allen Moore? No I haven't but unlike the editor I'm willing to read recommended books.

Maybe that's something to do with the fact that:
(a) I've got several (non-multinational media corporate) jobs and lots of obligations (like running this site) and have very little spare time, unlike a man of leisure like yourself

...and...

(b) I don't feel under any obligation to instantly rush out and read books just because some lying tosser on a website tells me that I should

 

[editor]

Maybe he meant he was just grabbing a few contact details of peeps, before he loses access to his pm's ?

I've no idea what he meant, neither do I understand why he's unable to explain or apologise for his lies or make sense of the supposed relevance of his weird job-related comments to this thread.

I have been extraordinarily patient and tolerant though, but enough;s enough.

 

[RaverDrew]

I've no idea what he meant, neither do I understand why he's unable to explain or apologise for his lies or make sense of the supposed relevance of his weird job-related comments to this thread.

I have been extraordinarily patient and tolerant though, but enough;s enough.

Ok, I'm just saying, don't read to much into his comment about jotting down a few details from his pm's, when there are plenty of legitimate reasons why he would want to do so (phone numbers, e-mail addys etc).

 

[pk]

 

[Bernie Gunther]

What is that? Tsuikui Nage?

 

[Bob_the_lost]

What is that? Tsuikui Nage?

I belive the technical term is "Painful".

 

[Bernie Gunther]

I belive the technical term is "Painful".

Only if you do it properly (ie hold onto their nuts and ram their head into the floor Ju-Jitsu style) rather than doing the wimpy Olympic Judo version

 

[kyser_soze]

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/101704A.shtml


The thread has since deteriorated, interestingly with not one reaction to barking's post. This thing on there being two realities is an excellent and enlightening comment from this writer, and lies at the heart of how the US elites can get away with involvement in having the 911 attacks happen.

And at the heart of why they will never get caught for it.

Why, it's exactly the reason that the likes of bush, his old man, blair, thatcher, kissinger, nixon, even clinton, never get sent to prison, despite their dreadful crimes against humanity.

Bush and those pulling his strings just took it all one step further, what with their designs for ever increasing hegemony intersecting with the sound-bite nature of today's media.

Chomsky got this one wrong kyser!

That's because it's already been discussed to death ff - and on what grounds of evidence do you have to back up your claim that 'Chomsky got this one wrong kyser'?

 

[fela fan]

That's because it's already been discussed to death ff - and on what grounds of evidence do you have to back up your claim that 'Chomsky got this one wrong kyser'?

what?? That an advisor to bush tells a reporter that there are two realities, one that they create, and one that we try to live by? And that those two realities are basically at war? That's been discussed to death? No way, i would remember that mate.

And evidence, proof, science are for anybody who wants them. I'm not letting them get in the way of my life. The only fucking evidence i've got of anything is what i've personally experienced. So much shit out there is a pack of lies or spin or plain bullshit, that i only trust my own self.

Ah man, calling for evidence and proof is so western... You all need a dosage of eastern reality pumped into yer veins.

 

[fela fan]

fela fan 2+2 does not equal 4.

No you're right mate. It equals whatever anybody wants it to equal. And if you have power, then you just tell everybody what it equals, and your answer is then their answer.

I see editor has banned you, a long time contributor of four years. He's banned a lot of folk recently. Must be part of the cleansing process. Pity really.

 

[fela fan]

That's why I say we are in a three cornered fight. In one corner, "men of faith" like Bush and Blair; in another corner "men of faith" like Osama and Mullah Omah; and in the third corner there's we, the people, who are guided not by any exclusive religiousity, but by our lively understanding of our inalienable rights. In particular, that decisions affecting our lives should have a rational, not a religiously revealed, basis.

We must be living in a triangle then mate, funny, i was sure the world was round...!

Good description though mate. Here it is in another way: two kinds of destroyers, those who hate life, and one kind of people, those who love life.

So, we can actually add the fourth corner: ordinary people who would be blair/bush or omah/obl if they could.

 

[kyser_soze]

what?? That an advisor to bush tells a reporter that there are two realities, one that they create, and one that we try to live by? And that those two realities are basically at war? That's been discussed to death? No way, i would remember that mate.

There were threads on it on P&P and Big Thoughts since it covers off a big area - P&P was largely concerned with how Rove and co have basically been able to acheive this 'heartland ignorance' with the help of Fox, r/wing radio jocks, and the mainstream media's fear of being seen as 'unpatriotic'; that the comment basically refers to how the GOP have engineered a media-generated reality among their core voters and they don't care what the rest of the world prints/thinks cos they've got their voters in this bubble.

IIRC one of the discussions on it started as a result of Katrina because it was the first event that the GOP really failed to spin, and someone quoted it for that purpose.

The discussion in Big Thoughts was largely concerned with the nature and creation of realities (it took in subjects like 'Are Al-Q real'?) - it's funny, cos your call to accept an 'Eastern' way of looking at things (which I'm not sure you really understand - all your position of 'I only believe what I experience' is existentialist and has been part of Western thinking for centuries) is little more than asking me to adopt the post-modern view that there are indeed many realities and it's all down to POV.

But then you immediately go and contradict yourself - in saying you 'only trust yourself' and your experience means that nothing can be proven/disproven in your worldview, meaning that if you really believe this you can't honestly say that something you haven't experienced is true or false - especially in the matter of the USG since you have no direct experience of dealing with them on issues of development and foreign policy.

 

[Yossarian]

Ah man, calling for evidence and proof is so western... You all need a dosage of eastern reality pumped into yer veins.

Mad bastards who go digging up Kanchanaburi province looking for US war bonds hidden by the Japanese aside, I think you'll find most people in the Far East to be as skeptical as people anywhere!

 

[fela fan]

There were threads on it on P&P and Big Thoughts since it covers off a big area - P&P was largely concerned with how Rove and co have basically been able to acheive this 'heartland ignorance' with the help of Fox, r/wing radio jocks, and the mainstream media's fear of being seen as 'unpatriotic'; that the comment basically refers to how the GOP have engineered a media-generated reality among their core voters and they don't care what the rest of the world prints/thinks cos they've got their voters in this bubble.

Oh ok, missed it. Incidentally, and it's happening here in thailand now, it's always interesting to see that it is the ignorant masses that are blamed for the leaders getting away with their spin and crimes. In my book the blame can be laid squarely at the intelligentsia of society.

Pilger was always good at perceiving that the 'ignorant masses' in fact were intelligent beings who simply never got a voice.

Whereas journos academics experts and the like have plenty of voice. And how come we have blair and bush in leadership positions instead of being in fucking prison where they belong? Oh, would it be down to appeasement by the middle class, by any chance?

 

[snouty warthog]

I joined this thread to see why azrael23 had been banned, then dr ring ding has been banned as well? well, everyone here knows what I think anyway. I tend to agree with the banned guys... I don't especially feel the need to talk about it anymore.

dr ringding, if you do read this, I would recommend 'watchmen' as well- me mate lent it me a few weeks ago. It works on many levels... there's a curious proliferation of (so-called) 'illuminati' symbolism in one strand of the story, and a coded dissemination of their (alleged) gameplan, if you wish to read it that way...

 

[editor]

I joined this thread to see why azrael23 had been banned, then dr ring ding has been banned as well?

You are aware that neither were banned for knowing the truth, but for taking the fucking piss with endless FAQ-busting activities, yes?

 

[TAE]

calling for evidence and proof is so western

It'll never catch on ... oh look it has! A few thousand years ago !!

 

[kage]

What is that? Tsuikui Nage?

Ude Garame aint it?

 

[snouty warthog]

You are aware that neither were banned for knowing the truth, but for taking the fucking piss with endless FAQ-busting activities, yes?

to be honest, I don't know. I didn't read the entire thread- I'm interested but not that interested (in the bannings- I'm *very* bored by anything to do with 9/11 at present), and my time online is pretty limited currently. so I'll have to take yr word for it...

I wasn't trying to grind any axe, it was just like 'oh'...

 

[kyser_soze]

So you thought you'd make a noise about the unfairness of the bannings without actually reading the evidence for them on the thread?

Not un-akin to you, snorbury and the rest when it comes to making pronouncements about various subjects without any evidence to back the claims up, but then IIRC you're a religionist aren't you? And IIRC again, religions don't encourage the search for evidence...

 

[snorbury]

So you thought you'd make a noise about the unfairness of the bannings without actually reading the evidence for them on the thread?

Not un-akin to you, snorbury and the rest when it comes to making pronouncements about various subjects without any evidence to back the claims up, but then IIRC you're a religionist aren't you? And IIRC again, religions don't encourage the search for evidence...

you don't always need evidence, instinct works as well in some circumstances. Mathematics is great, but, even the greatest mathematician would agree that there a stars beyond the furthest star we have evidence about. I have no proof, but instinctively know this.

 

[snouty warthog]

So you thought you'd make a noise about the unfairness of the bannings without actually reading the evidence for them on the thread?

er, if u read my post k.s, you will notice I haven't mentioned the fairness or otherwise of the bannings. my comment was 'oh'...

 

[editor]

I have no proof, but instinctively know this.

You're trolling, right?

 

[DrRingDing]

Maybe that's something to do with the fact that:
(a) I've got several (non-multinational media corporate) jobs and lots of obligations (like running this site) and have very little spare time, unlike a man of leisure like yourself

...and...

(b) I don't feel under any obligation to instantly rush out and read books just because some lying tosser on a website tells me that I should

A) I'm not 'a man leisure' you 'lying tosser', I've just spent the last three days dealing with maoists in rural Nepal so that we can build a childrens home for the orphans of the war conflict...of more of which all of you 'orrible lot will hear of later, when we start appealing for your hard earned cash and fund raising ideas.

B) I did not order you to 'rush' out and buy the book I offered you the book. I am willing to send you the book in the post....absolutely no rushing involved....and no rush to read the book, stick it in your bog...fuck it took me about 2 years to get through Lenin's (yawn) "What is to be done" on the shitter.

 

[DrRingDing]

A) I'm not 'a man leisure' you 'lying tosser', I've just spent the last three days dealing with maoists in rural Nepal so that we can build a childrens home for the orphans of the war conflict...of more of which all of you 'orrible lot will hear of later, when we start appealing for your hard earned cash and fund raising ideas.

...and you'll be pleased to hear I'm ill from eating and shitting like them.

It's suprisingly hard work being a 'man of leisure'.

 

[DrRingDing]

...and on the subject of media lies and distortion the truth on the ground here is far from the crap written in the beloved BBC and Kathmandu Post.

 

[editor]

Is this Answer Your Own Post day or something?

 

[Badger Kitten]

Gap year student day?

 

[DrRingDing]

Gap year student day?

Dont be a berk.