"fuckwitted muppets"?
campaign against welfare cuts and poverty
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From today's Guardian, Osborne's plan to send annual tax statements giving what aortas to be a biased breakdown of welfare spending.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/nov/02/tax-statements-george-osborne-money#comment-43116258
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Well, they don't want to alienate the OAPs, hence the refusal to break down "welfare" spending further, given how pensions and various other benefits OAPs can access constitute the majority of the welfare budget.
Man forced to work, for nothing (natch), for company that fired him.
http://www.theguardian.com/society/...ork-placement-labour?CMP=twt_gu&commentpage=1
A story that will surprise noone.
http://www.theguardian.com/society/...ork-placement-labour?CMP=twt_gu&commentpage=1
A story that will surprise noone.
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/nov/12/jobseeker-applied-posts-protest-dwp-policy-sanctioned
Daily sanctioning, ground down, treated like a criminal, still applied for 60 jobs in a fortnight - which was labelled positively by the same advisoer in the same meeting who subsequently told him his search wasn't broad enough.
Vote out these cunts.
Daily sanctioning, ground down, treated like a criminal, still applied for 60 jobs in a fortnight - which was labelled positively by the same advisoer in the same meeting who subsequently told him his search wasn't broad enough.
Vote out these cunts.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
You really need to get your head around this - the regime is not going to be significantly altered under labour. And that's because all the parties share a commitment to the same welfare management plans - and this is enshrined in the eu as well. Active benefits is something they all agree on and will pursue. They're not doing it because they're evil (though they are) but because they want to streamline the various economies (national and european) to bring down wages and cut the cost of the social wage (that's health, education etc) and put it on privatised individuals on a for-profit basis in order to compete with the US and SEA. These imperatives come with capital - they cannot be voted away. Workers and users can together refuse to implement or participate in the welfare-regime (or to do so in the way outlined above) and so damage the wider plan - but those plans cannot be voted away.
You can vote out their master.you can vote on job centre advisers!?!
blah blah blah
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
and how different do you think the new master would be?
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
you want to try reading and absorbing some of these posts and actually learn stuff
Taking a guess based on going by past performance "here comes the new boss, same as the old boss".
Then IDS stays in post.
They won't be a tory and they will make some, if small, changes.
Not enough, to be sure. But enough to get rid of the tories and tell them they aren't welcome, including and especially IDS, Webb, Freud, McVey etc.
So you can see the future?
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
what kind of small changes? so small they won't make a difference to claimants? what's the point then?
Like what?
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
do you think labour will make a marked difference to your life and other people suffering under this government/current regime?
Are you asking me or telling me?
Then don't ask stupid leading quetions.
You know very well that labour has at least pledged to get rid fo the Bedroom Tax, for one thing. That's enough.
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
really? that is enough to keep you quiet is it?
so no more rants about the government after may then?
and if the tories scrapped it tomorrow would they be back in your good books?
Who said anything about keeping quiet?
If the ONLY change is that the BT is repealed that is still better than 5 more years of Tory rule during which things will get worse. So right now is as good as it gets and you are arguing in favour of that.
The tories won't scrap it tomorrow the hypothetical question is moot.
I do not believe Labour will be this bad on welfare as the tories. Simple as that.
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
so a belief is all it needs? hoping too much
i'll ask you again, in the hypothetical position of the tories scrapping the BT would they then be ok with you?
And I'll ask you again: are you psychic?
of course not.
So we have to predict what we think will happen. The only certainty is that either labour or the tories win (perhaps as part of a coalition). Pick one. There's no other alternative regarldess of whether or not you vote or how.
Your hypothetical question is moot and I do not support the tories. I've already answered this question when I said that Labour will not be as bad as the tories. You can press your facile question all you like, that's your answer, deal with it.
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
you do know what hypothetical means don't you? especially after using the word
so predicting is ok with you, on the off chance it will be better.
i know you are notoriously difficult to get through to but try it like this then
party A are in power and have a nasty policy
party B says they will get rid of nasty policy when they get power, so you'll vote for them to get rid of nasty policy, job done
party A now say, oh we'll get rid of nasty policy tomorrow, that should do it. will you vote for us now?
A and B are interchangeable and could be any political persuasion
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yeh after your lengthy defence of racism earlier in the year i thought you'd be somewhere to their right.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
you don't have to be psychick to know that that's a load of bullshit. only someone who can't recall the years 1997-2010 would come out with cockrot like that.
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